Keep in mind you only scored 13 points on a Clemson defense that isn't as good as UFs. Just an FYI UF is 10th in the country in pass defense and 11th in the country in rush defense. Not much of a difference.
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There is a bigger discrepancy between Clemson's Offense and UF's Offense than there is between Clemson's Defense and UF's Defense. I'll put those rankings side by side and compare those with FSU's Offense and Defense. Let's compare:
Scoring Offense
Clemson (16th)
UF(71st)
FSU (53rd)
Total Offense
Clemson (19th)
UF(87th)
FSU (41st)
Scoring Defense
Clemson(15th)
UF(4th)
FSU (10th)
Total Defense
Clemson (7th)
UF (5th)
FSU (25th)
As you can see, Clemson is very good on both Offense and Defense and hence is why they are #1 in the polls and #1 in the College Football Playoff.
It also shows how evenly matched FSU and UF are. Basically, UF has a better Defense than FSU, FSU has a better Offense than UF, and FSU has less discrepancy between their Defense and their Offense. UF has the home crowd. It should be a low scoring, great game. Looking forward to it.
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Against who though?
Ole Miss is the ONLY team you've faced that has a passing attack and UF's secondary hasn't been tested once since that game. FSU's passing attack (as week as it is) is the 3rd best you'll face all season.
Passing Offense Rank
New Mexico St. -50
East Carolina -35 (EC gained 346 YDS through the air on UF)
Kentucky -75
Tennessee -81
Ole Miss -8 (Ole Miss only gained 259 YDS through the air and 1 TD (1INT))
Missouri -109
LSU -114
Georgia -104
Vanderbilt -105
South Carolina -102
Florida Atlantic -N/A
Florida State -38
Your rushing defense is ranked 10th, which is where my biggest concern is. Let's see who UF faced, though to earn that.
Rushing Offense Rank
New Mexico St. -123
East Carolina -103
Kentucky -94
Tennessee -29 (Tenn gained 254 YDS on UF)
Ole Miss -57
Missouri -117
LSU -10 (LSU gained 221 YDS on UF)
Georgia -33
Vanderbilt -91
South Carolina -81
Florida Atlantic -N/A
Florida State -52
*Interesting tidbit: FSU is the only FBS team to not allow 25 points this year.
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LSU, Ole Miss and Tennessee all score more points per game than FSU. FSU has also played a weaker schedule than UF.
Also 140 yards of UTs rushing against us was from their QB. Maguire is a statue.
That's because our redzone offense and short yardage offenses are TERRIBLE. We will depend on the home-run threat from Cook and no turnovers to win the game. Based on what both Tenn and LSU did on the ground, I'm more confident than I was before peeking under the rug.
Fair enough. And on a similar note, based on what a very average GaTech defense did against FSU, I am more confident than I was before peeking under the rug.
Again UT got over half of their rushing yards from their QB. Is Maguire gonna run on UFs defense?
FSUs defense has been just average this year when you look at who they have played against. You also have to take into account that FSUs defensive coordinator isn't that good.
If FSU could only score 13 points on Clemson and 6 of those points came right at the beginning of the game I don't see how FSU is going to score too many points on UF. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see Maguire get benched in the UF game. I think he's really going to struggle.
Average GT? GT is 3-7. There is nothing average about them. GT is just bad. Their 3 wins are against Tulane, Alcorn State and FSU. It was a bad bad loss for FSU. GT couldnt even beat Virginia.
The thing is about Fournette is that he is just so powerful.. if you hit a normal back at the line with one maybe two guys he is stopped there for no gain or maybe 1yd. Fournette you hit at the line and he gains 4-5 yards while taking 3 or 4 players to stop. That makes a huge difference throughout a game. Not taking anything away from Cook. We all know he is a really good back but he is more of a speed guy he is not a power guy. Sure he could break a 70 yard run, Vandy did against us, that happens when you get out of position. If I remember Fournettes longest run against us was 20 yards. I would give Cook 1 rush of 20 yards if we hit him at the line on every other attempt like we did against LSU.
I could say the same about your performance against Vanderbilt.
The fact is both teams are very comparable and with it being in Gainesville UF gets the edge.
I just find it funny that FSU fans are on here trying to give an unbiased opinion and arent afraid to give UF credit yet you guys act like FSU is dog crap compared to UF.
I was wondering if anyone would mention this. The only teams to score less on Vandy than UF were Missouri and Austin-Peay
Western Kentucky and Middle Tennessee looked better.
The game will probably be similar to the UF/UT game.
You you serious? You are actually trying to make the case that the FSU fans are reasonable and unbiased?
This kind of reasoning is silly. And dangerous for FSU fans.
GaTech has beaten only three teams. Alcorn State, Tulane....and FSU. Therefore Florida should have no problem with them.
Similarly, FSU fans chortled when LSU beat Syracuse by 10 points...Until Clemson only beat them by seven.
Using transitive properties in college football is the way to madness.
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FSU lost to 3-7 GT. Period. End of discussion. As of right now that is the worst performance of the season between UF and FSU. Especially when you consider who else GT has beaten. GT is freakin winless in the ACC besides their FSU win. It was a pathetic loss for FSU and it can't be spun any other way. Not even the biggest Nole homer can spin that loss.
I agree with what's being said. I don't think the UF offense and FSU defense are as ms arched as many think.
I wasn't using a transitive property to try to illustrate something.
I wasn't using a transitive property to try to illustrate something.
So how "pathetic" would a loss to the team that lost to that "pathetic" GT team be??
Only a nole would try to justify a transitive property argument with a transitive property argument.
So would if UF played LSU again.
I would say there is a good chance we win going away.
Then we are undefeated.
Unfortunately it is what it is. We lost.
it wouldn't change the fact that FSU lost to a pathetic GT team and That Jimbo once again found a way to lose to a team that had much much less talent than FSU.
Nothing can change that loss that FSU suffered to an awful team. That L is on the record and Jimbo found a way to lose to a vastly inferior team. A GT team that can only beat Tulane and Alcorn St.
you didn't really answer the question and he never said (or inferred) that beating UF would make the GT loss vanish. We know it's there. It sucks.
I will say this, JM has maximized your team this year. Your offense is not very good, but the playcalling has taken advantages of the defenses called. When I watch your team you are really opportunistic. Play it safe on offense, let Treon scramble and hit the big play, get turnovers and create short fields.....because the offense cannot drive the length of the field and on a good defense. And that is ok, because the defense has not allowed the other team to get any lead at all.
Your defense has kept you in every game and is playing at an elite level. However, there has been big plays against your defense both running & passing. I think Cook can break a few and if he does get in the open, watch out he is that good.
This game will come down to the same old things - turnovers, field position, which QB plays better, etc.
And which OL comes to play wins the game.
Will your team be looking ahead to Bama?
Your defense has kept you in every game and is playing at an elite level. However, there has been big plays against your defense both running & passing. I think Cook can break a few and if he does get in the open, watch out he is that good.
This game will come down to the same old things - turnovers, field position, which QB plays better, etc.
And which OL comes to play wins the game.
Will your team be looking ahead to Bama?
Should be an asterisk to separate the offense with Treon and what we saw with Grier. Having said that, this offense under Harris still managed 400+ yards in two out of three games vs SEC opponents.
Missouri and UGA have good defenses and UF drove the field on them. No our offense isn't great but it does makes big plays.
"Hey, yes the performance of FSU against GaTech was bad, but what about that Gator performance against Vandy? Its practically the same thing!"
Yea, that overstates what you wrote, but not by much.
There are few Gator fans that will argue with this. Especially given that Coach Mac has essentially said that exact same things.
You can only hope.
It can and we fired that guy. But what does that have to do with comparing the teams this year?
It has everything to do with harping on a particular loss. But you already knew that because you're so intuitive.
yes and that guy (Muschamp) no longer coaches at UF. Meanwhile Jimbo found a way to lose to a team about the equivalent of Georgia Southern. So what does that say about your guy that has a tendency to drop "gimme" games.
Id be suspect of any Uf or FSU fan who is confident in this game.
We have watched both teams play, and uf could lose to just about anyone... FSU too.
We have watched both teams play, and uf could lose to just about anyone... FSU too.
Dude, your team lost to GaTech this year. A very, very bad team. That is very relevant to a discussion about this year. A Florida loss in 2013 is not relevant to this year.
I almost wondered why this obvious point flew over your head. Then I remembered that you probably are a typical FSU fan.
Lol you sound like a broken record with this GT loss. It was a bad loss, a horrible loss. But there is a way Jimbo can redeem himself for it this season. Wait for it.
