At this rate, I expect to be fully ignored. More power to them.
Proprietary COVID-19 and Vaccine thread
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Awwww. You two are so cute together. Every time I see the two of you going back and forth it makes me think of this….
@SORT14 @gator1776
@SORT14 @gator1776
You still vaccinating kids for RSV? Wait I mean giving them a monoclonal that you’re calling a vaccine? Wait, I mean giving them a vaccine thats in phase 1 trial? Wait, I mean giving them a vaccine thats in phase 3 trials with elderly patients? Wait, I mean circling back to the monoclonal because quadrupling down on being wrong was not enough. Let’s just call it semantics at this point.
What do 3 of the top 6 worst state hospital systems have in common?
After the quadruple down, I think we know why now.
Let’s see if we can get @SORT14 to give a like.
Ok. Whats that have to do with the post you quoted?
Not sure why you two lovers keep tagging me on covid19 safety stuff?
We know what we know, and we don’t know what we don’t know. Everyone should make their decision accordingly.
I have posted both positive and negative information on the vaccines. That history is ITT? Question is, have you? If we had more of that type of honesty from the medical community vs. rah rah rah, coercive tactics, fear tactics and mandates, more folks would be vaccinated IMO.
I CHOSE to be vaccinated because I believed the risk vs reward was greater reward and less risk on vaccine side. I have said so, ITT and posted video links supporting that stance. But, I also acknowledge there ARE risks to the vaccine as well, because….there are. And, we still have no clue (anyone who says the do know is lying) if there will be long term effects. Do I THINK there will be? No…..problem is that key word, THINK.
Just be honest with folks.
All that said….I wish j&j would be made available soon for the kiddos
My attempt to level set the conversation toward substantive exchanges for those, including you, who will have it.
I haven't tagged you at all that I know of (maybe in quote?)
I'm certainly interested in anything you find regarding the vaccines, positive or negative, so long as they aren't just tabloid stuff or tweets. There's just not a lot of validity in that stuff. If you do have some decent resources, by all means share them.
I'm glad you did what you thought was prudent (getting vaccinated), and I did the same. As far as honesty, I have been honest with you.
The honesty thing was in general and not directed at you. Blanket statements like “the vaccines are safe” implies there are no risks. A better statement would be the vaccines are highly effective with a minimal short term risk of side effects. Long term, we just don’t know yet.
Fair enough. Long term, the reason I am not necessarily worried is that because vaccines are out of your system fairly quickly, any side effects will usually present themselves within a month at most. Now, those side effects that do present can certainly have long-term effects. But the occurrence of these side effects are very low so far. Given that we have had over 4 billion people vaccinated worldwide, it is logical to conclude that if the side effects were a problem, then they would be widely reported.
So the virus "mutates" because the HOST makes changes to the RNA in replication. So can we say for 100% sure that the mRNA vaxxes can not cause the host to have a change in its RNA or DNA that causes some weird cancer 10 20 30 years down the road? I am 52 so 30 yrs has me at 82 if I even make it. My son would only be in his 40s. Big deal to me. Some virii are known to cause cancer. Do we know for 100% what is going on in the cells?
Yes, unfortunately viruses do mutate and no, we can't say anything for 100% sure. While I think those are legitimate fears, and I will research that line of thought some more, I will say for now that we shouldn't be expecting 100% in pretty much anything just to maintain a realistic perspective.
As I have said, we are unfortunately dealing with a set of undesirable choices: Get vaxxed or get potentially get COVID. Out of the two, I choose to take my chances with the vaccine based upon the available research and statistics, along with my personal health profile.
I'll be sure to share what I find on that, but I think it is a good concern.
I think we can see it for 99.999% certainty. Knowing how it works. 100% certainty in science is difficult. Just as 100% certainty in life is difficult.
That said, I can say with 1.8% certainty that if you test positive for Covid in the United States you will die and that if you’re vaccinated that number goes down to well below 0.01% risk of dying if you get Covid if you have taken the Pfizer or Moderna messenger RNA vaccine.
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@DCandtheUTBand Which is why we have always said you have to make the best decision for you and why I personally oppose a vaccine mandate While highly recommending the Covid vaccine as a doctor.. But I do think it’s far safer then the risk of not being vaccinated these days.
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This is a test run to try to confiscate guns. The 'for the greater good' line is being tested to see if they can create a scenario where the vaxxed are ok with the unvaxxed being forced to comply with the adinistration of shots that they don't want.
Those of you blindly pushing shots are making their job easier. And you will have to live with that. Eyes wide open.
If they can create a scenario where Americans will turn on each other over shots, then they feel they can down the road create a scenario where they can eventually play the 'for the greater good' card, and take everyone's guns. Once they have all the guns, they have all the power. We are slaves to the state.
That's the end goal here. Look at what is happening in Australia. It's basically a police state.
Australia has some of the strictest gun laws in the world.
This was NEVER about covid. Please wake up before it's too late.
And you accuse me of having a need to worry and get upset about things.
Open your vein to me…. ba-by. I hold the needle. Pull up your sleeve!
(Yes. I know the vaccine technically goes into soft tissue)
(Yes. I know the vaccine technically goes into soft tissue)
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I actually change that at the same time you quoted it but I can get a laugh out of it too
The 100% was in extremis so as to avoid a bidding war.
Abraham was in a biding war with God over the fate of Lot and his family. God must have laughed at him because He already planned to rescue Lot. I just headed that off from the discussion by going all in with 100% at the start. This was IMHO necessary when discussing things with stats guys...I believe it is a rule like do not get involved in a land war in Asia and do NOT get in a bidding war with statisticians.
Extremely tangential. Only a fool would except a standard of 100% on anythingThe 100% was in extremis so as to avoid a bidding war.
Abraham was in a biding war with God over the fate of Lot and his family. God must have laughed at him because He already planned to rescue Lot. I just headed that off from the discussion by going all in with 100% at the start. This was IMHO necessary when discussing things with stats guys...I believe it is a rule like do not get involved in a land war in Asia and do NOT get in a bidding war with statisticians.
Some might say that’s statistically impossible
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LOL @SORT14 avoided the bidding war in his reply and you tried to engage in it anyway.Extremely tangential. Only a fool would except a standard of 100% on anything
Like I say stats are fine until you are one.
Guy to girl: will you sleep with me for $10M
Girl : yes
Guy: $10
Girl: what kind of girl do you take me for?
Guy: we have already determined that now we are negotiating the price.
I’m not trying to engage in the bidding war. I was actually pointing out directly the same thing @SORT14 was pointing out in a more roundabout sort of way, statistically speaking is impossible to get to the extremes of 0% and 100% in any research study. That’s why they have things like confidence intervals and p values
If you said your standard at 100% you will never be satisfied. As for what you choose to do or don’t do with a vaccine, again, all the science is there and has already been stated.
It’s the same principle as Zeno Mathematical paradox.
Sometimes Doc you are too smart to the point of being obtuse. I got the convo from @SORT14 I desired and he is a numbers and stats guy. In other words I didn't want to talk numbers or stats so I set the goal at the impossible number. There was no wiggle room to debate CI, stats or numbers. Go back and see what @SORT14 wrote that I was replying to. Full of numbers making a case against long term effects.
We just can not know what these "synthetic" vaxxes will do in 30 years as opposed to the more "organic" vaxxes we normally take like vectored and attenuated vaxxes. In fact I heard a guy ask why they haven't tried to make an attenuated corona virus vax seeing as how its only a little over 1% fatal as it is. I thought that's a good question. Why only the exotic mRNA and the couple of vectored and the nano particle vax coming out later.
If J&J or an attenuated vax were available for kids I would have already got my son vaxxed and would not have waited until June to get mine if an attenuated was available.
Hey I’m just enjoying joining in the discussion. End of the day I just want you to make the best decision for you and your family and I’m happy to provide whatever research may help. I just thought we were having a fun discussion on the extremes of mathematics which is a personal favorite of mine.
The thing with future possible outcomes (say vaccine side effects, to stay on message) is that while outcomes are unknown, they can only move asymptotically toward zero or a hundred percent. Like both of you have said, probabilities about unknowns cannot be absolute (i.e., zero or one hundred) until the outcome is known. Good conversation!
Very good conversation, nice to have conversations with reasonable people
You get upset about things that are completely disconnected from reality. Such as you think the earth is currently the hottest it has ever been when you can walk outside and see for yourself that's not the case. Or you thought Trump supporters were trying to take over the White House on Jan 6th.
Dems have long made it known they want to abolish the 2nd Amendment. Remember a few months ago when Beto said he wanted to confiscate everyone's guns? A reporter tried to save him and told him he didn't really mean that. He said the hell he didn't, we're coming for your guns!
Everyone here should educate themselves on China's Social Credit Score. Because the dems love it, and it's coming here if they have their way.
Basically, the Social Credit Score says government tells you how to live your life. If you obey government, your score remains high. If you start doing things that government doesn't want you to do, like voice an opinion they don't like, your score drops.
When your score drops, you lose basic societal functions.
See the video earlier of the Australian PM saying the unvaxxxed will be denied access to the Australian economy.
What I am upset about is stuff that's actually happening right now.
You get upset about stuff you read on your conspiracy sites that never happens.
I'd love to be wrong about this. But I never am.
I don’t. I don’t get the fascination with vaccinating a population that has a 99.98% survival rate.
Vax the at risk, let the rest develop their own vaccines naturally.
Please show me where are you get 99.98% survival rate from. Post the actual research proving that 99.98% survival rate.
Add another tweet but no actual evidence. At least you’re consistent.
Why have we never done this with the seasonal flu? Which has the same mortality rate?
Fear causes people to turn off their brains, it seems.
Saints home opener.
Average home attendance in 2019 for the Saints was 73k. So requiring shots is costing them over half their attendance.
Good.
New Orleans Saints average attendance 2023 | Statista
In 2023, the New Orleans Saints recorded an average home attendance of 70,020 spectators.
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You don’t think the hurricane had anything to do with that? LOL
Saints home opener.
Average home attendance in 2019 for the Saints was 73k. So requiring shots is costing them over half their attendance.
Good.
New Orleans Saints average attendance 2023 | Statista
In 2023, the New Orleans Saints recorded an average home attendance of 70,020 spectators.
To be fair, it was played in Jax.
Saints home opener.
Average home attendance in 2019 for the Saints was 73k. So requiring shots is costing them over half their attendance.
Good.
New Orleans Saints average attendance 2023 | Statista
In 2023, the New Orleans Saints recorded an average home attendance of 70,020 spectators.
Just leave it up to people to make an informed decision, but the information has to be excellent in order to be fair.
Just drove through Louisiana twice in the last week. Lots of interstate detours and still a problem with flooding (as of last week).
Still guessing 20 to 30% of the state doesn’t have power in New Orleans, which I was actually in yesterday afternoon, still has lots of traffic lights down and roads that aren’t open and large areas without power.
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