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When will democrats come forth with who they will run for President in 2024?

I am starting to think it might be if he isn't taken down by the crooked payoffs. I would have never dreamed he could still be in place after the mid-terms when he took office but here he is with the media still covering for him mostly at this point. Maybe if the coming recession is bad enough they pull the plug on him I guess.
 
It's going to be interesting. Surely they're not going with Kamala. Maybe the CA governor. They'd probably like to know who they're facing first. I think Trump is the only one Biden could beat.
 
It's going to be interesting. Surely they're not going with Kamala. Maybe the CA governor. They'd probably like to know who they're facing first. I think Trump is the only one Biden could beat.
If they were smart they'd run Obama's husband.

Michelle might win legitimately.

But I think they're too rich and still calling many of the shots from the cheap seats to want to put up with the grind of the job.
 
If they were smart they'd run Obama's husband.

Michelle might win legitimately.

But I think they're too rich and still calling many of the shots from the cheap seats to want to put up with the grind of the job.
Precisely. The obamas cannot stand being in the same zip code with their smelly voters. That's why it took an Act of Congress to get them to make any appearance for either hildabeast or Pedo Peter.

If michelle runs, an appearance on The View will be about all the campaigning it will do.
 
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Precisely. The obamas cannot stand being in the same zip code with their smelly voters. That's why it took an Act of Congress to get them to make any appearance for either hildabeast or Pedo Peter.

If michelle runs, an appearance on The View will be about all the campaigning it will do.
With the Democrat machine in place, you can campaign from your basement for a few minutes each day and that will be "ENOUGH" to win. Nothing much has changed since 2020 election, except there isn't a clear reason for mail in balloting YET, but give it time.

Well, other than making it "EASIER" for the democrat voters who can not get a ride to the polls or need to be given free food and drinks while waiting in line or do not know how to get an ID card.
 
With the Democrat machine in place, you can campaign from your basement for a few minutes each day and that will be "ENOUGH" to win. Nothing much has changed since 2020 election, except there isn't a clear reason for mail in balloting YET, but give it time.

Well, other than making it "EASIER" for the democrat voters who can not get a ride to the polls or need to be given free food and drinks while waiting in line or do not know how to get an ID card.
I have a sneaking feeling Mike "Hussein" obama is waiting in the wings. He would be formidable...because of SO MANY idiots who vote for personality instead of performance. We have a few of those kind lurking around here.....
 
With the Democrat machine in place, you can campaign from your basement for a few minutes each day and that will be "ENOUGH" to win. Nothing much has changed since 2020 election, except there isn't a clear reason for mail in balloting YET, but give it time.

Well, other than making it "EASIER" for the democrat voters who can not get a ride to the polls or need to be given free food and drinks while waiting in line or do not know how to get an ID card.
Thank goodness we 'just moved on' from ensuring election integrity.
 
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Consider Arizona.

6 out of 7 challenges struck down, one kicked back to a lower court.

What do you do with that?
Revolution? Seriously, there aren't many more options available. The good news? "That's never happened before in history". 😂
 
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Revolution? Seriously, there aren't many more options available. The good news? "That's never happened before in history". 😂
Troubling for me? Fox 5 had the challenger up by 11 the day before the AZ election for govornor. Another poll had the challeger up by 10 a day before the Fox poll. On Election Day, the challenger was never in the game.
 
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Troubling for me? Fox 5 had the challenger up by 11 the day before the AZ election for govornor. Another poll had the challeger up by 10 a day before the Fox poll. On Election Day, the challenger was never in the game.
The Arizona election was complete bullshit. Same thing happened in Arizona in 2020. You can't find election fraud when you refuse to look at the evidence. I don't know what the answer is other than eradicating the fixers by legal means or by "breaking some eggs" to make a legit omelet.
 
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The Arizona election was complete bullshit. Same thing happened in Arizona in 2020. You can't find election fraud when you refuse to look at the evidence. I don't know what the answer is other than eradicating the fixers by legal means or by "breaking some eggs" to make a legit omelet.
Again, while @goldmom and @GatorTheo tell us to 'just move on'. Hobbs just signed over 'election integrity' to Runbeck.

So 'just move on' means Ron DeSantis has zero chance of winning AZ now. Funny how this happens when you don't think through your 'get Orange Man Bad at all costs!' plans.
 
Again, while @goldmom and @GatorTheo tell us to 'just move on'. Hobbs just signed over 'election integrity' to Runbeck.

So 'just move on' means Ron DeSantis has zero chance of winning AZ now. Funny how this happens when you don't think through your 'get Orange Man Bad at all costs!' plans.

I haven't heard how swapping my preference from DeSantis to Trump will guarantee election integrity.

So, what am I moving on from other than one candidate to another?
 
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I haven't heard how swapping my preference from DeSantis to Trump will guarantee election integrity.

So, what am I moving on from other than one candidate to another?
He's just mad because Trump told him to be mad.

If you ask him how he's going to insure election integrity he just mumbles something about a porch.
 
I haven't heard how swapping my preference from DeSantis to Trump will guarantee election integrity.

So, what am I moving on from other than one candidate to another?
It's not about supporting DeSantis or Trump at this point, it's about supporting Kari Lake. Her lawsuit into the 2022 election in AZ is still alive, and just got a big win in the courts this week.

Of course, @goldmom told us we needed to 'just move on' from her and her lawsuit as well. Which means we need to let the dems decide who wins in AZ.

I think we have honestly reached a new low in TDS: Some Trump haters are wiling to kill a state for their candidate, if it means it kills it for Trump as well.
 
It's not about supporting DeSantis or Trump at this point, it's about supporting Kari Lake. Her lawsuit into the 2022 election in AZ is still alive, and just got a big win in the courts this week.

Of course, @goldmom told us we needed to 'just move on' from her and her lawsuit as well. Which means we need to let the dems decide who wins in AZ.

I think we have honestly reached a new low in TDS: Some Trump haters are wiling to kill a state for their candidate, if it means it kills it for Trump as well.

I don't know a ton about Lake other than I like what I've heard from her. She's rather fearless and very charismatic so yes, I support her. The American in me hopes that the election wasn't stolen from her because I'd rather not believe that was possible. However, if it was, I absolutely want her to prove that it was and I want the traitors punished as harshly as the law allows.

All of that is true about me in addition to me having DeSantis as my #1.

I don't recall @goldmom saying that we should move on from Lake but perhaps I missed it. Is it also possible that she just said that Lake’s team must prove the allegations? Honest question...I have no idea.
 
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It's not about supporting DeSantis or Trump at this point, it's about supporting Kari Lake. Her lawsuit into the 2022 election in AZ is still alive, and just got a big win in the courts this week.

Of course, @goldmom told us we needed to 'just move on' from her and her lawsuit as well. Which means we need to let the dems decide who wins in AZ.

I think we have honestly reached a new low in TDS: Some Trump haters are wiling to kill a state for their candidate, if it means it kills it for Trump as well.

And again, I don't see how me preferring DeSantis over Trump means that I don't care about election integrity.

Is it because electing Trump in 2024 would help right the wrongs of a stolen election from 2020? If so, I disagree...also for that to be true, we'd have to prove, beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law, that the election was indeed stolen.

As I've said, I BELIEVE that it was...but I absolutely cannot prove it.
 
I don't know a ton about Lake other than I like what I've heard from her.
Not talking about supporting her as a candidate (although you should if you support America First platform), I'm talking about supporting her legal case against the 2022 election. It was just sent back to the trial court to re-examine one of her claims.

So there's still a lifeline that something can be done about AZ. If we 'just move on', we give up and let Katie Hobbs decides who wins AZ in 2024.

Do you like DeSantis' chances under that scenario?
 
Hurry and get signed up. You want to be high up on the waiting list for Useful Idiots.
A clown school fan calling someone else an idiot? LOLOL someone who is so lazy that she bases her politics on if she likes the person over the job that they do? Ok honey....go back to your safe space w the other dummies! LOLOL Friggin clown school.....
 
And again, I don't see how me preferring DeSantis over Trump means that I don't care about election integrity.
Ok. I don't see why you keep bringing this up as its only an argument in your head LOL

If we all adopt the stance that we can't do anything about securing election integrity until courts tell us that fraud happened, then we all might as well either stop voting, or all become dems so we can be happy our guy/gal wins every time.

Again....covid in 2020 was a dry run. Dems always do a dry run to see how successful a planned tactic will be. If it works, they go full bore.

They found out in 2020 that they can steal an election by manufacturing a crisis then using the fear from that crisis to necessitate a massive change in voter behavior.

And we let them. And the first that tried to push back in the courts were ridiculed as idiots, release the Kraken lololol, and we were told to 'just move on'. Since then we've been told by 'moderates' that until you can show me courts admitting the dems cheated, there's no cheating proven.

That attitude means we can forget ever having secure elections ever again.

I dunno, maybe this is simply about TDS for some of you and you will get your heads on straight about this issue once Trump is out of the political picture. It's truly saddening to see how many of you just throw your hands up and act like there's nothing that can be done while dems literally steal the country from voters.
 
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It's going to be interesting. Surely they're not going with Kamala. Maybe the CA governor. They'd probably like to know who they're facing first. I think Trump is the only one Biden could beat.
He's an idiot and a full on commie. He outlawed the production of gas powered vehicles after 2035 - that's 12 years from now. America will no doubt love him, haha.

BTW, if CA weren't corrupt AF and filled with idiots, he would have been recalled in the last election. His candidacy would be laughable to sane folks ...
 
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A clown school fan calling someone else an idiot? LOLOL someone who is so lazy that she bases her politics on if she likes the person over the job that they do? Ok honey....go back to your safe space w the other dummies! LOLOL Friggin clown school.....
Did you graduate from UF?
 
He's an idiot and a full on commie. He outlawed the production of gas powered vehicles after 2035 - that's 12 years from now. America will no doubt love him, haha.
BTW, if CA weren't corrupt AF and filled with idiots, he would have been recalled in the last election. His candidacy would be laughable to sane folks ...
Are we really sure that recall was a legitimate election? I didn't follow it much but I remember a lot of people calling bullshit on the tally. About half the people in that state are oblivious to reality, another 10% hate America. I feel sorry for their rational normal residents. Half of their income goes to state and federal taxes and a huge hunk goes to living quarters. Being stupid at the voting booth SHOULD be painful.
 
Not talking about supporting her as a candidate (although you should if you support America First platform), I'm talking about supporting her legal case against the 2022 election. It was just sent back to the trial court to re-examine one of her claims.

So there's still a lifeline that something can be done about AZ. If we 'just move on', we give up and let Katie Hobbs decides who wins AZ in 2024.

Do you like DeSantis' chances under that scenario?

I don't see anyone other than Libs saying that we should "just move on" from that. That's what I'm not understanding about your "just move on" comments.

And yes, I support Lake in her case. If the proof is there, I absolutely pray that she finds it.
 
Are we really sure that recall was a legitimate election? I didn't follow it much but I remember a lot of people calling bullshit on the tally. About half the people in that state are oblivious to reality, another 10% hate America. I feel sorry for their rational normal residents. Half of their income goes to state and federal taxes and a huge hunk goes to living quarters. Being stupid at the voting booth SHOULD be painful.
Bingo. We keep saying 'Well those idiots in CA get what they deserve for continuing to vote for the same idiots!', but why are we assuming they DID vote for these same idiots?

I mean, do we think they can figure out how to steal elections in swing states, but not in CA?

I think it's the opposite. They figure out how to rig them in heavily blue states cause it's easier to hide. Then when they have the system down pat, move it to other states.
 
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I don't see anyone other than Libs saying that we should "just move on" from that. That's what I'm not understanding about your "just move on" comments.

And yes, I support Lake in her case. If the proof is there, I absolutely pray that she finds it.
@goldmom and @GatorTheo have both said we need to 'just move on' from Lake and her case. Ask them if you don't believe me. Or do a site search.
 
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@goldmom and @GatorTheo have both said we need to 'just move on' from Lake and her case. Ask them if you don't believe me. Or do a site search.
I think it's absolutely imperative that the election process is scrutinized to see what actually happened and who the players were...........and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. The election results, that ship sailed months ago, but by not uncovering the fraud nothing will change going forward. Throwing hands up in the air and saying, oh well, better luck next time, that dog ain't hunting.
 
Ok. I don't see why you keep bringing this up as its only an argument in your head LOL

Because I don't understand. Maybe I'm stupid? Explain it to me like I'm stupid.

If we all adopt the stance that we can't do anything about securing election integrity until courts tell us that fraud happened, then we all might as well either stop voting, or all become dems so we can be happy our guy/gal wins every time.

OK...so what are our options without the court?

One is legislation to protect the security of our elections. I'm for that. Outside of the Libs on this board, who isn't? So clearly people who support that aren't in the "just move on" camp as you seem to be defining it.

Since then we've been told by 'moderates' that until you can show me courts admitting the dems cheated, there's no cheating proven.

That attitude means we can forget ever having secure elections ever again.

You have two options...well 3 I guess if you include outright revolution but we'll table that for now.

1. The courts
2. Legislation that secures our elections

Outside of those two, you're pissing into the wind. Who here from your "just move on" group, we moderates for example, are against those two things?
 
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