What's the scoop on Callaway and Treon

[oozie7]

That's not the case though. It would be selfish in your scenario if he was 1 of 85, then sure it's selfish. But if 40 others are smoking he's just an average guy. I mean Demarcus Robinson had to check himself into rehab, how many drug tests do you think he failed at UF? It's clearly a decent amount of players on the team doing the same thing and that's been the case for years. So I don't get calling out one guy.

And that's not to condone any of it. I personally don't get it. People that know me off this board know I don't smoke or drink so I can't even relate to players who do or do it so much they have to check into rehab. I just don't think that is an example of being selfish. So many players across the nation smoke weed, that's what all the 'violation of team rules' suspensions are. He's clearly a dumbass for continuing to put himself in sticky situations, but selfish? Probably a reach. Just stick to stupid.

 

[oozie7]

Btw good a good laugh out of Will Bosworth and Treon Marley. LMFAO.

 

[PacoGator19]

Treon isn't a leader and doesn't have the mentality to be a QB either. Forget the lack of skill sets he has but he doesn't have it upstairs either.

 

[93nole99]

I'd almost rather go 8-4 with Jeff Driskel than the season of embarrassment from Will Bosworth and Treon Marley.

Nice.

 

[TennesseeGator]

That's not the case though. It would be selfish in your scenario if he was 1 of 85, then sure it's selfish. But if 40 others are smoking he's just an average guy. I mean Demarcus Robinson had to check himself into rehab, how many drug tests do you think he failed at UF? It's clearly a decent amount of players on the team doing the same thing and that's been the case for years. So I don't get calling out one guy.

And that's not to condone any of it. I personally don't get it. People that know me off this board know I don't smoke or drink so I can't even relate to players who do or do it so much they have to check into rehab. I just don't think that is an example of being selfish. So many players across the nation smoke weed, that's what all the 'violation of team rules' suspensions are. He's clearly a dumbass for continuing to put himself in sticky situations, but selfish? Probably a reach. Just stick to stupid.

That's fair. I just don't like calling young men stupid but sometimes it is what it is. I know from reading other posts in the past that you are a clean health guy. I mentioned DRob in my post. I nearly wanted to mention Tabor but he seems to have cleaned up his act.

In my opinion the NCAA needs to toughen up on the marijuana (and other illegal drugs) so that it is tougher consequences. It's rare in college you hear of PED suspensions and the reason is the tough penalities. All illegal drugs should be the same. I bet less will decide to smoke out while on scholarship.

 

[oozie7]

That's fair. I just don't like calling young men stupid but sometimes it is what it is. I know from reading other posts in the past that you are a clean health guy. I mentioned DRob in my post. I nearly wanted to mention Tabor but he seems to have cleaned up his act.

In my opinion the NCAA needs to toughen up on the marijuana (and other illegal drugs) so that it is tougher consequences. It's rare in college you hear of PED suspensions and the reason is the tough penalities. All illegal drugs should be the same. I bet less will decide to smoke out while on scholarship.

Yes but they won't do anything because it'll kill the cash cow. Especially when you consider at places like LSU they don't even have to suspend until they get 3 failed tests I believe. So guys who get suspended 3-4 times have actually failed north of 10 drug tests.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Yes but they won't do anything because it'll kill the cash cow. Especially when you consider at places like LSU they don't even have to suspend until they get 3 failed tests I believe. So guys who get suspended 3-4 times have actually failed north of 10 drug tests.

Like PED's it needs to be an even playing field via the NCAA. Cash cow or not. I understand the consequences but the potential players will as well. They may lay off the hay.

 

[oozie7]

Like PED's it needs to be an even playing field via the NCAA. Cash cow or not. I understand the consequences but the potential players will as well. They may lay off the hay.

I agree. A LOT of teams would be hurting for that first year or two until people realized that the NCAA won't play with them.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Count me as a guy that thinks pot smoking is not a terrible thing.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Count me as a guy that thinks pot smoking is not a terrible thing.

It's not; however, it's currently a law and breaking it isn't worth the consequences. Believe me, I'd love to have kept Greg Reid, but he couldn't keep his hands off the stuff.

I'm all for legalizing it!

p.s.
BONG supports this post.

 

[mnole03]

It's not; however, it's currently a law and breaking it isn't worth the consequences. Believe me, I'd love to have kept Greg Reid, but he couldn't keep his hands off the stuff.

I'm all for legalizing it!

p.s.
BONG supports this post.

The minimum drinking age is also a law. The problem is that the NCAA can't have standards based enforcement. If they did, no school would punish their players. This really is a situation where a standard would be better. Something along the lines of not participating in activities that pose a reasonable risk of harm to the person or others.

 

[46885]

Driskel at least tried to be a leader by keeping himself off illegal drugs and sleeping around with shady women. Off the field he did everything he was suppose to. He just didn't have it between the ears on the field. No need to put Driskel in the same class with a selfish player such as Treon.

I never said anything about driskel being a bad kid, I was comparing their on the field cancers.

 

[46885]

That's not the case though. It would be selfish in your scenario if he was 1 of 85, then sure it's selfish. But if 40 others are smoking he's just an average guy. I mean Demarcus Robinson had to check himself into rehab, how many drug tests do you think he failed at UF? It's clearly a decent amount of players on the team doing the same thing and that's been the case for years. So I don't get calling out one guy.

And that's not to condone any of it. I personally don't get it. People that know me off this board know I don't smoke or drink so I can't even relate to players who do or do it so much they have to check into rehab. I just don't think that is an example of being selfish. So many players across the nation smoke weed, that's what all the 'violation of team rules' suspensions are. He's clearly a dumbass for continuing to put himself in sticky situations, but selfish? Probably a reach. Just stick to stupid.

he went to rehab for smoking pine? plz God no

 

[TennesseeGator]

he went to rehab for smoking pine? plz God no

I believe it was alcoholism but I could be wrong.

 

[46885]

it better have been that

 

[Buddy Green]

In my opinion the NCAA needs to toughen up on the marijuana (and other illegal drugs) so that it is tougher consequences. It's rare in college you hear of PED suspensions and the reason is the tough penalities. All illegal drugs should be the same. I bet less will decide to smoke out while on scholarship.

You are confusing NCAA-administered tests with school-administered tests. If a player tests positive for marijuana or any "street drug" in an NCAA-administered test, its one half year suspension on the first test, one year on the second. The issues is, schools administer most of the drug tests and the NCAA can't tell the schools what the penalty has to be. That's why you have some schools where a few failed tests get you booted, and others where nothing much happens.

Each NCAA member school is responsible for determining whether to establish an institutional drug-testing program, at which time the school would be responsible for determining applicable penalties. If a testing program is established, though, the school is obligated to enforce the penalties. Failure to do so can lead to NCAA sanctions.

http://www.ncaa.org/health-and-safety/policy/frequently-asked-questions-about-drug-testing

The reason you never here of failed PED tests is a)schools aren't testing for them and b)the schools generally know when the NCAA test is coming and the S&C staff alert the players. The NCAA mostly tests at tournaments, so if you are a team or athlete going to a pre or post season tournament, you already know when to lay/cycle off what you are using.

 

[93nole99]

. This really is a situation where a standard would be better. Something along the lines of not participating in activities that pose a reasonable risk of harm to the person or others.

So...ban football?

 

[mnole03]

So...ban football?

Well played.

 

[oozie7]

Yea Numbers Robinson was in for alcoholism and some other kinda addiction.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

I never said anything about driskel being a bad kid, I was comparing their on the field cancers.

Someone alert the Surgeon General!

 

[93nole99]

In my opinion the NCAA needs to toughen up on the marijuana (and other illegal drugs) so that it is tougher consequences. It's rare in college you hear of PED suspensions and the reason is the tough penalities. All illegal drugs should be the same. I bet less will decide to smoke out while on scholarship.

You do understand there are two levels of testing? The NCAA does its own, and the schools may do so as well. If a player tests positive for "street drugs" which includes canabanoids (marijuana) on an NCAA administered test, the player is automatically inelligible for 50% of the season for any sport they are participating. Fail a second test they are out for a year.

If a school administers their own tests, the school is required to set their own standards and punishments. Basically the school/conference standards for pot are different and more lenient than the NCAA. If schools were required to enforce the NCAA standard, the punishment is pretty damned harsh.

 

[invisiblegator]

In my opinion the NCAA needs to toughen up on the marijuana (and other illegal drugs) so that it is tougher consequences. It's rare in college you hear of PED suspensions and the reason is the tough penalities. All illegal drugs should be the same. I bet less will decide to smoke out while on scholarship.

Toughening up on Marijuana would be going in the exact opposite direction that everything else is going with marijuana. No one should be punished for smoking some pot, unless they are high on the job. Whats the reasoning behind making the punishment more severe? What happens when its legalized in the next decade (which it will be)? Should we continue punishing these kids severely for something that is legal? Is the league going to try to say that the kids are getting an edge by smoking pot because it acts as a vasodilator? This is such a ridiculous statement, especially with how peoples feelings are trending toward marijuana.

 

[TennesseeGator]

Toughening up on Marijuana would be going in the exact opposite direction that everything else is going with marijuana. No one should be punished for smoking some pot, unless they are high on the job. Whats the reasoning behind making the punishment more severe? What happens when its legalized in the next decade (which it will be)? Should we continue punishing these kids severely for something that is legal? Is the league going to try to say that the kids are getting an edge by smoking pot because it acts as a vasodilator? This is such a ridiculous statement, especially with how peoples feelings are trending toward marijuana.

Smoke one up then Smokey.

Half the PED's are legal in all 50 States but yet are illegal in the NCAA.
I'm sick of hearing every year of "suspended due to team violations" it is embarrassing especially when it's your QB.

 

[BillWesJay]

or some big accusation that is being vetted.

Understand that there is *no* Gainesville or University law enforcement investigation going on. That lowers the incident seriousness quite a bit.

I disagree from a historical perspective.

 

[93nole99]

Smoke one up then Smokey.

Half the PED's are legal in all 50 States but yet are illegal in the NCAA.
I'm sick of hearing every year of "suspended due to team violations" it is embarrassing especially when it's your QB.

Do you consider Pot a "PED" ?

 

[instaGATOR]

Do you consider Pot a "PED" ?

I've heard it's sometimes called the 'Hippy Viagra',,,, so maybe?

 

[TennesseeGator]

Do you consider Pot a "PED" ?

No, not really. You and others explained the difference between school administered drug test vs NCAA drug test. My fault on that.

Won't get into the debate of if marijuana is or is not harmful. Right now it is illegal in most states as well as the NCAA (plus all pro leagues ) so in my opinion it should have the same suspension sentences. I guess it does if the NCAA is the one who catches you vs the school.

 

[Gator22222]

The fact that the police have not filed charges and are not investigating does not mean that a crime did not happen. In order for the police to get involved a complaint has to be filed. In other words, someone has to press charges.

In light of what has happened recently to women that have filed charges against a football player for sexual assault, if an alleged sexual assault involving an athlete did occur the victim might not be willing to step forward publicly. Even though victims names are generally not published in the newspapers, recent history has shown us that the name will appear on the internet within days. It is not uncommon for alleged victims to end up being harassed and having to leave school.

Therefore, if a crime of this nature were committed and it involved students at the University of Florida, the alleged victim may choose not to press criminal charges and instead take the case to the student conduct committee. Sexual assault is a violation of the student conduct code as referenced in section 4.041 subsection 4(b).

http://regulations.ufl.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/4041.pdf

This course of action would offer a very important advantage to the alleged victim.

The records would not be public and would not be subject to public records requests. In addition, school officials (including coaches) would not be able to comment on the case in any way form or fashion. If for instance, a football player were to be accused of a crime and brought before the student conduct committee, Coach McElwain would not be allowed to say anything other than the player is not practicing and no comment. This privacy would greatly increase the chances of an alleged victim remaining anonymous to the public and therefore free from harassment.

When a student is brought before the student conduct committee the Dean of Students must determine if the accused should be suspended and barred from campus during the investigation and hearings. According to the student conduct code section 6C1-4.044 subsection (1), a student would be suspended if they are deemed to pose a serious physical threat to himself or others or if a suspension is necessary to protect the health, safety, welfare or property of a student or members of the public.

http://regulations.ufl.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/4044.pdf

If a student were accused of a serious offense that could result in expulsion then they would be wise to retain an attorney to represent them during the proceedings.

All we know is that no charges have been filed, no school officials are commenting, the players are still enrolled but not on campus, Callaway has an attorney and that attorney has told us that Callaway has been brought before the student conduct committee.

Given this information it seems likely that the two players were not suspended by McElwain, they were suspended by the Dean of Students. The Dean would not suspend them for grades, failed drug tests or breaking team rules. A suspension would only happen if they were seen as a threat to the welfare or physical safety of a student, students or the general public. I think they have been accused of something very serious.

 

[46885]

so the victim made and account and speaks, did Calloway hit it?

 

[46885]

if this were bama they would both receive plaques for being 24 year old freshmen and keep moving along with SEC honors the next week. Im not buying anything that goes on for other schools or paying mind to that shit until bama starts participating with the rest of the world for their bullshit cheating that leads to wins.


Finebaum said it right, the NCAA is as useless and pathetically disorganized lost as they have ever been, they are barney fyffe's. The schools that have ALWAYS traditionally been on probation after a few years of winning off and on like clockwork are building dynasties from finally getting away with it, Ole Miss noticed and even they are a part of it now making history in all aspects and even beating bama at their own game literally and their worst opponent on the field. It's a disgrace, Bama was taking roids and deer antler spray nonsense while getting to play LSU again when they never had any right to do so or be in that game to begin with. ONLY alabama could do ALL this and not win their conference, nor division and get shooed in for the title game and get everyone to gain 20 pounds of muscle in their two months off and then get the trophy. That program is a travesty to anything that is considered right and justice in this country and I was there when we weren't even good and saw it all, we were given so many illegal things along with spending money and food money while they were giving us food to begin with with the money in envelopes with two full pizzas and 4 full sub sandwiches "sponsored" by schlotzky's for us. Along with clothes and more per diem than allowed and God only knows if i kept going you would shriek. Of course our team I was on finally got put on probation and had wins taken away for a season and a half without anyone knowing for not winning enough and as a reason to eat their own and chunk shula out of there. I can't even fathom what they are doing and getting away with now with all the money they have racked up from boosters and winning title after title, they've built all new things and facilities ive never even seen before after we already had the best money could buy. They are the epitome of cheaters and unjustified law breakers in this game of college football programs. And yet, of ALL the things that happen on a daily basis to EVERY OTHER program especially ours like a joke of our 130 lb qb winning too much and getting booted for "some type of creatine use" they have guys the size of elephants literally and freshmen that look 40 and are older than our Juniors and best players and not one eye is blinked and it will never stop.. If you bring it up you are just simply hating. Their fans are just as bad as those cheaters they are awful humans scum of the planet. They don't even know any other way or know they are even being this way is the worst part.


please some random bama fan/booster come in and defend this shit. I dare you

 

[bradleygator]

The fact that the police have not filed charges and are not investigating does not mean that a crime did not happen. In order for the police to get involved a complaint has to be filed. In other words, someone has to press charges.

In light of what has happened recently to women that have filed charges against a football player for sexual assault, if an alleged sexual assault involving an athlete did occur the victim might not be willing to step forward publicly. Even though victims names are generally not published in the newspapers, recent history has shown us that the name will appear on the internet within days. It is not uncommon for alleged victims to end up being harassed and having to leave school.

Therefore, if a crime of this nature were committed and it involved students at the University of Florida, the alleged victim may choose not to press criminal charges and instead take the case to the student conduct committee. Sexual assault is a violation of the student conduct code as referenced in section 4.041 subsection 4(b).

http://regulations.ufl.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/4041.pdf

This course of action would offer a very important advantage to the alleged victim.

The records would not be public and would not be subject to public records requests. In addition, school officials (including coaches) would not be able to comment on the case in any way form or fashion. If for instance, a football player were to be accused of a crime and brought before the student conduct committee, Coach McElwain would not be allowed to say anything other than the player is not practicing and no comment. This privacy would greatly increase the chances of an alleged victim remaining anonymous to the public and therefore free from harassment.

When a student is brought before the student conduct committee the Dean of Students must determine if the accused should be suspended and barred from campus during the investigation and hearings. According to the student conduct code section 6C1-4.044 subsection (1), a student would be suspended if they are deemed to pose a serious physical threat to himself or others or if a suspension is necessary to protect the health, safety, welfare or property of a student or members of the public.

http://regulations.ufl.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/4044.pdf

If a student were accused of a serious offense that could result in expulsion then they would be wise to retain an attorney to represent them during the proceedings.

All we know is that no charges have been filed, no school officials are commenting, the players are still enrolled but not on campus, Callaway has an attorney and that attorney has told us that Callaway has been brought before the student conduct committee.

Given this information it seems likely that the two players were not suspended by McElwain, they were suspended by the Dean of Students. The Dean would not suspend them for grades, failed drug tests or breaking team rules. A suspension would only happen if they were seen as a threat to the welfare or physical safety of a student, students or the general public. I think they have been accused of something very serious.

Yeah, this is pretty much what I'm afraid of.

 

[instaGATOR]

IF SO ---- This would be the #2 sexual assault for Treon, and his 3rd disciplinary problem overall, and so imoho, he should at least be OUTTA-HERE! (if not in jail)

This would also be the 2nd time that he has 'led' other team members into trouble.
So Double-Up on that OUTTA-HERE!

Of course, that's a pretty big IF, so we all have to wait for an outcome to occur.
And the eventual outcomes on what should be done are JMOHO's.... (but jus-damn!)

~ Didn't anyone on the team think to warn Callaway about hanging out with Treon?

 

[oozie7]

The Student Cunduct Committee...aka the Kangaroo Court where law is completely disregarded. Seems legit.

 

[oozie7]

IF SO ---- This would be the #2 sexual assault for Treon, and his 3rd disciplinary problem overall, and so imoho, he should at least be OUTTA-HERE! (in not in jail)

This would also be the 2nd time that he has 'led' other team members into trouble.
So Double-Up on that OUTTA-HERE!

Of course, that's a pretty big IF, so we all have to wait for an outcome to occur.
And the eventual outcomes on what should be done are JMOHO's.... (but jus-damn!)

~ Didn't anyone on the team think to warn Callaway about hanging out with Treon?

Pretty sure Treon banged this guys wife or daughter. You're obsessed.

 

[instaGATOR]

Pretty sure like always, you're just FoS...

(and maybe hoping that he will invite you along on his next date-nite out...)

 

[instaGATOR]

The Student Cunduct Committee...aka the Kangaroo Court where law is completely disregarded. Seems legit.

This sounds like someone who would like to hide behind 'the letter of the law' instead of being held accountable by finding justice for the victim/s. (BTW, OJ agrees with you, not me)

So yeah, let's put the totally unbiased ooozzziee in charge of telling us all who is right and who wasn't raped.... (to bad it wasn't your butt that was getting abused)...

And tell us, are you his father, or maybe his mother?

PS -- You're obsessed with my opinions, and/or with proving that TH is actually 'Mother Theresa' in drag....

 

[instaGATOR]

QB/WR Treon Harris Jr - Miami - Booker T. Washington - strike 3

WR Antonio Callaway So - Miami - Booker T. Washington - strike 1
(I guess Ant would have probably ignored any warnings after all)
============

But there is nothing wrong with Miami in general.

LB Cristian Garcia rsJr - Miami - Belen Jesuit Prep

K Eddie Giles rsSo - Miami - Sunset

RB Jordan Cronkrite So - Miami - Westminster Christian

DE Keivonnis Davis So - Miami - Miami Central

LB Rayshad Jackson rsFr - Miami - Miami Norland

Make of that information, what you will.....

(is ooozzzie or his dad the Principle at Booker T, it would explain much if so)

 

[Gator22222]

IF SO ---- This would be the #2 sexual assault for Treon, and his 3rd disciplinary problem overall, and so imoho, he should at least be OUTTA-HERE! (if not in jail)

This would also be the 2nd time that he has 'led' other team members into trouble.
So Double-Up on that OUTTA-HERE!

Of course, that's a pretty big IF, so we all have to wait for an outcome to occur.
And the eventual outcomes on what should be done are JMOHO's.... (but jus-damn!)

~ Didn't anyone on the team think to warn Callaway about hanging out with Treon?

I live in Gainesville and the details of this case are pretty much general knowledge around here. There are enough athletes, other students, athletic department employees, etc. that know the details. It's impossible to keep that many people quiet. The information was disseminated in town before it hit the papers. If you went anywhere near campus it was widely being talked about in January.

There is one story that everyone "knows", but the details change depending on who you talk to.

If the stories are true, and I believe they are, then Callaway is going to regain his good status after the investigation and hearings are completed. There's no telling how long that process will take. UF wants to make sure they do things the right way.

Harris not so much.

 

[MJWilliamson]

I live in Gainesville and the details of this case are pretty much general knowledge around here. There are enough athletes, other students, athletic department employees, etc. that know the details. It's impossible to keep that many people quiet. The information was disseminated in town before it hit the papers. If you went anywhere near campus it was widely being talked about in January.

There is one story that everyone "knows", but the details change depending on who you talk to.

If the stories are true, and I believe they are, then Callaway is going to regain his good status after the investigation and hearings are completed. There's no telling how long that process will take. UF wants to make sure they do things the right way.

Harris not so much.

This is exactly what I have been hearing too.

 

[instaGATOR]

And it's pretty much what I've been hoping for.

Personal Responsibility - If you want to dance, then you've got to pay the fiddler.

Let the guilty pay their due - Let the innocent walk - And everything is as it should be....
(color, race, religion, economic status, culture, up-bringing, etc, should not come into it)
An individual's CHOICES make them who they are, nothing else.

I certainly don't hate TH, I just believe that by his own actions, he has worn out his welcome as a Gator. (maybe the Retch could turn him around at the U, and if not, at least he'd fit in there)

To let the guilty slide (whoever they are) without being held accountable for their own actions, is an incredibly traitorous dis-service to the victim. --- As always, JMOHO's.