What if Muschamp's offense next year is better than Mcelwain's?

[instaGATOR]

You're right, but their 3 consecutive 2 win seasons was impressive.

Yeah, I already knew who was right and who was INCORRECT, yet again.

But if 1D E.Mich impressed you, then this info should really WoW you!

ND, as usual, plays at least half of their schedule against LOSER teams.
Texas 4-5, 5-7 (and the horns still beat over-rated choke-la-homa)
VA 3-5, 4-8 -- Won by a single TD
GaTech 1-7, 3-9 -- Won by 8 pts
U-Mass 2-6, 3-9
WF 1-7, 3-9
BC 0-8, 3-9 -- ND only won by a FG (19-16) at home.

Not just LOSER opponents, but 4 of their opponents had only 3 wins.
The neutered lame went 4-2 against the 6 teams with at least a winning record.
Plus they duck (chickenchit) out of ever having to play a Conference Championship game.
Then they beat mighty Temple by 4 freakin' pts...

Now, wanna tell me some more about having E.Mich on our schedule?

 

[LizardGrad89]

You've been wrong on so many issues in fields of knowledge where you know next nothing (like trying to tell JDGator about antitrust law until he pounded you into the ground) that maybe one day you'll quit while you're ahead.

Oozie has more credibility on this issue then you ever will.

Ok, so , I should just never have an opinion then?

How about you eat a big pile of STFU.

PS: I never accepted JD's answer, still think he was wrong, but got tired of fighting it. After all, if he isn't an antitrust lawyer, he knows about 2% more about it than any professional. Oh yes, I understand lawyers. Not one of you is half as smart as you think you are.

As for Oozie, he has an axe to grind, and is blind to the reality that we (OMB say it isnt so) OVERACHIEVED this year. Im done with him too. Talking to a wall.

 

[LizardGrad89]

Yeah, I already knew who was right and who was INCORRECT, yet again.

But if 1D E.Mich impressed you, then this info should really WoW you!

ND, as usual, plays at least half of their schedule against LOSER teams.
Texas 4-5, 5-7 (and the horns still beat over-rated choke-la-homa)
VA 3-5, 4-8 -- Won by a single TD
GaTech 1-7, 3-9 -- Won by 8 pts
U-Mass 2-6, 3-9
WF 1-7, 3-9
BC 0-8, 3-9 -- ND only won by a FG (19-16) at home.

Not just LOSER opponents, but 4 of their opponents had only 3 wins.
The neutered lame went 4-2 against the 6 teams with at least a winning record.
Plus they duck (chickenchit) out of ever having to play a Conference Championship game.
Then they beat mighty Temple by 4 freakin' pts...

Now, wanna tell me some more about having E.Mich on our schedule?

Ignore him inst. Some people (read: haters) think if Florida's 12-game schedule consisted of only top-15 teams, then we chickened out of playing 3 of the top 15.

 

[gatorpe55]

Ignore him inst. Some people (read: haters) think if Florida's 12-game schedule consisted of only top-15 teams, then we chickened out of playing 3 of the top 15.

Exactly.......when I when I hear we run from the scUM do they think that playing UGA LSU FSU UT each year with Aub and Ala Ark Ole Miss MSU rotating is anything as weak as 99% of other college teams......halfazzU and UM need us WAY more than we need them on the schedules........have you looked at their stadiums against their conf rivals......pathetic. When they play UF they get a full house (in the UM case over half the fans).

 

[gatorpe55]

I just read page 3. The big picture is we won games we could not win previously. Grier is gone so anything about him his moot. Mac is a fckn genius. He did things with a very incomplete team. Imagine him with a team stocked with players. When he had a QB in there that could see the field and hit open WRs the play calling was damned good. When the OL is solid you will see a MUCH improved team. When the offense can score you will see even better Def play (if you can imagine that ). This was a year of offensive frustration. You have to play the cards you are dealt. Mac gets to deal now. I am excited about the future with this guy. We all should be.

 

[Ghost of Spaceheater]

Ok, so , I should just never have an opinion then?

How about you eat a big pile of STFU.

PS: I never accepted JD's answer, still think he was wrong, but got tired of fighting it. After all, if he isn't an antitrust lawyer, he knows about 2% more about it than any professional. Oh yes, I understand lawyers. Not one of you is half as smart as you think you are.

As for Oozie, he has an axe to grind, and is blind to the reality that we (OMB say it isnt so) OVERACHIEVED this year. Im done with him too. Talking to a wall.

AWWWW. I fink I hurt his widdle feelings. Is he going to hide behind momma while he sucks his thumb and clutches her skirt?

"They're all wrong and out to get me! It's a VAST CONSPIRACY I tell you! LISTEN TO ME. I'M RIGHT. I'M RIGHT. I YELL THE LOUDEST. SO I'M RIGHT."

How's that working out for you Slim?

 

[Ghost of Spaceheater]

I just read page 3. The big picture is we won games we could not win previously. Grier is gone so anything about him his moot. Mac is a fckn genius. He did things with a very incomplete team. Imagine him with a team stocked with players. When he had a QB in there that could see the field and hit open WRs the play calling was damned good. When the OL is solid you will see a MUCH improved team. When the offense can score you will see even better Def play (if you can imagine that ). This was a year of offensive frustration. You have to play the cards you are dealt. Mac gets to deal now. I am excited about the future with this guy. We all should be.

Lordy.

We won this season for the very same reason we won in 2012 and didn't win in 2014.

LOTS OF TURNOVERS.

Amazing what people think they see.

Cross your fingers and hope we have good quarterback play next year or it's going to be a long season.

Because eventually over a period of years, turnovers even themselves out to about a 50% rate. You get half of them and you lose half of them. You cannot predict which way the oblong ball will bounce. A lot of it is just chance.

 

[Michi-Gator]

So nice to have Ghost back

 

[oozie7]

Ok, so , I should just never have an opinion then?

How about you eat a big pile of STFU.

PS: I never accepted JD's answer, still think he was wrong, but got tired of fighting it. After all, if he isn't an antitrust lawyer, he knows about 2% more about it than any professional. Oh yes, I understand lawyers. Not one of you is half as smart as you think you are.

As for Oozie, he has an axe to grind, and is blind to the reality that we (OMB say it isnt so) OVERACHIEVED this year. Im done with him too. Talking to a wall.

LOL@ me having an axe to grind. Right. Posting facts that doesn't jive with the uninformed fan mob on here means I have an axe to grind. But people like you who ignore reality and blame all our offensive struggles on one position despite evidence to the contrary are what? Informed?

Here's another tip genius. Because we overachieved relative to fan expectations does not mean we didn't fail in particular areas, the two aren't mutually exclusive. We overachieved in 12' too but there were clearly glaring issues on the team, just like this year. And you guys ignored the issues then too and shouted down anybody who dare questioned it as 'spoiled' with an axe to grind. Fast forward to13' and we're 4-8 and you're all surprised at how we could possibly be there. Why? Because you ignored all the glaring issues because we squeaked by a bunch of bad teams and posted a fraudulent 10 wins, just like you're doing now. We're a few very timely bounced from being 6-6 or 5-7, we're much closer to that record than the 10-2 we posted. But hey we overachieved! Bottom line is Mac was brought in here to fix the offense, and even in the games Grier started (who is the best pure passer we've had here since Leak) his offense was in the bottom half of the country in most statistical categories and worse than Muschamp's dumpster fire of an offense. Sorry you can't deal with that reality. "Oh but we passed more and it LOOKED different." Cool. Your issues is you can't put anything into context. I can point out everything I've just pointed out and ultimately still think Mac is gonna get it done. Doesn't mean I have to ignore reality in the meantime to give him praise for what he hasn't accomplished yet. Which is fix the offense like he was brought here to do.

 

[BringBackBonner]

Lordy.

We won this season for the very same reason we won in 2012 and didn't win in 2014.

LOTS OF TURNOVERS.

Amazing what people think they see.

Cross your fingers and hope we have good quarterback play next year or it's going to be a long season.

Because eventually over a period of years, turnovers even themselves out to about a 50% rate. You get half of them and you lose half of them. You cannot predict which way the oblong ball will bounce. A lot of it is just chance.

I had this exact conversation with TampaGator. We did in fact just witness a season that bears striking resemblance to 2012 with multiple tight (some would say lucky) wins built largely on turnover margin, a dominant defense with a bunch of future NFL players left by the last guy, and a meager offense. Because of these similarities, I remain will remain very cautiously optimistic about Mac until we see him get some systemic improvements on O, consistency on D as Muschamp's guys leave, and especially an uptick in recruiting, which remains average at best considering the circumstances.

 

[oozie7]

I had this exact conversation with TampaGator. We did in fact just witness a season that bears striking resemblance to 2012 with multiple tight (some would say lucky) wins built largely on turnover margin, a dominant defense with a bunch of future NFL players left by the last guy, and a meager offense. Because of these similarities, I remain will remain very cautiously optimistic about Mac until we see him get some systemic improvements on O, consistency on D as Muschamp's guys leave, and especially an uptick in recruiting, which remains average at best considering the circumstances.

Everyone who doesn't want to ignore reality realizes the striking resemblance between the two seasons. And we actually beat more quality teams in 12'. Now I think Mac is a MUCH better coach than Muschamp, at least in terms of putting a program together. But when you put the whole of everything in context, this season is eerily similar to Muschamp's 12' season. But be careful, some might accuse you of having an axe to grind.

 

[MJWilliamson]

I had this exact conversation with TampaGator. We did in fact just witness a season that bears striking resemblance to 2012 with multiple tight (some would say lucky) wins built largely on turnover margin, a dominant defense with a bunch of future NFL players left by the last guy, and a meager offense. Because of these similarities, I remain will remain very cautiously optimistic about Mac until we see him get some systemic improvements on O, consistency on D as Muschamp's guys leave, and especially an uptick in recruiting, which remains average at best considering the circumstances.

There ARE a lot of similarities between the performance this year and the one in 2012; anemic offense, strong defense and a big turnover margin in our favor.

The difference? When Muschamp was questioned about the need to improve his anemic offense, he famously said that was the way these Gators were going to win games. That was his model. He was going to run this kind of offense no matter what.

By contrast, when McElwain is questioned about his offense, he remains dissatisfied with the way it is working. He seems to know that area of his team needs a lot of improvement.

The question on the table is can McElwain improve the offense? Where Muschamp saw no need to open things up, McElwain knows his team cannot be one dimensional. But he seems to know that it is going to take a much better QB than Harris to do it. This coaching staff could not get Harris to improve. Whether that is on Harris or on the coaching staff remains to be seen.

I get where Ghost and oozie are coming from when they insist that this offense this year was not appreciably better than the one last year. Some overall stats certainly prove that out. Some of them are misleading, imo. But whether one agrees with that or not, I think the biggest difference is philosophy.

For example, in 2012, the Muschamp offense threw the ball 91 times on first down, or 25% of the time. With the results of 1 TD, 2 ints, a QBR of 113 and an average per completion of 9 yds. That is pretty bad.

In 2015, the McE offense threw the ball 157 times on first down, or 42% of the time. With results of 9 TDs and 2 ints, a QBR of 139 and an average per completion of 12.8 yards.

Anyone with a brain can see the difference. It is a big difference.

But again, I agree with Ghost and oozie that unless we develop a good QB for next year, then the overall results will not be any better than this year, and maybe worse.

All that said, I am so damn glad Muschamp is no longer our coach and that McE is our coach. I like the guy a lot better. He is more mature, seemingly more intelligent and seems to be a great recruiter.

 

[oozie7]

MJ what you're referencing is aesthetics. Mac's offense is more aesthetically pleasing, performance wise it isn't much different from Muschamp's though (yet). I don't get too caught up with how often we do or don't throw on 1st anyway because both styles can be effective. It's HOW you run, not really how often or when. Meyer had offenses that ran at almost a 70% clip and I'm sure everyone would take those offenses now.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Meyer's offenses in 2008 and 2009 were closer to a 62% clip at running, but I get your point. And while aesthetics are certainly part of it, philosophy is also a part of it.

 

[46885]

Has Mcelwain failed anywhere he's been yet?

While the offense and team could have reminded you of 2012, it's not a coincidence.. After all you were still watching Muschamps team in the first year. Ive seen what Mac has done with years of examples at other places, and it's been pretty good. Im not gonna sweat the offensive side of the ball until I see a real reason too. Ive posted more than a few times why it's almost impossible for a staff to get something out of a QB like treon.

 

[PacoGator19]

Yes this season was very much like 2012 but as MJ pointed out in 2012 Muschamp thought everything was just fine. McElwain has clearly said he isn't happy with some things.

I also don't think you can just compare one season vs another. That's not really a fair comparison for any coach.

Why aren't you comparing Muschamp's first season to McElwain's first season? There is actually a decent chance that next year the UF team looks a little better to the "eye" but has a worse record than this past year. Every coach gets at least 3 years. After Muschamps 3rd year we knew he was very bad. He got a 4th year to confirm how bad we already knew he was. 3 of Muschamp's 4 years were not good here at UF.

I don't know why anybody is comparing the 2 coaches at the moment at all to be honest. McElwain has also proved himself a little bit at another school.

Numbers brought up another good point as well. Has McElwain been a failure anywhere yet?

 

[Michi-Gator]

The guy was handed an unathletic offense with no OL. Our best playmaker was a true frosh. Champ DESTROYED the offensive roster. DRob was the best playmaker inherited and he can't stay eligible. We had one legitimate RB. A bunch of slow, stiff WR.

I think while the comparison is valid, this is obviously going in a completely different direction than Chump wanted to take it.

In his last two seasons, post-Quinn and post-Meyers 2010 class, what was Chump's record???

 

[ClutchlikeOBJ]

I guarantee you Muschamp will not have a better offense or defense than ours... He does not have the players for that... only reason they have been relevant was spurrier and that is the only reason..