A few out of 10? So like 2 or 3??? Let's settle on 2.5, shall we?
That means we have 32,400,000 dangers to the public walking around daily with guns in this country?
And you scoffed at @EvilWayz 's number on defensive use the other day??? 😂
The Great Gun Nut debate thread, or Won't Someone Please Think Of The Children! versus From My Cold Dead Hands
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A few out of 10? So like 2 or 3??? Let's settle on 2.5, shall we?
That means we have 32,400,000 dangers to the public walking around daily with guns in this country?
And you scoffed at @EvilWayz 's number on defensive use the other day??? 😂
If your wife has 10 pairs of shoes, and you take 6 pairs from her, is she shoeless? (hint: no....but it's not going to end well for you if she finds out)
If your wife has 10 pairs of shoes, and you take 6 pairs from her, is she shoeless? (hint: no....but it's not going to end well for you if she finds out)
And to your point, attempting to take some guns from people would end similarly disastrous.
They are constitutionally protected. If you change something so fundamental to Americans about America, I'm honestly not sure what you are left with.
It's a moot point because they won't be able to amend the constitution and any move approaching what he’s suggesting would be swatted down by the SCOTUS.
Gun rationing........somewhere in hospice Jimmy Carter is smiling.
LOL...I screwed up the math. 😂
It would mean we have 20,250,000 dangers to the public walking around. Still rather more daunting than reality.
It has been, of course.
You won't be able to amend it in this case...and at this point I don't know how it will ever be amended again. Something about our culture would have to change dramatically.
The point that I was making is that the 2nd is so fundamental to who and what we are, amending it would be monumental and almost certainly disastrous.
How so?
What would you consider to be conservative, moderate and liberal positions on guns?
Meaning that your views on gun rights resembles that of your typical liberal rather than a conservative.
I guess I have a liberal view on abortion. I cannot stand abortion and morally I believe that it is murder. However, I don't believe that it's our governments purview to allow or disallow abortion. We damn sure shouldn't pay a nickel for it, however. This opinion of mine slants more towards the liberal despite the fact that I am generally conservative on most issues.
VERY generally speaking...
Conservative- would allow for any gun a person might want to own
Moderate- would allow for guns currently available
Liberal- would further restrict or eliminate gun ownership all together
i HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFEW..AND NEVER WILL ask a little lib sissy if I can do what my Country gives me the right to do. In fact, I think I may go buy an Ar 10 today, because my .556 does not have the range my .308 AR 10 would have. AND I will also make sure to get 1000 rounds of ammo, with the biggest magazines available! (and will NOT ask some little sissy lib to do so.
IT IS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT, son!!! NOT a privilege. So you are like democrats..you CANNOT be a real American if you do not follow our Constitution! Hope you are ok with that. I wonder how our worst enemies feel about armed Americans? I actually know...they side with YOU. Congratulations snowflake!
Come back and let me know when that happens. I STILL will NEVER, EVER give up MY firearms. But I do not believe in my lifetime I will ever have to worry about that anyway
You will be a super macho man with all your guns. Will you be getting a pickup or do you already have one?
Regarding abortion, it's a quandary. If you believe a fetus is a living human being, abortion is illegal and falls under murder. If you don't believe a fetus is a living human being, then it could be argued otherwise. To me, the test is "can the fetus live outside the womb on it's own". And that can happen in 5 months, difficult as it might be. Until the law specifies that defining moment, it will always be a divisive issue. Now it's up to the states to define it.
I've already got a pickup. Trucks are useful for many purposes and cars are just transportation.
Most countries, including those much more liberal than our own, don't allow abortions nearly as late as 5 months. The entire subject is fubar imo.
And I freely admit that this is one that I don't even pretend to have figured out. Elect me dictator...and this is one I won't be able to solve. 😉
Theo, Russia has gun rights laws similar to what you're suggesting for us. You can own smooth-bore weapons with a 20" barrel if you have a permit (shotgun for example). After you've had this permit for 5 years, you can apply for a permit for a rifle.
Hand guns are not allowed. Competition shooters can own them but they must be stored at a "gun club."
If a person is granted a rifle license, they can own 5 rifles and 5 shotguns.
Russia also has a homicide rate two times higher than what we have here in the US. Thoughts???
Hand guns are not allowed. Competition shooters can own them but they must be stored at a "gun club."
If a person is granted a rifle license, they can own 5 rifles and 5 shotguns.
Russia also has a homicide rate two times higher than what we have here in the US. Thoughts???
Let me make this plain for you friend.
YOU aren't taking shit.
You are a slave that has fallen in love with his master and his chains. You've decided that safety and comfort are worth your liberty and self determination.
That wouldn't matter to me normally, you do you, baby.
However you aren't content to be a bootlicker and a lap dog. No, you've said in no uncertain terms that you'd like to deprive me of my personal property at gunpoint in the name of your comfort and safety. Not you of course, you plan to send force and authority by proxy, with armed government agents, and you don't see the blatant hypocrisy of that.
You said you would let me keep a limited amount of firearms if I paid for the privilege, and that firearms should be a privilege, and you'd like to change the constitution to reflect this.
You still haven't answered the question of how my guns prevent you from from living peacefully.
The answer is it doesn't. That doesn't seem to matter.
Reality check, the tide is not turning your way. There are 25 states that now have Constitutional Carry. McDonald v. Chicago and Heller v. DC have finally dismissed the notion that an amendment that contains the words "the right of the people" is a collective right.
I have no idea why you can't go about unarmed and mind your damn business. No, you have the unmitigated gall to tell me what you'll let me have, and dictate what my needs are?
What gives you the right?
So let me say this openly.
If gun nuts were actually crazy, this is the part where we would be dragging people of your ilk into the street, executing you and leaving your bodies to rot in the sun as a warning to those that would welcome tyranny with open arms. How would you stop us? Harsh language?
Your thoughts on this topic are anathema I hope there aren't a bunch of you. People like you are the ones that are going to cause a second civil war, not people like me.
You have forgotten your birthright as a free man and I am embarrassed for you.
People who can not or will not make use of the tools of violence will always be subject to the whims and will of those who can and do. In the end, might makes right.
You are far more dangerous than I.
Sic Semper Tyrannus. Molon Labe.
Take heart...very damn few who are feasibily capable of carrying out this intent would be willing to do so. The vast majority are in your camp and we even saw this play out in Illinois. In Illinois ffs. 😂
It would be an absolute bloodbath. An absolutely meaningless bloodbath btw because the people that we don’t want to have guns would still have them. We would just get otherwise normal Americans killed.
No thanks.
Let me State this unequivocally and then bow out...
I believe in 2A and support the right to own and carry.
I believe in 2A and support the right to own and carry.
Hey now, Viagra is proof the universe loves me and wants me to be happy.
Sad but true. Also true is that if Mr. or Ms. Mentally Unstable draws that gun to start shooting up at folks the other 9 are gonna end that person’s day real fast.
At the end of the day, it all boils down to this: Those who prefer a little safety over freedom deserve neither. (1)
The second amendment wasn't about self defense either. It's mechanism to thwart tyrannical governments.
(1) Said some guy a lot smarter than me.
The second amendment wasn't about self defense either. It's mechanism to thwart tyrannical governments.
(1) Said some guy a lot smarter than me.
Well maybe you think I should have hung my spurs up at 35 after my motorcycle accident but between me and my junk, you're outvoted.
Besides as a really silly movie once said,
"This is not a cheerocracy. This is a cheertatorship. "
😊
What? No, they aren't. You can't amend the bill of rights. They don't bestow rights, they enshrine them against the damn government.
Even with the gang of morons currently enthroned in Washington they wouldn't get the votes needed from the states, assuming they had enough to get a constitutional convention convened.
Well I do not drive an EV son...probably like you do. Now the truth...do you have a "man bun" or has all of your hair left you?
I am passionate about my rights. Five hundred years ago I would have been a sword nut, 10000 years ago a rock nut. Weapons are a means to an end.
My guns don't have names. Neither do my power tools.
My guitars do.
And you may fetch me the post where I ever claimed not to be dramatic or emotional.
FIFY...because you are SO SLOW you will never get it on your own
@GatorTheo
That's ridiculous. I'm an out and proud ammosexual and I think guns can be dangerous. They just aren't inherently.
Other things I've had in my house that are dangerous:
Cutlery.
Oxy-acetylene tanks.
Muriatic acid.
Soldering iron.
Baseball bat.
Golf Club.
American Pit Bull Terriers.
Boat propeller.
When my gun is unloaded it's only dangerous if I drop it on your foot. Or attempt to beat you to death with it.
If I insert a magazine and charge the weapon and holster it, still not dangerous.
It only becomes dangerous if I point it at you and pull the trigger. It's situationally dependent.
I spent six years at Union CI, which at the time was a 7B max/death row facility and let me assure you almost anything can be used as a weapon if used counter to operating instructions, improperly.
I reference your earlier comment about gun fondlers being inherently fearful. From my perspective if you think a handgun is inherently dangerous with no caveats, you're afraid of an inanimate object. I'm not judging you, both my parents are afraid of guns. They also don't tell me I can't bring mine in their house or out to eat with them.
