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Time to cut the cord on McElwain

Had Muschamp hired Roper at the beginning instead of Weis, he is still the coach...the Gators are staring at a top 5 class....the East would already be locked up and FSU fans would be worried about the game. None of that is true now. Muschamp is getting ready to have a nice run at USC. The pieces are being put together. He will prove over time to be a better coach than MacIlwain.

Agree. Roper gave him a chance, just hited him too late.
 
Jackson only considered Louisville because Muschamp was on the hot seat. He wanted to go to Florida.

Yea that's what I've read. The reason our class was rated 92nd or whatever it was when Muschamp got fired is because a lot of recruits who wanted to go to UF either stayed uncommitted to see if he would keep the job or committed elsewhere to hold a spot and wait it out.
 
I still remember all the Zook apologists, and how he was going to win big at Illinois, well we saw what happened there. Speculating is what makes football fun, but at the end of the day all we have our FACTS to fall back on....like records and what actually happened in games....
 
I still remember all the Zook apologists, and how he was going to win big at Illinois, well we saw what happened there. Speculating is what makes football fun, but at the end of the day all we have our FACTS to fall back on....like records and what actually happened in games....
Agreed.
Zook > Muschamp
 
Didn't Zook actually do decent one year at Illinois? Muschamp may have a decent year at USC but we know what type of coach he is
 
If you cannot recruit at a high level (esp at the FL schools) you are doomed. I don't care what kind of coach you are, if you can't get the top players you are not winning anything.

I think JMc is a good coach, but if he can't bring in the top talent you will never win anything big. Why has Saban or Meyer (or even JF) win, they have top recruiting classes year after year. Charlie Strong would have been a good fit, but your AD messed that up. Your recruiting would have been very good with Charlie.

BB could recruit the top players almost every year except his last 4-5. The other thing is getting really good assistants that can develop players.
 
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If you cannot recruit at a high level (esp at the FL schools) you are doomed. I don't care what kind of coach you are, if you can't get the top players you are not winning anything.

I think JMc is a good coach, but if he can't bring in the top talent you will never win anything big. Why has Saban or Meyer (or even JF) win, they have top recruiting classes year after year. Charlie Strong would have been a good fit, but your AD messed that up. Your recruiting would have been very good with Charlie.

BB could recruit the top players almost every year except his last 4-5. The other thing is getting really good assistants that can develop players.
I agree with most of this, but you do have to coach them up some too. And you are right, Mac better get the recruiting going big time.
 
I agree with most of this, but you do have to coach them up some too. And you are right, Mac better get the recruiting going big time.

The top recruiters year jn and year out are Meyer and Saban. Also holders of what, 7 of the last 10 titles? And Jimbo is proof recruiting alone can make a program successful
 
I still remember all the Zook apologists, and how he was going to win big at Illinois, well we saw what happened there. Speculating is what makes football fun, but at the end of the day all we have our FACTS to fall back on....like records and what actually happened in games....

Well, in an attempt to be somewhat fair to the ole Zookster.... o_O

Zook took the Illini to their first Rose Bowl since the 1980s and last season he led the team to their first bowl win in more than a decade. :eek:

Now, he could not maintain that kind of success yearly, but hey, it's freakin' Illi-noise afterall. :rolleyes:
 
Some schools have a distinct $$$-recruiting-$$$ advantage over other schools....
That would also point to academic's and discipline levels...

So if UF really wants to compete with some of those others, they have to either have a HBC like a Spurrier, or they have to be willing to again risk going on NCAA probation.

Bama leads the SEC in Football infractions and probations.
The Schmuckeyes are likely the same in the Big Ten/12.
And reFSUcks is known as Deion Rule Clown-U, among other things...

While UF is the East Coast equivalent of Stanford in the All Sports Category, with no NCAA problems since Foley became the AD. You make your choices, and then you have to live with them.
Does anyone here want to go back to the Pell/Hall ways of doing things?
 
You shouldnt have to cheat, they are in Florida. Talent is everywhere, just need some excitement. Recruits need to see that the offense is going in the right direction.
 
They were another victim of the years of the big ten thrashings, they got one like Michigan and OSU did combined in that rose bowl.
 
Not to be ugly here, but the expectations at the two programs are very different.
Since the Spurrier tenure at Carolina we have out performed you. Get ready for more of this from Muschamp, starting this Saturday. Next year we will be one of the favorites to win the East, not the Gators. As it stands right now , we are rated above you in this years recruiting. Next year the state of SC will have the best crop of prospects ever and we are lined up to get the best ones. You guys just refuse to accept your fate.
 
Since the Spurrier tenure at Carolina we have out performed you. Get ready for more of this from Muschamp, starting this Saturday. Next year we will be one of the favorites to win the East, not the Gators. As it stands right now , we are rated above you in this years recruiting. Next year the state of SC will have the best crop of prospects ever and we are lined up to get the best ones. You guys just refuse to accept your fate.
Really? Please elaborate...since the SOS era at scjr we have 2 national titles and 2 additional east titles....
 
A nole, a tater, or a lamecock?
But any of the above,,, he's still a moe-ron, whatever else he might be... o_O

What you're gonna be in some far future is in your dreams, just like it's always been. :cool:

You have your projected trending and your dreams, while the Gator's have a full trophy case and the statues of 3 Heisman winners out front. :p
 
Since the Spurrier tenure at Carolina we have out performed you. Get ready for more of this from Muschamp, starting this Saturday. Next year we will be one of the favorites to win the East, not the Gators. As it stands right now , we are rated above you in this years recruiting. Next year the state of SC will have the best crop of prospects ever and we are lined up to get the best ones. You guys just refuse to accept your fate.

MaMa-Fold, were you born yesterday, or the day before???

10. SCa Football Recruiting: 22 Total - 0 - 8 - 13 - 1 --- Ave. 3.22 <<<
4 Top 250's - 85 WR,
104 S, 148 Ath, 201 DT

17. UF Football Recruiting: 15 Total - 0 - 8 - 7 - 0 --- Ave. 3.53 <<<
7 Top 250's - 88 DE,
115 DT, 124 CB, 130 CB, 176 QB, 195 WR, 219 OT

On NSD we'll see where both classes end up.
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SCa B-Ball Recruiting: 3 Total -- 0 - 0 - 3 - 0 (F-C-C)
0 Top 150's

UF B-Ball Recruiting: 2 Total -- 0 - 1 - 0 - 0 -- 1 NR (SF-PF)
1 Top 150 - SF 82 --
NR PF Chase Johnson 6-7 190 - Huntington, WVa
21 offers (including SCa), with visits to Tenn and WVa before committing to UF's new coach, Mike White.
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2016 Baseball Class rankings per Perfect Game USA:

7. UF Baseball Recruiting: 12 Total Commits
Top 100's - 1 -- (6 of 13 were MLB drafted, but UF only lost on one LHP commit to the Pirates)

16. SCa Baseball Recruiting: 14 Total Commits
Top 100's - 1 -- (3 of 14 were MLB drafted, and SCa lost 2 of those to: Royals OF and Mariners 3B)
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2017 Baseball Class rankings per Perfect Game USA:

2. UF has 17 Commits:

17. SCa has 18 Commits:

SEC 2017 Baseball
Recruit Class Rankings:
2. UF
, 4. VU, 5. LSU, 8. Ark, 9. MsSt, 10. AU,
13. aTm, 17. SCa, 19. UK, 21. Ms
 
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