Ukraine Russian War

[FresnoGator]

Don't put words in my mouth Fresno. Your trying to change the subject to deflect the point.

But to answer your question, yes, there are things Biden did that where embarrassing. That doesn't change the current point. I disagree with both sides when I see them do wrong, and that is what happened here.

I'm not changing the point. I'm simply pointing out contextually your level of embarrassment over Trump Vance is disingenuous for anyone who lived in a country run by the biggest moron ever to hold the office.

And Biden wasn't just stupid, he was incompetent, corrupt, evil, and racist long before he was senile.

I am simply pointing this out in order to frame your opinion in the appropriate light ...

 

[Gator Fever]

The funny thing to me is that you guys don't ever see the big picture. The way we have been doing things the past 30 years the US has done phenomenally well. We are the richest, strongest country in the world with the way we have been handling foreign policy.

And for some reason you guys want to change it. Its like the football national champion suddenly deciding it needs a coaching change. There is only one way for us to go.

Yep that insane amount of money spent and all the lives lost/life altering injuries really made sense in Iraq didn't it. Pushing Russia to roll into eastern Ukraine was a smart move also I guess. I mean we were told by Biden administration flunkies this would be the first war won by social media. It's working out about as good as the nation/democracy building operation in Iraq did.

 

[Illegal-shift]

I'm not changing the point. I'm simply pointing out contextually your level of embarrassment over Trump Vance is disingenuous for anyone who lived in a country run by the biggest moron ever to hold the office.

And Biden wasn't just stupid, he was incompetent, corrupt, evil, and racist long before he was senile.

I am simply pointing this out in order to frame your opinion in the appropriate light ...

Nothin disingenuous at all. Lets watch what unfolds in the next year or two and we can revisit this. "Embarrassing" is going to look like a very generous take as time goes on.

And your way overboard on Biden. I am sure we agree on some stuff, but your assessment is over the top.

 

[instaGATOR]

Don't put words in my mouth Fresno. Your trying to change the subject to deflect the point.

But to answer your question, yes, there are things Biden did that where embarrassing. That doesn't change the current point. I disagree with both sides when I see them do wrong, and that is what happened here.

How about you tell us all about the Great, or even the good things that the Biden Cabal did (Joe was not really in charge) while he was the Quid Pro Quo VP, or as the ghost President?

 

[Illegal-shift]

I'm not changing the point. I'm simply pointing out contextually your level of embarrassment over Trump Vance is disingenuous for anyone who lived in a country run by the biggest moron ever to hold the office.

And Biden wasn't just stupid, he was incompetent, corrupt, evil, and racist long before he was senile.

I am simply pointing this out in order to frame your opinion in the appropriate light ...

One more point I neglected to mention on the Ukraine/Russia discussion.

You accuse the US of not honoring a verbal statement make some 35 years ago to a prior Russian regime.

And yet you ignore the numerous times Putin has violated ceasefires with Ukraine and any number of other agreements over the years. He is absolutely a known liar and can't be trusted as far as you can kick him.

Of course Trump trusts him......birds of a feather.

 

[FresnoGator]

Nothin disingenuous at all. Lets watch what unfolds in the next year or two and we can revisit this. "Embarrassing" is going to look like a very generous take as time goes on.

And your way overboard on Biden. I am sure we agree on some stuff, but your assessment is over the top.

Have to disagree with you here, if anything, I'm understating how bad he was and for how long he was incredibly bad.

He finished in his law school class #76/85 and went to Syracuse, a very mediocre law school.

He served in public office for 50 years or more and accomplished virtually nothing (this is my lone opinion here, but it can be backed up with facts)

He's also renowned for being extremely cheap, as a US senator making well into six figures over a 10 years stretch in the 2010s, he averaged a yearly donation to charity of $369. Google it if you don't believe me.

He was corrupt AF as both VP and president. And paraphrasing Obama here, who said never leave anything to Biden. He is sure to fvck it up.

And then he became senile and was even worse.

Nothing about my assessment is untrue or over the top ...

 

[Capt Ron 1]

The funny thing to me is that you guys don't ever see the big picture. The way we have been doing things the past 30 years the US has done phenomenally well. We are the richest, strongest country in the world with the way we have been handling foreign policy.

And for some reason you guys want to change it. Its like the football national champion suddenly deciding it needs a coaching change. There is only one way for us to go.

So you want to run the wishbone? Sorry....we are OUT

 

[Capt Ron 1]

BTW, welcome to the chaos that is Donald Trump. I think folks forgot how wild things where the first term......and they are going to get much, much worse this time for a lot of reasons.

God help us all.......I hope America can survive this.

LOLOLOLOL /America survived the idiot that could not complete a sentence..that was NOT running the Country, son. You libs REMEMBER this...America will be JUST fine, despite all of your attempts to ruin it with things like open borders, and men allowed in womens bathrooms.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Nothin disingenuous at all. Lets watch what unfolds in the next year or two and we can revisit this. "Embarrassing" is going to look like a very generous take as time goes on.

And your way overboard on Biden. I am sure we agree on some stuff, but your assessment is over the top.

Maybe this exact post belongs in the "The walls are closing in on Trump" thread?? LOLOLOL Unless you have some Nostradamus bloodline going on...I would just stop on trying to predict anything as ridiculous as EVERY point you have ever tried to make is......

 

[Capt Ron 1]

One more point I neglected to mention on the Ukraine/Russia discussion.

You accuse the US of not honoring a verbal statement make some 35 years ago to a prior Russian regime.

And yet you ignore the numerous times Putin has violated ceasefires with Ukraine and any number of other agreements over the years. He is absolutely a known liar and can't be trusted as far as you can kick him.

Of course Trump trusts him......birds of a feather.

One....Two.....Three....RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA!!! LOLOLOL

 

[NavigatorII]

One more point I neglected to mention on the Ukraine/Russia discussion.

You accuse the US of not honoring a verbal statement make some 35 years ago to a prior Russian regime.

And yet you ignore the numerous times Putin has violated ceasefires with Ukraine and any number of other agreements over the years. He is absolutely a known liar and can't be trusted as far as you can kick him.

Of course Trump trusts him......birds of a feather.

And Biden wasn't just stupid, he was incompetent, corrupt, evil, and racist long before he was senile.

Repeating this, and explaining it to you like a 5 year old. Biden is, was, and will always be a piece of shit, and a kiddy diddler to boot. He's only in 2nd place to the Clinton's in terms of grift. Biden was a lifelong teet sucker at the taxpayer coffers for 50 years. The entire Biden family was internationally corrupt and didn't even try to hide it, although the Deep State and media tried their best. Biden rubbed elbows with the best of the racists in congress in his early years. Didn't want "those animals" on his streets.
"Joe Biden in a 1993 speech warned of “predators on our streets” who were “beyond the pale” and said they must be cordoned off from the rest of society." CNN

Biden was so bad even the Democrats said no thanks twice to presidential runs, not counting 2024.

Biden and his brother sold access to our government overseas. When that wasn't enough, he made his son a bagman in Ukraine. Then he had a Ukraine prosecutor investigating Burisma fired and later bragged about it. His own son code names him Pedo Pete, Mr 10%.


You really can't make this shit up. 😂

 

[Gator Fever]

Maybe if Ukraine was less naive they wouldn't have given up their best deterrent in 1994. Those nukes could have easily been put under their operational control.

 

[instaGATOR]

Sorry, but I never tire of seeing reality in action, over BS opinions....

 

[instaGATOR]

Now, compare the above to this...

 

[Illegal-shift]

Have to disagree with you here, if anything, I'm understating how bad he was and for how long he was incredibly bad.

He finished in his law school class #76/85 and went to Syracuse, a very mediocre law school.

He served in public office for 50 years or more and accomplished virtually nothing (this is my lone opinion here, but it can be backed up with facts)

He's also renowned for being extremely cheap, as a US senator making well into six figures over a 10 years stretch in the 2010s, he averaged a yearly donation to charity of $369. Google it if you don't believe me.

He was corrupt AF as both VP and president. And paraphrasing Obama here, who said never leave anything to Biden. He is sure to fvck it up.

And then he became senile and was even worse.

Nothing about my assessment is untrue or over the top ...

OK. This is just opinion and I have no problem with you expressing yours this way. I am not a Biden fan, just not as critical as you. We have better things to disagree on (-;

 

[FresnoGator]

OK. This is just opinion and I have no problem with you expressing yours this way. I am not a Biden fan, just not as critical as you. We have better things to disagree on (-;

Yes, opinions backed up by facts, haha ...

 

[Illegal-shift]

Yes, opinions backed up by facts, haha ...

Backed up by some facts and some opinions........just to be accurate.

 

[nail1988]

What’s this ?

 

[NavigatorII]

Sorry, but I never tire of seeing reality in action, over BS opinions....

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We've never seen this before! 😂 I knew when I posted, you'd be leading up the charge from the rear. lol

 

[NavigatorII]

Yes, opinions backed up by facts, haha ...

You should go back and quote me, this clown has me on ignore. Then he'll have to read it.😂

 

[Gator Fever]

What’s this ?

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I doubt we get hardly any money back in reality since most of the economically viable lithium etc is in that Donbass area but anything to get this war stopped so we stop spending all that money over there would be a good thing.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

I doubt we get hardly any money back in reality since most of the economically viable lithium etc is in that Donbass area but anything to get this war stopped so we stop spending all that money over there would be a good thing.

I think you need to look at this closer...there are MANY valuable precious metals there.

 

[instaGATOR]

We've never seen this before! 😂 I knew when I posted, you'd be leading up the charge from the rear. lol

And old thread had me posting that Q-P-Q of Biden on every page for what, 100+ pages? (maybe a slight exaggeration)

I've been a leader (evaluated by a professional as a 'lightening rod') longer that you've been alive I'm betting.... 😉

And notice that the illegalshit never responds to me...

 

[NavigatorII]

I doubt we get hardly any money back in reality since most of the economically viable lithium etc is in that Donbass area but anything to get this war stopped so we stop spending all that money over there would be a good thing.

Sometimes the most complicated equation has the simplest solution. Cut Ukraine off, and we can trade directly with Russia for rare earth products after they've completely run Little Z Man out of the country.

 

[NavigatorII]

And old thread had me posting that Q-P-Q of Biden on every page for what, 100+ pages? (maybe a slight exaggeration)

I've been a leader (evaluated by a professional as a 'lightening rod') long that you've been alive I'm betting.... 😉

And notice that the illegalshit never responds to me...

He has about 75% of this board on ignore because you know..........ignorance is bliss. 😂

 

[instaGATOR]

Sometimes the most complicated equation has the simplest solution. Cut Ukraine off, and we can trade directly with Russia for rare earth products after they've completely run Little Z Man out of the country.

Leave the Royalty criminals in Euorpe to fend for themselves, we should be concentrating on uniting all of the Americas, as I've posted here long ago.

RioSol SAC LLC and Compania Minera Rio Sol SAC (“RioSol” or “The Company”) on Dec. 30, 2014 announced a significant rare earth element and poly-metallic claim discovery in Peru, with reports indicating the 10-kilometer claim as among the largest rare earth claims in Peru containing both light rare earth elements (LREEs) and heavy rare earth elements and metals (HREEs).

Significant Rare Earth Element Claim Discovery in Peru Reported | Geology Page

RioSol SAC LLC and Compania Minera Rio Sol SAC ("RioSol" or "The Company") on Dec. 30, 2014 announced a significant rare earth element and poly-me

www.geologypage.com

 

[nail1988]

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Sometimes the most complicated equation has the simplest solution. Cut Ukraine off, and we can trade directly with Russia for rare earth products after they've completely run Little Z Man out of the country.

Would not shock me to hear Trump announce somethin to that effect tonight.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

Since Friday

Trump kicked Z in the b@lls and Europe got a kick in the butt.

To paraphrase Uncle Walter "And that's the way it is" :

Polish PM: 500 Eu asking 300M Americans to protect them from 140M Rus.

EU to make and send 2M 155m howitzer shells to Ukraine in 2025.

Turkey the 2n largest military in NATO: Is onboard with sending Turkish Peacekeepers to Ukraine.

Uk, France onboard with troops to Ukraine.

Germany's Merz: Possibly sending the Taurus missile to Ukraine : range 500KM.
Merz: "...We must never confuse aggressor and victim in this terrible war..."

Sweden sending PBV 302 APCs to Ukraine with 5B euros and possibly their Gripen jet fighters

Denmark is donating 40, CV 90 IFVs to Ukraine: Valued @ 2.2B euros.

UKs plan for peace : 1.) Keep aid flowing and sanction on Russia 2.) Ukraine at the talks 3.) After peace continue to arm Ukraine to make it stronger, 4.) Peacekeeping troops in Ukraine to prevent Putin from restarting war later.

UK to give Ukraine 2.2B out of the interest from seized Russian assets and 5K missiles to be made in Belfast.

Starmer: "Our starting point must be to put Ukraine in the strongest possible position now...any deal must be backed by strength"

G7 : 50B loan to rebuild. Repayment to come from 300B frozen Russian assets.

UK Conservatives MP Badenoch: " aggressors should not win."
UK SNP MP Flynn: "we are united"
Farage questions mineral deal: UK PM "mineral deal is not enough on its own"

Turkey Erdogan: "...Crimea should be fully Ukraine's and the necessary steps should be taken to achieve this."

Van Der Leyden : 800B euros to be spent on rearming Europe and to help Ukraine

Canada : sending 5B from frozen Russian assets and military vehicles.

Europe has put up half the money @ about .2% total Euro GDP. To replace US funding they will collectively need to increase funding to .4% GDP. Easily doable.

Will they use it to buy US weapons?

Trump basically told them to quit being slackers. If all of this comes about it looks like they listened. What is funny is that they are all pissed but without Trump kicking over the hornets nest we are nowhere near seeing any kind of action from Europe.

Mama has quit buying gas for junior's car and now junior is getting a job. Mama likes having junior at home. He helps around the house and mam bosses him around. Junior resents having to get a job and being bossed around. He will save his money and move out. Mama will be left sad and alone.

Still early in the game.
Lets see how it plays out.

 

[NavigatorII]

Since Friday

Trump kicked Z in the b@lls and Europe got a kick in the butt.

To paraphrase Uncle Walter "And that's the way it is" :

Polish PM: 500 Eu asking 300M Americans to protect them from 140M Rus.

EU to make and send 2M 155m howitzer shells to Ukraine in 2025.

Turkey the 2n largest military in NATO: Is onboard with sending Turkish Peacekeepers to Ukraine.

Uk, France onboard with troops to Ukraine.

Germany's Merz: Possibly sending the Taurus missile to Ukraine : range 500KM.
Merz: "...We must never confuse aggressor and victim in this terrible war..."

Sweden sending PBV 302 APCs to Ukraine with 5B euros and possibly their Gripen jet fighters

Denmark is donating 40, CV 90 IFVs to Ukraine: Valued @ 2.2B euros.

UKs plan for peace : 1.) Keep aid flowing and sanction on Russia 2.) Ukraine at the talks 3.) After peace continue to arm Ukraine to make it stronger, 4.) Peacekeeping troops in Ukraine to prevent Putin from restarting war later.

UK to give Ukraine 2.2B out of the interest from seized Russian assets and 5K missiles to be made in Belfast.

Starmer: "Our starting point must be to put Ukraine in the strongest possible position now...any deal must be backed by strength"

G7 : 50B loan to rebuild. Repayment to come from 300B frozen Russian assets.

UK Conservatives MP Badenoch: " aggressors should not win."
UK SNP MP Flynn: "we are united"
Farage questions mineral deal: UK PM "mineral deal is not enough on its own"

Turkey Erdogan: "...Crimea should be fully Ukraine's and the necessary steps should be taken to achieve this."

Van Der Leyden : 800B euros to be spent on rearming Europe and to help Ukraine

Canada : sending 5B from frozen Russian assets and military vehicles.

Europe has put up half the money @ about .2% total Euro GDP. To replace US funding they will collectively need to increase funding to .4% GDP. Easily doable.

Will they use it to buy US weapons?

Trump basically told them to quit being slackers. If all of this comes about it looks like they listened. What is funny is that they are all pissed but without Trump kicking over the hornets nest we are nowhere near seeing any kind of action from Europe.

Mama has quit buying gas for junior's car and now junior is getting a job. Mama likes having junior at home. He helps around the house and mam bosses him around. Junior resents having to get a job and being bossed around. He will save his money and move out. Mama will be left sad and alone.

Still early in the game.
Lets see how it plays out.

Me to Europe : 😂

 

[jsfgators]

BTW, welcome to the chaos that is Donald Trump. I think folks forgot how wild things where the first term......and they are going to get much, much worse this time for a lot of reasons.

God help us all.......I hope America can survive this.

Hahaha. The chaos that is Donald Trump huh. You mean like the prospect that the shooting in Eastern Europe may end? Funny how creeps like you think peace is chaos, and hundreds of thousands of bodies burning across Ukraine is glory. We have done phenomenal in foreign policy over the last 30 years. Weird. Trillions wasted in the Middle East, a generation of young men with their limbs blown off and you think that is a great foreign policy. You’re a sick puppy.

 

[NavigatorII]

. You’re a sick puppy.

I call it leftard rabies. Diagnosed!

 

[Illegal-shift]

Hahaha. The chaos that is Donald Trump huh. You mean like the prospect that the shooting in Eastern Europe may end? Funny how creeps like you think peace is chaos, and hundreds of thousands of bodies burning across Ukraine is glory. We have done phenomenal in foreign policy over the last 30 years. Weird. Trillions wasted in the Middle East, a generation of young men with their limbs blown off and you think that is a great foreign policy. You’re a sick puppy.

Your not very smart. Good luck going through life with that burden.

 

[FresnoGator]

Your not very smart. Good luck going through life with that burden.

Are you conveniently forgetting:

the disaster pull out from Afghanistan, costing lives an billions in military equipment left for the enemy - 100% Biden FU

Russia attacking Ukraine - largely due to Biden's weakness

Hamas attack on Israel on 10/7/23 - emboldened by US catering to Hamas

Having a military that catered to transgenders and woke ideology - Biden

NONE OF THESE THINGS OCCUR IF TRUMP WAS IN CHARGE - and peace was the order of the day under Trump

CHAOS? Unless you are referring to Maxwell Smart's arch enemy, you are losing any credibility you might have had ...

 

[Illegal-shift]

Are you conveniently forgetting:

the disaster pull out from Afghanistan, costing lives an billions in military equipment left for the enemy - 100% Biden FU

Russia attacking Ukraine - largely due to Biden's weakness

Hamas attack on Israel on 10/7/23 - emboldened by US catering to Hamas

Having a military that catered to transgenders and woke ideology - Biden

NONE OF THESE THINGS OCCUR IF TRUMP WAS IN CHARGE - and peace was the order of the day under Trump

CHAOS? Unless you are referring to Maxwell Smart's arch enemy, you are losing any credibility you might have had ...

Your opinion that none of these things happen if Trump is in charge is just silly.

You just believe anything he says. Hard to have any serious conversations.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Hahaha. The chaos that is Donald Trump huh. You mean like the prospect that the shooting in Eastern Europe may end? Funny how creeps like you think peace is chaos, and hundreds of thousands of bodies burning across Ukraine is glory. We have done phenomenal in foreign policy over the last 30 years. Weird. Trillions wasted in the Middle East, a generation of young men with their limbs blown off and you think that is a great foreign policy. You’re a sick puppy.

Trump is gonna cause chaos? Don't threaten me with a good time.

 

[Gator Fever]

Since Friday

Trump kicked Z in the b@lls and Europe got a kick in the butt.

To paraphrase Uncle Walter "And that's the way it is" :

Polish PM: 500 Eu asking 300M Americans to protect them from 140M Rus.

EU to make and send 2M 155m howitzer shells to Ukraine in 2025.

Turkey the 2n largest military in NATO: Is onboard with sending Turkish Peacekeepers to Ukraine.

Uk, France onboard with troops to Ukraine.

Germany's Merz: Possibly sending the Taurus missile to Ukraine : range 500KM.
Merz: "...We must never confuse aggressor and victim in this terrible war..."

Sweden sending PBV 302 APCs to Ukraine with 5B euros and possibly their Gripen jet fighters

Denmark is donating 40, CV 90 IFVs to Ukraine: Valued @ 2.2B euros.

UKs plan for peace : 1.) Keep aid flowing and sanction on Russia 2.) Ukraine at the talks 3.) After peace continue to arm Ukraine to make it stronger, 4.) Peacekeeping troops in Ukraine to prevent Putin from restarting war later.

UK to give Ukraine 2.2B out of the interest from seized Russian assets and 5K missiles to be made in Belfast.

Starmer: "Our starting point must be to put Ukraine in the strongest possible position now...any deal must be backed by strength"

G7 : 50B loan to rebuild. Repayment to come from 300B frozen Russian assets.

UK Conservatives MP Badenoch: " aggressors should not win."
UK SNP MP Flynn: "we are united"
Farage questions mineral deal: UK PM "mineral deal is not enough on its own"

Turkey Erdogan: "...Crimea should be fully Ukraine's and the necessary steps should be taken to achieve this."

Van Der Leyden : 800B euros to be spent on rearming Europe and to help Ukraine

Canada : sending 5B from frozen Russian assets and military vehicles.

Europe has put up half the money @ about .2% total Euro GDP. To replace US funding they will collectively need to increase funding to .4% GDP. Easily doable.

Will they use it to buy US weapons?

Trump basically told them to quit being slackers. If all of this comes about it looks like they listened. What is funny is that they are all pissed but without Trump kicking over the hornets nest we are nowhere near seeing any kind of action from Europe.

Mama has quit buying gas for junior's car and now junior is getting a job. Mama likes having junior at home. He helps around the house and mam bosses him around. Junior resents having to get a job and being bossed around. He will save his money and move out. Mama will be left sad and alone.

Still early in the game.
Lets see how it plays out.

All that matters is if Russia allows "peacekeepers" in there. My guess is Russia won't allow much of that stuff without escalating themselves. I doubt Russia agrees to any deal that would allow Ukraine to regroup for a longer war. All Europe is doing is talking more fantasy land nonsense. These clowns thought they could stop Russia after pushing them to roll in there and lost. That isn't going to change. Russia has no incentive to move on the rest of Ukraine like they did Eastern Ukraine and Crimea

 

[FresnoGator]

Your opinion that none of these things happen if Trump is in charge is just silly.

You just believe anything he says. Hard to have any serious conversations.

Then we should stop. There was no war under Trump or any aggressions, that is just history and a FACT.

I witnessed it, he didn't say any of those things, I DID.

Sorry, you have jumped the shark.

And thanks you have saved me a lot of time, I don't respond to nonsense...

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

You forgot his suspension of the free press too in the name of “disinformation.” Where have we heard that before in the last 4-5 years? 🤔🤔🤔

Notice @Illegal-shift is acting like he didn't see any of that.

I did nazi that coming

 

[gatordad3]

Hard to have any serious conversations.

You pissed off liberals are always serious.