Speaker Johnson releases the Jan 6th tapes
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This is not an accurate take on what I said. Like at all.
Fighting cops who are giving you a lawful order is a horrible idea imho. It's also a crime. It's the opposite of law and order.
If you have an issue with the order that police are giving you, take it up with the judge or his superior officer after the fact.
^^^This is what I said.
As a cop, lawful orders follow a continuum..."ask, tell, make." They will ask you to leave that atrium, they will tell you to leave that atrium and then they will make you leave that atrium. You don't get to use force to avoid that continuum. Doing so is a crime in and of itself.
Now, after the fact, if you believe that it was wrong that the cops made you leave that atrium, those are things that you can discuss with a judge or the Chief/Sheriff. If their actions were wrong or unlawful, there should be consequences. In this case, that would be with whichever ranking officer ordered the clearing of the atrium.
The above represents the absence of law and order.
Is that how this works? Maybe one cop was being irresponsible so now we don't have to comply with lawful orders?
That's chaos, that's anarchy...and that's the playground of the American left my friend.
All of this is correct.
If the police are wrong, let them be wrong and make them pay on the backside.
If you resist, even if they were wrong to begin with, they will not be held to account...because you resisted.
It's a still frame. Maybe he's smiling. Maybe in the next frame his face went from neutral to whatever the hell that grin is to grimacing.
Or maybe he's a psycho who would smile in such a circumstance??? But I wouldn't base my opinion solely on a still frame image.
Many of them weren't white genius.
And the only person shot by LE was a white woman.
You didn’t think this one through did you? Race baiting fail...sorry, not sorry.
I said they (the cops, not a single cop) were giving lawful orders.
I never said "that the cop was acting lawfully."
These can be two entirely different things. I can give someone a lawful order and the person I give it to MUST comply. If they don't, they are in violation of the law.
At the same time, later, if my order is deemed unlawful, now I'm in trouble...or whoever ordered me to give that lawful order is in trouble...or both of us.
Make sense? Not being a dick....I think I understand the confusion now.
Glad we agree. There was very little law and order on Jan 6th. All evidence points to that being the plan of the cops on the premises.
If we are working from the assumption that the cops did in fact act lawfully and were performing their sworn duty to protect and serve, then you are exactly right.
But based on what we've ALL seen from Jan 6th, we both know that wasn't the case. I'm sure there were some, likely even the vast majority of the cops on the scene who were acting lawfully at all times.
I am also sure there were some, maybe even many, who were acting completely dishonestly and likely illegally.
At some point 'you obey then say something later' no longer applies. For instance, if a cop wants to kill someone, should that someone blindly obey and let the cop kill them?
As I said, uncharted waters.
We all base opinions on still frames here all the time. Every single picture ever posted here is a still frame.
Not what I said or meant.
That crowd, or at least many within it, were ignoring lawful orders and as such were behavIng like criminals.
Put another way, they were behaving like many BLM/antifa crowds I saw during their screwed up summer of love.
That's just completely ridiculous and you know better. I'm out of this exchange on that note.
What I heard in this last part..."it's different when people I agree with do it."
Agree to disagree. You don't get to decide which lawful orders to comply with and which ones to ignore. I mean...you do I guess, but it's a crime and you go to jail...or should, at least.
Probably wise...and agree there's been some ridiculousness in this portion of the thread.
I do. As I said, uncharted waters. If you had been part of the crowd all day, by the end of the day you had no doubt already heard that there were plants in the crowd among supporters and cops.
Given that environment, a 'cop' giving a sketchy order could have easily led to resistance. Which was part of the setup, I think.
The issue is the guy is a menace to our country. 2 years seems awfully lenient to me.
If I veered off your path, I took the right turn.
"Things most of us saw the day it happened for $500, Alex."
someone is about to get suicided
DJT told us this would happen.
SIAP. The new Speaker is full if it on this…
Why would they need to blur these tapes? The FBI and DOJ has already seen these. Good grief.
Everyone already knows why. Can’t reveal Feds Identities.
Why would they need to blur these tapes? The FBI and DOJ has already seen these. Good grief.
Everyone already knows why. Can’t reveal Feds Identities.
