ADVERTISEMENT

What’s This?!?!? Coronavirus cases escalating and stock market down for second straight day...

https://www.healingwithouthurting.c...cQiyX_dtOdN7j_qVJc-o4QDlNc48r9vp4pk0TWjy2bMF8
Masks are Ineffective and Risky, So Stop Calling Us Selfish



In Epidemics 2017, a meta-analysis concluded that masks had a non-significant protective effect. In the Annuals of Internal Medicine, April 2020, “neither surgical nor cotton masks effectively filtered SARS-CoV-2 during coughs by affected people.”



According to a University of New South Wales, the widespread use of masks by healthcare workers may put them at increased risk of respiratory illness and viral infections, and their global use should be discouraged.



In the British Medical Journal 2015, “Over three times, the risk of contracting influenza-like illness if a cloth mask is used versus no mask at all.” Contaminated masks and masks holding moisture and pathogen retention can increase the risk of infection.



A 2016 study in the Journal of Exposure Science & Environmental Epidemiology found 97% of particles penetrated cloth masks, and 44% of particles penetrated medical masks. They reported that cloth masks are only marginally beneficial in protecting individuals from particles less than 2.5 micrometers. As referenced in the New England Journal of Medicine, the size of Coronavirus particles varied between 0.06 micrometers and 0.14 micrometers.



Cloth and surgical masks do not have a fit test. When worn, gaps around the edges allow small particles to enter the respiratory system. Also, according to the May 2010 edition of PLoS One, lack of eye protection was a primary risk factor of SARS-CoV transmission.


You do understand that the quoted article is not by a certified medical doctor, but a psychotherapist that utilizes defunct 5 yr. old data and articles that are mostly ( though one was already completely redacted) comparing use of N95 surgical masks to cotton medical masks. She then surmises ( without any data) that people will reuse cotton masks w/o disinfection, and also jumps to the conclusion that you will somehow automatically begin to touch your face more often. At least she doesn't bring up Ghost's imaginary evil CO2 boogyman..
 
She then surmises ( without any data) that people will reuse cotton masks w/o disinfection, and also jumps to the conclusion that you will somehow automatically begin to touch your face more often.

Maybe you have a point on the rest of your post but get real....the above stuff is exactly what is occurring. We all see it every day.

And who the F can find disinfectant?
 
Whatever side of the political spectrum you fall on, you’ve got to acknowledge that Ghost is one of the most unlucky (and worst at Gotcha game) posters EVER...

Every time he posts about the economy going well or Coronavirus being a hoax he winds up with egg on his face...

sumbitch was hootin’ it up on here only three days ago about the certainty of economic recovery and sadgator wearing a MAGA hat...and OF COURSE things turn to complete shit and sadgator has to work 10 more years...

Mutha F-ER needs to stop it! sadgator cant afford his “celebrating America” anymore!!!!
 
You do understand that the quoted article is not by a certified medical doctor, but a psychotherapist that utilizes defunct 5 yr. old data and articles that are mostly ( though one was already completely redacted) comparing use of N95 surgical masks to cotton medical masks. She then surmises ( without any data) that people will reuse cotton masks w/o disinfection, and also jumps to the conclusion that you will somehow automatically begin to touch your face more often. At least she doesn't bring up Ghost's imaginary evil CO2 boogyman..

Cloth masks have at best a 25% - 28% effectiveness (particle arrestance) for the particle distribution size of merit with respect to Covid-19.... assuming if it fits well. The quoted 3% effectiveness is probably loose fitting masks

The 44% is probably correct for non’N95 medical masks

And medical doctors generally wouldn’t know much about filtration either - that’s actually in the engineering realm..... and is within one of my core competencies as I design environmental systems for surgery suites, clinical negative pressure rooms, food processing and industrial clean rooms
 
Whatever side of the political spectrum you fall on, you’ve got to acknowledge that Ghost is one of the most unlucky (and worst at Gotcha game) posters EVER...

Every time he posts about the economy going well or Coronavirus being a hoax he winds up with egg on his face...

sumbitch was hootin’ it up on here only three days ago about the certainty of economic recovery and sadgator wearing a MAGA hat...and OF COURSE things turn to complete shit and sadgator has to work 10 more years...

Mutha F-ER needs to stop it! sadgator cant afford his “celebrating America” anymore!!!!

Debating the economy based on daily results is a fools errand. I've always assumed it was a troll and an attempt at humor based on sarcasm. I hope that is the case.

We have some bankruptcy issues staring us in the face but it appears to me that we will overcome them and I believe that the economy will continue to strengthen once we get to the other side of all of this chaos. That assumes that we don't have some other catastrophic incident and that Covid-19 doesn't somehow worsen through a new strain that none of us are immune to.
 
Cloth masks have at best a 25% - 28% effectiveness (particle arrestance) for the particle distribution size of merit with respect to Covid-19.... assuming if it fits well. The quoted 3% effectiveness is probably loose fitting masks

The 44% is probably correct for non’N95 medical masks

And medical doctors generally wouldn’t know much about filtration either - that’s actually in the engineering realm..... and is within one of my core competencies as I design environmental systems for surgery suites, clinical negative pressure rooms, food processing and industrial clean rooms

^^^dude is a smart Cat

...but I can drink him under the table.





Actually that's a lie. He would probably still be sober as I passed away from alcohol poisoning.
 
Reaching for anything to discredit the president instead of looking for anything positive (which far outweighs his curtness or other businessman tactics that you dislike).

Ha just casting around for anything like doubling the public debt in the last month. Just grasping at straws over here. I am relieved though that BamaFan has analyzed the “bankruptcy issue” and thinks we’ll be ok.
 
Ha just casting around for anything like doubling the public debt in the last month.

So you don't want money to be printed...or you just want that printed money to go to other people? You are so FOS.

I am relieved though that BamaFan has analyzed the “bankruptcy issue” and thinks we’ll be ok.

I am certainly not an expert. But I do employ one and this was his advice to me on Monday. I've trusted this guy for almost 20 years and listening to him has paid off for me.
 
Debating the economy based on daily results is a fools errand...
Totally agree! But watch Ghost, the next time the market climbs like 17 points from its current position, he will be immediately jumping sadgator’s shit for not posting a “celebration” thread within 10 minutes of the market opening....(this is despite the fact that sadgator is on record like 100 times on this forum saying he favors market gains regardless of what or who causes them)...so his framing is a complete and total lie...

and we are the delusional sheep...
 
  • Like
Reactions: BamaFan1137
Totally agree! But watch Ghost, the next time the market climbs like 17 points from its current position, he will be immediately jumping sadgator’s shit for not posting a “celebration” thread within 10 minutes of the market opening....(this is despite the fact that sadgator is on record like 100 times on this forum saying he favors market gains regardless of what or who causes them)...so his framing is a complete and total lie...

and we are the delusional sheep...

I'm so sorry this is happening to you. If only there was a (simple) way to get Ghost off your back about never posting about good economic news for this country and only posting about the bad...

Ah well...
 
Cloth masks have at best a 25% - 28% effectiveness (particle arrestance) for the particle distribution size of merit with respect to Covid-19.... assuming if it fits well. The quoted 3% effectiveness is probably loose fitting masks

The 44% is probably correct for non’N95 medical masks

And medical doctors generally wouldn’t know much about filtration either - that’s actually in the engineering realm..... and is within one of my core competencies as I design environmental systems for surgery suites, clinical negative pressure rooms, food processing and industrial clean rooms

I would not disagree with that. I will also gladly wear a mask in public for 20% effectiveness as it's better than nothing. I'm hearing that IF we get a rushed vaccine at all, they'd expect 40 -50 % effective. But coupled with a mask you get up to a fairly comfortable range. The annual flu vaccine is generally in the 70% range.
 
Sad and Bradley

I have finally seen the light and would like to apologize to you both by buying you one way tickets to Seattle and an Uber ride to the People’s city or whatever is the city within the city. I will also pay double for all your guns before you leave!


Surely this land of Trump haters and no police has to be Nirvana for you both !
 
Last edited:
sadgator loves law enforcement...God love them...#bluelivesmatter...

not so simple, is it?

Choices. Trump hater/ America Lover. Sad and most traditional Dems 25%
Trump hater/ America Hater far left AOC best example 30%
Trump Lover/America Lover Maga 35%
Ignorant do not give a shit. 9%
Chinese spies. 1%
 
You're a good guy sad. We can disagree and even have a lively debate but I hope you realize that I respect you.


...despite how overwhelmingly wrongheaded you might be. :D
I hate to admit this, but I also enjoy disagreeing with @sadgator on the sports board more than here. Doesn't happen often, but I take every chance I can get.:p
 
More deaths from Malaria and three times as many alcohol related deaths than Covid19 so why do we not keep everyone in the tropics indoors all the time and put distilleries in the same situation as churches and allow no one in. Biden has it right, hide your ass in a basement and have your wife spray for mosquitos and make sure your tv is on a network you can understand, like Nickelodeon or Cartoon. Maybe babysit for one of Hunter’s children.
 
  • Like
Reactions: nail1988
Hmmmm. Wall Street doesn’t seem to share your optimistic viewpoint on the virus. You guys familiar with the term lock limit down?
Wall Street my @SS!
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/ellie...is-no-new-spike-in-coronavirus-cases-n2570543
Addressing concerns about the dramatic drop in the stock market this week, director of the United States Economic Council Larry Kudlow said that, despite concern on Wall Street, there was no rising second wave of COVID-19.


Reports of increased hospitalizations in various parts of the country have popped up this week, leading some to believe that a throttling in the stock market was due to fear of another economic shutdown. Kudlow put those fears to rest, saying that the market's fall was likely due to a combination of needless worry and opportunistic trading by some after a dramatic increase in numbers due to a recovering economy.

"I’m not the health expert, but on the so-called spike, I spoke to our health experts at some length last evening," Kudlow said during a Friday morning appearance on Fox News. "They’re saying there is no second spike. Let me repeat that: there is no second spike."

"There is no emergency, there is no second wave," Kudlow said. "I don't know where that got started on Wall Street."
 
sad: Grrrrrrrr...that Ghost pisses me off when he says I hate America cause I never celebrate good news for the country!

bradley: Well you could always start celebrating good news for the country.

sad: Well I'm not THAT pissed...
 
  • Like
Reactions: nail1988
I must be living a charmed life here in a smallish rural N.FL community.

I haven't noticed much of a change in anything important since the start of the Red Chinese Kung Flu fiasco began, or as it's ending. Only missed a few sit down meals out.

I haven't noticed any change at all since the 20+ year career criminal died while in custody for committing the felony of passing counterfeit money and set off a George Soras funded riot and looting spree by ANTIFA & BLM and their punk gang cohorts.

==========

And I also haven't noticed any change in my local area, since the peaceful citizens began their legal protests to question the possible excessive force used by what appears to be a bad cop. An unbiased jury will look at all of the factual evidence (hopefully) and make a just decision with an appropriate penalty, that will be enforced by legitimate authority. Or there will be a finding of a lesser crime or a ruling of innocence of charges. The process will work itself out with all watching closely.
As will all good citizens, I will then abide by the juries decisions.
 
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT