Wouldn't that be embarrassing? It would definitely take the shine off his halo. I'm curious what offensive standards will be used to measure Mac's success next year and beyond. Another year of riding the coattails of the defense won't cut it. I know what I want before I'll truly be sold on Mac. I want our offense to be able to put up 50 points on teams. Regularly. And not just against the cupcakes either. It should be routine for a QB to pass for 300+ yards, not a career highlight. And it should be normal to be able to pull your starts any time after the half against teams like FAU and send in the 2nd stringers for mop up duty. To me, then and only then will the order be restored.
What if Muschamp's offense next year is better than Mcelwain's?
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Who cares if we are winning and competing for the SEC title? What is SCjr has better offensive numbers but they win 5 games and we win 9? Would you want to trade then?
Clearly you know nothing about college football. Moreover, who does this in 2015, let alone in the SEC?
A. Chump will never have anything more than a bad Big 10 offense.
B. If you want 50 a game you might want to jump on a Big 12 bandwagon.
C. Did you happen to see our offense against Ole Miss before Grier was suspended?
I saved you the time Zoni. Out of 128 D1 football teams exactly 0 (zero) average 49 or 50 points per game.
Only 14 of the 128 D1 football teams averaged in the 40's. That is 11%.
Only 1 SEC team is averaging 40-pts or above (Mississippi). The rest are 35-pts or below.
Only 14 of the 128 D1 football teams averaged in the 40's. That is 11%.
Only 1 SEC team is averaging 40-pts or above (Mississippi). The rest are 35-pts or below.
50 points a game? No. You have to remember that they changed the rules to shorten the game. Shorter game = fewer plays = fewer points.
As for second stringers, it would be nice, and would help with recruiting. We rotate at Dline and that's pretty much it.
Let's be straight up on this. We don't have a championship squad, and it's more than needing a QB, kicker and a couple OL. Muschamp is trying to take some credit for this year, but in reality, he gets none. Florida is the easiest school to recruit to in the country. Any idiot can bring some stars here. It's getting real depth that's the challenge. We have sufficient depth in one area: Dline. Every other area, if we lose a guy or two, the dropoff is noticeable. And it was noticeable. We were very lucky the first half of the year, almost no injuries. Then we started having hurt guys. Did it show? Kinda think so, yeah. So let's see what Mac can do a couple years down the road. Can he really stock this roster and keep it stocked, the way Bama does? That's how you win titles.
Comparing UF offense to anyone's this year or next is unfair. DO you really not know what a dumpster fire Muschamp left? It takes time to build a strong Oline. It takes time to train up a QB. It takes time for the QB and WR's to develop a rapport. Mac WILL get that done. We should start seeing some real progress toward the end of next year, and I expect 2017 to be a very strong campaign offensively. But if you think he is going to take what is still on this roster, add in some TRUE FRESHMEN, and suddenly have a great offense, think again.
LMAO@ 50 a game. Do they do that anywhere but the Big 12 where they play no defense? Glad to see your standards are realistic.
That said. There's a legit possibility the offense takes a step back next year. We will either be starting an ex walkon who couldn't hack it at two schools or a true freshman. There will be growing pains.
That said. There's a legit possibility the offense takes a step back next year. We will either be starting an ex walkon who couldn't hack it at two schools or a true freshman. There will be growing pains.
One thing I'll agree with OP on though is A LOT of people have given Mac a pass for this years offense. Even with Grier our results were significantly worse than last year. And yes he was left a dumpster fire but he was brought in here to improve the offense, it didn't happen.
What? No love for Harris?
He wants to switch positions, it's making the rounds. His dad wanted to play DB in college and is apparently encouraging him to make the switch.
The only thing that's embarrassing about this thread is the Gator part of your sig. Otherwise, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I don't see how the offense could take a step back. How do you take a step back from one score every 15 drives?
Virtually impossible for this offense to regress next season. It may stay the course, but can't possibly be worse than what it looked like with Treon this year! Simply not realistic.
You guys say that and yet even with Grier the offense was worse than last year. We were able to throw a little bit better but that's about it, see numbers below.
5 Starts with Grier:
PPG: 26.4
YPG: 340.4
Passing YPG: 218.4
Rushing YPG: 122
YPC: 3.38
3rd down %: 33%
2014 under Champ:
PPG: 30.2
YPG: 367.6
Passing YPG: 179.9
Rushing YPG: 187.7
YPC: 4.4
3rd down %: 36%
Next year we lose the best players currently on offense...Taylor & McGee. We will likely also lose Robinson who while an idiot was our most talented receiver. Oh and can't forget about Trip Thurman who was our best o-lineman and another starter in Halter. The o-line is going to be shaky again. And we're going to stick either a true freshman QB or a journeyman transfer QB behind it and ask them to win games. And you guys don't think it's possible for the offense to be worse?
5 Starts with Grier:
PPG: 26.4
YPG: 340.4
Passing YPG: 218.4
Rushing YPG: 122
YPC: 3.38
3rd down %: 33%
2014 under Champ:
PPG: 30.2
YPG: 367.6
Passing YPG: 179.9
Rushing YPG: 187.7
YPC: 4.4
3rd down %: 36%
Next year we lose the best players currently on offense...Taylor & McGee. We will likely also lose Robinson who while an idiot was our most talented receiver. Oh and can't forget about Trip Thurman who was our best o-lineman and another starter in Halter. The o-line is going to be shaky again. And we're going to stick either a true freshman QB or a journeyman transfer QB behind it and ask them to win games. And you guys don't think it's possible for the offense to be worse?
We will not be as good of a team next year. But I think our 2017 team has a chance to be very good
Mac > Kiffin as a HC but Kiffin is legit as an OC. If he wasn't such a clown he'd probably already have another HC gig by now. He's one of the few OC's I've seen who calls a TD before the play raising his arms and all and it happens. Remind me of when Spurrier used to do it
How much games we win next year will depend on how strong the defense is. We should be a better team in a lot of areas but it may not be reflected in the win-loss record. You just don't win big with a QB situation like the one we have. Even if Grier comes back he will not have taken a live snap in almost a year, how sharp is he gonna be? And I can't imagine the coaches will give him too many reps in practice since they know he won't be playing. They're gonna need to give as many reps to the freshmen or Del Rio as possible to get them ready. So we're probably still gonna struggle if Grier comes back game 7 and starts.
I'd guess 9-3 or 8-4. People might think that's bad but the reality is we're much closer to 6-6 than the 10-2 we finished. So it might actually be a legit improvement if some areas get cleaned up. Almost lost to ECU, bad UK and Mizzou teams, FAU, Vandy, etc.
How much games we win next year will depend on how strong the defense is. We should be a better team in a lot of areas but it may not be reflected in the win-loss record. You just don't win big with a QB situation like the one we have. Even if Grier comes back he will not have taken a live snap in almost a year, how sharp is he gonna be? And I can't imagine the coaches will give him too many reps in practice since they know he won't be playing. They're gonna need to give as many reps to the freshmen or Del Rio as possible to get them ready. So we're probably still gonna struggle if Grier comes back game 7 and starts.
I'd guess 9-3 or 8-4. People might think that's bad but the reality is we're much closer to 6-6 than the 10-2 we finished. So it might actually be a legit improvement if some areas get cleaned up. Almost lost to ECU, bad UK and Mizzou teams, FAU, Vandy, etc.
The OP question is like asking a gentleman who is about to have intercourse with a Victoria's Secret Model, "What if Caitlin Jenner's reconstructed lady parts feel better than the model's?"
This argument does not pass the eye test. At least, the eye test when Grier was in the line up.
Other than the eye test, another reason the argument is stupid comparing the Muschamp offense last year and the McE offense this year is the following two facts; Muschamp was in the fourth year of his offense. McE was in his first.
That makes a difference
That makes a difference
For Comparison:
Harris 2015 - 11 Gms, 8 Starts
P - 111 of 214, 51.9% for 1,530 yds, 7.1 yd/att, 9 TD's, 5 Ints, (1.8 to 1)
R - 85 for 382 yds, 2.2 ypc, 0 TD's.
Grier 2015 - 6 Gms, 5 Starts
P - 106 of 161, 65.8% for 1,204 yds, 7.5 yds/att, 10 TD's, 3 Ints, (3.3 to 1)
R - 36 for 179 yds, 3.2 ypc, 2 TD's.
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QB-PP Feleipe' Franks 6-6 219
3 Year HS Career:
P - 337 of 592, 56.6% for 6.635 yds, 11.2 yds/att, 79 TD's, 16 Ints (4.9 to 1)
R - 59 for 696, 11.8 ypc, 8 TD's.
1-B QB-PP Kyle Trask 6-6 218 -- His 3 star rating is due to playing time, not talent level.
3 Year HS Career:
P - 114 of 156 73.1% for 1,735 yds, 11.1 yds/att, 17 TD's, ZERO Ints (17 to 0)
R - 10 for 22 yds, 2.2 ypc, 2 TD's.
~ Franks appears to be the stronger runner. (11.8 ypc to 2.2 ypc)
~ Trask appears to be the more accurate passer. (73.1% to 56.6%)
But either can get the job done, depending on the opponent.
Harris 2015 - 11 Gms, 8 Starts
P - 111 of 214, 51.9% for 1,530 yds, 7.1 yd/att, 9 TD's, 5 Ints, (1.8 to 1)
R - 85 for 382 yds, 2.2 ypc, 0 TD's.
Grier 2015 - 6 Gms, 5 Starts
P - 106 of 161, 65.8% for 1,204 yds, 7.5 yds/att, 10 TD's, 3 Ints, (3.3 to 1)
R - 36 for 179 yds, 3.2 ypc, 2 TD's.
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QB-PP Feleipe' Franks 6-6 219
3 Year HS Career:
P - 337 of 592, 56.6% for 6.635 yds, 11.2 yds/att, 79 TD's, 16 Ints (4.9 to 1)
R - 59 for 696, 11.8 ypc, 8 TD's.
1-B QB-PP Kyle Trask 6-6 218 -- His 3 star rating is due to playing time, not talent level.
3 Year HS Career:
P - 114 of 156 73.1% for 1,735 yds, 11.1 yds/att, 17 TD's, ZERO Ints (17 to 0)
R - 10 for 22 yds, 2.2 ypc, 2 TD's.
~ Franks appears to be the stronger runner. (11.8 ypc to 2.2 ypc)
~ Trask appears to be the more accurate passer. (73.1% to 56.6%)
But either can get the job done, depending on the opponent.
For Comparison:
Harris 2015 - 11 Gms, 8 Starts
P - 111 of 214, 51.9% for 1,530 yds, 7.1 yd/att, 9 TD's, 5 Ints, (1.8 to 1)
R - 85 for 382 yds, 2.2 ypc, 0 TD's.
Grier 2015 - 6 Gms, 5 Starts
P - 106 of 161, 65.8% for 1,204 yds, 7.5 yds/att, 10 TD's, 3 Ints, (3.3 to 1)
R - 36 for 179 yds, 3.2 ypc, 2 TD's.
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QB-PP Feleipe' Franks 6-6 219
3 Year HS Career:
P - 337 of 592, 56.6% for 6.635 yds, 11.2 yds/att, 79 TD's, 16 Ints (4.9 to 1)
R - 59 for 696, 11.8 ypc, 8 TD's.
1-B QB-PP Kyle Trask 6-6 218 -- His 3 star rating is due to playing time, not talent level.
3 Year HS Career:
P - 114 of 156 73.1% for 1,735 yds, 11.1 yds/att, 17 TD's, ZERO Ints (17 to 0)
R - 10 for 22 yds, 2.2 ypc, 2 TD's.
~ Franks appears to be the stronger runner. (11.8 ypc to 2.2 ypc)
~ Trask appears to be the more accurate passer. (73.1% to 56.6%)
But either can get the job done, depending on the opponent.
Why are you comparing Treon and Grier again? Some of your are obssessed and insist on twisting the argument when it doesn't fit your narratives. No one is making the argument than Treon is better than Grier, though you people insist on drawing the comparison. The comparison was between Muschamp's offense and Mac's offense. And even with Grier Mac's offense is worse almost across the board. No amount of fact twisting and cherry picked stats can change that.
This isn't a valid argument. We were in year 1 of Roper's offense with a ton of players completely ill-suited for that system. We are in Year 1 with a new system under Mac with player's completely ill-suited for his offense also. The situations are exactly analogous.
There is nothing from the 'eye test' that indicates the offense was better. We actually underperformed against the opponent's season average more times than not. See below. Those are the games Grier started and even against bad defenses we still were held in check.
ECU: Give up 409 ypg (we got 373)
UK: Give up 394.2 (we got 245)
UT: Give up 370.4 (we got 392)
Ole Miss: Give up 387.5 (we got 355)
Mizzou: Give up 302 (we got 337)
60% of those games we performed below the defenses average, with ECU and UK being the most glaring examples of suckage.
What you are speaking to with the 'eye test' is the fact that we actually tried on offense. We used different formations, we tried to set up plays, and there was actually logic behind what we were trying to do. But in terms of results, it was still bad. People just glossed over it because they were on a high over simple things like passing on 1st down. We did the bare minimum things competent offenses SHOULD do, TRY. That doesn't mean they were effective or good and there is nothing that points to that other than how people 'feel' the offense performed. The yardage, the points, or any other metric you want to judge the offense don't lie.
So it doesn't matter that we lost almost the entire offensive line from the year before? Is that a cherry picked stat as well?
What will it mean? It will mean we still have Nuss as an OC, Treon as a starter, and it will mean Chump has decided to let his OC do his job and is staying the hell away from it entirely.
Of course it matters. Who argued otherwise? Part of the reason the offense performed the way it does is because of the trash heap Muschamp left behind here. Thats not the point however...a lot of you are completely glossing over the incompetence of the offense and using one guy as the popular punching bag while ignoring that the offense has been incompetent all year. For being an offensive guy, there was no improvement from game 1-12. We had exactly TWO good offensive games. The cupcake we played to start the year and Ole Miss. Every other game we stunk. But that doesn't fit the narrative that we were the 99' Rams until Treon showed up and then everything went to hell.
I don't recall even Muschamp getting this much a pass in year 1, and he was alternating true freshmen QB's. Now everyone glosses over the offense with '10 wins bro!' as if what we are doing is sustainable.
And I fully expect us to take a step back on offense next year also, and IMO it won't be a reflection on Mac. He's working with what he's got, which ain't much. Year 3 we should take a big jump. But in the meantime, we don't need to praise the offense for what we 'feel' they're doing. Let them earn it, and we haven't yet this season at any point.
oozie quit, he looks like Spurrier, talks like Spurrier and likes the same QBs as Spurrier. In some 'eyes' he will pass all eye tests. Is what it is
yea but even in those games Grier made throws and plays that Treon just simply can't and it helped us to win the games. Like the throws over the middle to our TE's and WR's, the one he threw on first down inside our own 10 at UK to Callaway that he snagged one handed is a type of play that is flat out impossible to see with treon as our QB. As is the strike he threw to Callaway to beat UT on 4th down, actually all those 4th down throws he held the pocket long enough and stuck his foot in the ground and threw darts. Not to mention all the great throws he was making against Ole Miss. Hell in that last drive before the half that started inside our own 5 he had as many completions, TD's and stats as Treon did the entire bama game. That's hilariously awful
If Chump's offense is better, and it won't be, it proves a point. Those were Spurrier's guys and Mac has Muschamp's guys. Nuff said.
That would be even more of an indictment of the offense though. Grier is the best QB we've had since Tebow and the best pure passer we've had since Leak, and yet even with him the offense wasn't up to par.
It wasn't expected to be, but it sure as hell gave us a much better chance to win than with a guy that had already had more experience. We had a freshmen giving us the best chance to win every game behind our defense over a guy that had already played a good bit a year before him and somehow got worse. and the reason for that is simple, with what Grier was dealt he knew how to do the simple things like getting his team up to the line and snapping it in time, or without letting the defense tee off and know what play we were running... or not just looking at his first read and throwing it away while running sideways to the sideline immediately. I read somewhere yesterday Treon was up there in the nation or SEC with passes NOT to a receiver by not coming close or throwing it away. Some odd stat like that. Grier whether the stats show it, we can all see we were much better with him just from simple things like command of the huddle and we don't know for sure the longer the season went how the offense would have progressed or stayed the same with him, especially with the OL. We were throwing first to try to open up the run with him, with treon we were basically doing the same nonsense as last year because you can't do anything else with him.
