A joke article as it has been working. India had a big difference in deaths when they started using and non - agenda doctors in the US have had results let alone people like me. These clowns would rather you are headed for death on a ventilator than use the stuff."The Associated Press reported that talk radio host Phil Valentine, currently hospitalized with COVID-19, was taking it."
Doctors warn against taking Ivermectin for COVID-19
Ivermectin, a drug used to treat parasites in both humans and animals, has recently been tested for its efficacy as a treatment for COVID-19. But does it work?www.wkrn.com
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So there of been 12 research articles published about ivermectin. 10 of them show that ivermectin had no impact on coronavirus. Two of them showed potential benefit, and both were later polled from the journals they were published in for unethical and poor scientific methods.
So, today, there’s no peer reviewed scientific evidence that ivermectin helps coronavirus but there are certainly several known potential dangerous side effects from taking ivermectin particularly in high doses. Physicians are obligated to do no harm and not give medicines with no proven benefit and potential side effects even if patients demand it.
There is currently a multi center placebo controlled trial and ivermectin ongoing, that’s the one I’m waiting to see determine if there’s any potential benefit or not to ivermectin. As of now it is not part of the treatment regimen provided by a reputable physicians in hospitals.
I have no problem with the data. I have a big problem with the SOURCE of the data.
Track records matter. @Tmi512 could post the same numbers and I'd take them at face value.
The other guy literally admitted he has a pro-shot agenda AND he admitted he's been posting false information here to 'get a rise' out of people.
Once someone shows me who they are, I stop listening.
I am making no judgement on it. The article was linked so as to source my info that Phil Valentine had taken it and for him it did not work
Not only did he get vented they moved him to another hospital to put him on an ECMO machine. He got the best care available.
Oh and the doc quoted is the professor of Infections disease at Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt is as prestigious as Duke or any Ivy league school.
And he pretty much says the same things 76 says on here.
Would I take HCQ and Ivermectin?
YES along with anything else that might work except alligator dung. Those egyptians were great at creating pyramids but not so much on medicine.
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Ummm. Where you been? Vaxxed a while back. Its ITT.
@SORT14 and I both told our stories of how we decided
I feel like you're the Brian Stelzer of this board. He also sits around wondering how there could be idiots in the world that don't listen to him and the ideas he pushes.
I went ahead and had them thrust the RSV vaccine into my anus while I was there. That is how it’s administered, correct?
Only if they want to get it to your brain really fast.
I about spit out my margarita. You guys should reconcile. There is no hope for Ghost and 76 though. They should just put each other on ignore. Dang second margarita and I can hardly type...going for number 3. Already had a beer and some alcoholic cherry popsicle.
They have already been shown to manipulate findings to their desired outcomes. Only a moron and those with an agenda would think invermectin is useless with the results in India and you also have that country with low Covid deaths where most people take it for other reasons. The FDA and big pharma are clown shows just worried about friends staying in the big money.
Rev. Jesse Jackson, wife Jacqueline hospitalized for COVID
The Rev. Jesse Jackson and his wife, Jacqueline, have been hospitalized after testing positive for COVID-19.
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A little scary given their age….hopefully they are OK.
Saw that earlier. Very scary because of their age. Wish them well and God blessRev. Jesse Jackson, wife Jacqueline hospitalized for COVID
The Rev. Jesse Jackson and his wife, Jacqueline, have been hospitalized after testing positive for COVID-19.
A little scary given their age….hopefully they are OK.
Well I told you ignore like 90% of what you post 🤣🤣🤣
I’m glad you’re finally came around. I knew I could win you over.
You know if you put coronavirus in a test tube with 73 margaritas it kills the coronavirus.
I listen to all my bitches. The thing you said that convinced me was when you made up a story about RSV vaccines that don’t exist. Once you did that, and then doubled down, I knew you were MY girl, and that I could trust you. 😉
Just so long as you’re vaccinated. One less chucklehead I have to worry about.
I had @gator1776 on ignore (the real kind, @gator1776, not the fake kind where you still check and see what I am saying) for months, but the problem was, all day he kept dropping idiot bombs all over the board, and guys like @jfegaly and @fatman76 and @fsumc kept laughing at him that I felt like I was missing too much of the board. Half of a lot of these threads were them reacting with shocked hilarity at some new claim he had made.
I'll eventually put him back on ignore. And unlike his, my button is bigger, and it actually works. *cool*
We just lost a 36 year old that I had become particularly close to his friends and family. It was a miracle he survived this long. This one sucks really bad.
I had a feeling it was going to make it through the night. He’s been on my mind all day long. Don’t feel like talking about Covid anymore right now
I had a feeling it was going to make it through the night. He’s been on my mind all day long. Don’t feel like talking about Covid anymore right now
Sorry for the delayed response. I wanted to articulate my thoughts before posting them. You’re right, we cannot make a totally informed decisions with absolute certainty, and that does suck. We have to make a probabilistic decision based on the available evidence. I will leave the medical concerns you have to those that are more qualified to answer them than me, but as far as my view on some of the things under “do not know” list, I will offer my thoughts (I put your thoughts in italics).
The mechanism these vaccines use has been researched since 1993 and has been in trials since 2003. To my knowledge no drug, treatment or vaccine has ever rec'd formal approval. Why?
Perfectly logical. I asked a friend of mine who is a rheumatologist. He mentioned the technologies we have now are so far superior that testing and validating processes can occur much faster nowadays. And if I am not mistaken, Pfizer (and Moderna?) are about to receive full approval. In my opinion, that so many billions of people have had the vaccine, if there was a problem (like you said), we would know.
We have no good tracking of adverse effects
It could certainly be better, I agree. But we do have tracking of positive effects of the vaccine and negative effects of the virus. Most hospital data and scientific literature support this. As such, we do have data that can be used to make decisions.
We don't know if there are any long-term effects
True. But the vaccine is usually out of your system fairly quickly and if there are going to be adverse side effects, they will usually present within 30 days. Again, given how many people have received the vaccination (more than 30 days ago), if there were a big problem, then it would present itself by now.
The ability for the vaccinated to infect others has been a bit of moving target, reducing the community benefit argument a bit.
I do agree that the vaccinated people being able to spread COVID sucks, but they are still showing a lot less severity because, while the virus can remain on surface level mucus membranes in the throat of vaccinated persons, it doesn’t a) typically remain there as long and b) is much less likely to spread through the bloodstream and cause disease. To me, those are huge factors. Getting vaccinated is not going to perfectly solve all our problems, but there are mountains of evidence that it does mitigate the damage.
ADE so far hasn't been identified, but even the CDC hasn't closed the book on the possibility (although I think we'd know by now).
This is concerning to me as well. Research in Swiss Medical Weekly (Negro, 2020) found that ADE cannot be dismissed as being relevant to COVID (https://smw.ch/article/doi/smw.2020.20249). However, a study in the Journal of Virology found that ADE can be mediated (Wan et al., 2020) as it relates to COVID (https://journals.asm.org/doi/epub/10.1128/JVI.02015-19). Hopefully, ADE isn’t going to be a huge problem. I think this is worth monitoring and more personal research.
Mandates
I could not agree more. I have long been critical of the government’s messaging regarding COVID. A totalitarian approach is simply ineffective at best and counterproductive at worst. In my own research, I have found what I call The Freedom Factor to be a strong motivation against vaccination. In psychology, this is generally known as psychological reactance. Governmental intrusion into our individual liberties is always a serious concern. In my view, however, this is a separate argument. Taking the vaccine to improve my odds of remaining healthy against COVID is a freedom I have, and I choose to exercise that freedom independent of what the government may mandate. That my decision aligns with their mandate is immaterial. I exercised my freedoms. I got the shot because it was my choice and not their mandate. And I fully respect the rights of others to make a different decision.
My two cents:
There are always considerations for both sides of a position. These considerations are driven by the strength of the supporting evidence. How strong we evaluate each item of evidence is the subjective and personal aspect of decision-making. In my view, an approach that is logical to properly weigh the evidence as it relates to your personal situation (which is an idiosyncratic variable unique to you and you alone) is to evaluate the evidence across three key domains: proximity, intensity, and conditional probability.
So, as it relates to you, you could consider how proximal, or how close, is COVID to you, how intense (bad) is COVID, and what is the probability that you catch it? The combination of these three ideas is what I meant in an earlier post when I used the term imminent probabilities (this is a term I made up).
The imminent probabilities can be calculated if you have the data:
- For the proximal value, has COVID reached your community? Your family? Or even you?
- For the intensity value, what are your underlying health conditions (age, weight, diabetes, etc.) that may intensify the impact of COVID on your health?
- For the probability value, you simply calculate the conditional probability that you will catch COVID given its proximity to you, or your likelihood of encountering the virus (do you travel?).
You would then repeat this process of risks associated with the vaccine. Compare the probabilities and you will have an empirical tool to help you make your decision. And since the accuracy of calculations are highly dependent on the validity of data applied, I used only primary data sources (peer-reviewed scientific papers and statistics from valid sources).
In my situation, the proximity of catching COVID was a huge factor. I personally know people who have contracted COVID (my neighbor, a teacher) and who have died (a former law enforcement colleague). The teacher neighbor was vaccinated and was not hospitalized. My former colleague was not vaccinated. Another former client of mine (an attorney, not vaccinated) contracted COVID and was hospitalized for over two weeks and described it as being pure hell. He was not vaccinated and experienced painful blood clots (on top of the hellish COVID symptoms). I have many more examples, and each follow the same likely outcomes – the unvaccinated are having much worse COVID related outcomes than those with the vaccines. When I calculated the probabilities as they pertain to me, I simply could not ignore the issue. Am I worried about vaccine side effects? Yes. Just not nearly as much as I am worried about the immediate and known effects of COVID.
Being skeptical about any of the numbers is perfectly fair. I just don’t think any of us can rationally say that COVID doesn’t exist or isn’t threatening to some level. And while people tend to focus on the error terms (mistakes) in reported numbers, it is considerably less logical to rely on Twitter, tabloids, and clearly unreliable sources (versus scientific studies). All in all, we are just balancing the evidence the best we can.
Damned if the guy didn’t survive. At least through the night. When I called to check on him they said his systolic blood pressure was in the 60s they couldn’t pick up his oxygen saturation he was 100% poop of 18 I thought it was a matter of seconds before he coded. Then apparently he rallied just enough and he still hanging in there. We’ll see, hoping and praying for a miracle.
Nice write up
Our next challenge is deciding for our 15yr old. Still on the fence there.
Kerwin Bell's offensive line coach at Western Carolina, age 32, who was also with Kerwin at Valdosta State, has died of COVID just 5 days after testing positive. The short article linked below reports the death, announced in a Facebook post by the coach's fiance, but no indication is provided as to whether he was vaccinated. I would assume not.
Western Carolina assistant football coach John Peacock dies of COVID, according to fiancee
John Peacock joined WCU this spring and was previously at Valdosta State, where he helped lead the team to the NCAA Division II championship.
www.citizen-times.com
Thank you sir. That is definitely a subject worthy of careful consideration. Due diligence is very wise.
Good news nonetheless. Hoping for the best outcome.
Excellent and thoughtful response. TY very much for taking the time.
It was very good. And I’m glad that he’s here because I just don’t have the time to put that much effort into these things right now.
For me I’m not at this time. I have 16YO and 13YO boys. I know the issues with heart inflammation and Covid are worse than the vaccines, but both are still so rare I just can’t take the risk.
My oldest is headed to Europe next summer. Fairly certain it’ll be required for him then and we will have much more info (and options) at that point
Not sure if you care about my opinion but I think you’re making the right choice. I’ve seen far more pediatric cases in the hospital and on the vent is go around the last time.
Both my boys are healthy lacrosse players. They eat well, exercise a lot and don’t carry bad weight. They’ll get it, I’m just not in a rush.
More important that the adults around them are vaxxed for that day when it comes home from school. This region is about to get the wave you guys are experiencing.
The vaccine is something I opted for back in June, however, I support anyone's right to refuse it. We don't know the side effects since the FDA hasn't approved it (especially for pregnant portions of the population). I received the Moderna vaccine and was nearly hospitalized after severe reactions to it.
https://noqreport.com/2021/08/22/microbiologist-dr-sucharit-bhakdi-explains-covid-jab-effects/
In this interview, German microbiologist Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi sifts through the facts and fictions of the coronavirus pandemic. Together with Karina Reiss, Ph.D., he’s written two books on this subject, starting with “Corona False Alarm? Facts and Figures,” published in October 2020, followed by “Corona Unmasked: New Facts and Figures.”
The second book is currently only available in German, but you can download a free chapter of “Corona Unmasked” in English on FiveDoves.com.
STORY AT-A-GLANCE
- The FDA can only grant emergency use authorization for a pandemic drug or vaccine if there’s no safe and effective preexisting treatment or alternative. Since there are several such alternatives, the FDA is legally required to revoke the emergency authorization for these shots
- While the COVID injections have been characterized as being somewhere around 95% effective against SARS-CoV-2 infection, this is the relative risk reduction, which tells you very little about its usefulness. The absolute risk reduction is only around 1% for all currently available COVID shots
- Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) refers to a condition where the vaccination augments your risk of serious infection. We are now starting to see evidence that ADE is occurring in the vaccinated population
- One of the most common side effects of the COVID shots is abnormal blood clotting, which can result in strokes and heart attacks
- Even microclots that don’t completely block the blood vessel can have serious ramifications. You can check for presence of microclots by performing a D-dimer blood test. If your D-dimer is elevated, you have clotting somewhere in your body
In this interview, German microbiologist Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi sifts through the facts and fictions of the coronavirus pandemic. Together with Karina Reiss, Ph.D., he’s written two books on this subject, starting with “Corona False Alarm? Facts and Figures,” published in October 2020, followed by “Corona Unmasked: New Facts and Figures.”
The second book is currently only available in German, but you can download a free chapter of “Corona Unmasked” in English on FiveDoves.com.
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