It's ok bro, that was probably during your 'watch this, imma get a rise out of them!' episode.
Proprietary COVID-19 and Vaccine thread
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@fatman76
I think I recall the context of that comment now. We did actually lose two nurses that day, we lost them because they had to go home and self quarantine because they were exposed to Covid and not vaccinated. We lost a couple others the week before because they transferred to lateral jobs. Mississippi lost a 10-12 nurses over the year last year including our nurse manager. They left for other jobs, some higher-paying taking care of Covid, most non-Covid related jobs.
Alabama despite those few losses I mentioned above has held its own sense then, Louisiana has always held its own Possibly because that one is an academic center. Florida, which I cover from time to time, lost four or five that moved on to different places. They said it was due to Covid. Better context. Again apologies for calling you out on that because I don’t remember it but I do now that you have refreshed my memory
I think I recall the context of that comment now. We did actually lose two nurses that day, we lost them because they had to go home and self quarantine because they were exposed to Covid and not vaccinated. We lost a couple others the week before because they transferred to lateral jobs. Mississippi lost a 10-12 nurses over the year last year including our nurse manager. They left for other jobs, some higher-paying taking care of Covid, most non-Covid related jobs.
Alabama despite those few losses I mentioned above has held its own sense then, Louisiana has always held its own Possibly because that one is an academic center. Florida, which I cover from time to time, lost four or five that moved on to different places. They said it was due to Covid. Better context. Again apologies for calling you out on that because I don’t remember it but I do now that you have refreshed my memory
Notice how the discussion has been shifted away from important issues and back towards obsessively exploiting minor inconsistencies in the statements of the doctors and using them to frame them as untrustworthy and malevolent.
How did you know doc mcstuffins was angry and was going trolling?
Also, stating there is a vaccine for something when there isn’t, and then doubling down and lying to try and save face isn’t just a “minor inconsistency”. If someone you didn’t know did that, you would have a difficult time trusting that person.
Sorry, but that’s the truth.
I wasn't doing that at all. I'm trying to have a level headed and polite conversation.
Feel free to see yourself out, I know how those can confuse an angry liberal.
Doc uses voice to text alot. He told us that a few weeks ago.MissySippy!
Did your phone do that or was it intentional?
No worries.@fatman76
I think I recall the context of that comment now. We did actually lose two nurses that day, we lost them because they had to go home and self quarantine because they were exposed to Covid and not vaccinated. We lost a couple others the week before because they transferred to lateral jobs. Mississippi lost a 10-12 nurses over the year last year including our nurse manager. They left for other jobs, some higher-paying taking care of Covid, most non-Covid related jobs.
Alabama despite those few losses I mentioned above has held its own sense then, Louisiana has always held its own Possibly because that one is an academic center. Florida, which I cover from time to time, lost four or five that moved on to different places. They said it was due to Covid. Better context. Again apologies for calling you out on that because I don’t remember it but I do now that you have refreshed my memory
That's actually great news.
Vax mandates are going to likely hammer us in rural NoVA. The protests started at 8 and now it's probably triple that (town of 25k, services almost 100k from surrounding areas). 2 nurses have been fired for using their time off to attend protests, which was specifically prohibited by hospital admins.
I love how he always ignores certain questions like this. Which is pretty much all the answer we ever need.
I mean, I think the puzzle pieces add up unfortunately
https://www.foxnews.com/us/naval-academy-cheating-midshipmen-separated
My phone does that to me, lol.
It's expected, right, if you can't attack the argument, attack the poster.
OMG, HE CALLED THE IGG SYNOVUS THERAPY THEY GIVE HIGH RISK INFANTS FOR RSV PREVENTION DURING RSV SEASON A VACCINE INSTEAD OF IMMUNOGLOBULIN THERAPY. OMG THERE IS ACTUALLY A NEW mRNA VACCINE FOR RSV BUT LETS ATTACK THIS ANYWAY. OMG HE FORGOT THAT HE SAID WE WERE LOSING NURSING THE DAY WE LOST 2 NURSES TO COVID.
Eh, it's amusing and unimportant. They were never going to be convinced by the data no matter how compelling, as long as the data is out there for everyone else, that is all that matters.
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They do, I get a ton of private messages asking about vaccines, which to take, and thanking me for the information.
Yep, a bit too much ad hominem, but such is life on a chat board.
Well, one things for sure. No one props you up more than you prop yourself up. You love you some you.
50 out of 50
Speaking of Data.
Current Numbers Update:
Hospital system 1
Hospital A (Louisiana)
COVID Inpatients: 188
82% Unvaccinated
Total COVID Ventilator Patients: 33 of which 32 are unvaccinated (97%)
Hospital B (Alabama)
COVID Inpatients: 79
94% Unvaccinated
Total COVID Ventilator Patients: 9 of which 9 are unvaccinated (100%)
Hospital C (Mississippi)
COVID Inpatients: 19
79% Unvaccinated
Total COVID Ventilator Patients: 3 of which 3 are unvaccinated (100%)
Hospital System 2 (Louisiana Teaching Hospital, Numbers Available for Main Campus Only)
Total COVID Inpatients: 60
85% Unvaccinated
Total of COVID Ventilator Patients: 16 of which 15 are unvaccinated (94%)
Hospital System 3 (Three Hospitals, 180 Bed, 194 Bed, 80 Bed, located in Florida and Alabama)
COVID Inpatient 122
91% Unvaccinated
Total COVID Ventilator Patients: 34 of which 32 are unvaccinated (94%)
Summary
COVID Inpatients: 468
COVID Patients take up 36% of the combined total bed capacity and 51% of the combined ICU bed capacity
405 unvaccinated/63 vaccinated (87%)
COVID Ventilated Patients: 95 of which 91 are unvaccinated (96%)
Current Numbers Update:
Hospital system 1
Hospital A (Louisiana)
COVID Inpatients: 188
82% Unvaccinated
Total COVID Ventilator Patients: 33 of which 32 are unvaccinated (97%)
Hospital B (Alabama)
COVID Inpatients: 79
94% Unvaccinated
Total COVID Ventilator Patients: 9 of which 9 are unvaccinated (100%)
Hospital C (Mississippi)
COVID Inpatients: 19
79% Unvaccinated
Total COVID Ventilator Patients: 3 of which 3 are unvaccinated (100%)
Hospital System 2 (Louisiana Teaching Hospital, Numbers Available for Main Campus Only)
Total COVID Inpatients: 60
85% Unvaccinated
Total of COVID Ventilator Patients: 16 of which 15 are unvaccinated (94%)
Hospital System 3 (Three Hospitals, 180 Bed, 194 Bed, 80 Bed, located in Florida and Alabama)
COVID Inpatient 122
91% Unvaccinated
Total COVID Ventilator Patients: 34 of which 32 are unvaccinated (94%)
Summary
COVID Inpatients: 468
COVID Patients take up 36% of the combined total bed capacity and 51% of the combined ICU bed capacity
405 unvaccinated/63 vaccinated (87%)
COVID Ventilated Patients: 95 of which 91 are unvaccinated (96%)
For another hospital system I consult for in East Texas I have some interesting numbers in a way we have not looked at yet:
Total number of hospital beds in this system: 255
Total Number of COVID Positive Test Since March 2020 (Three Emergency Departments, Various Clinics they own)
15,735
Total Number of currently admitted COVID positive patients: 142
Total Number of discharged (admitted since March 2020 that have survived to hospital discharge) COVID positive patients: 1,218
Total Number of deceased COVID positive patients since March 2020 (tested positive and admitted that eventually died from COVID): 266
Mortality Rate for this system:
266/15,735=1.7%
Total number of hospital beds in this system: 255
Total Number of COVID Positive Test Since March 2020 (Three Emergency Departments, Various Clinics they own)
15,735
Total Number of currently admitted COVID positive patients: 142
Total Number of discharged (admitted since March 2020 that have survived to hospital discharge) COVID positive patients: 1,218
Total Number of deceased COVID positive patients since March 2020 (tested positive and admitted that eventually died from COVID): 266
Mortality Rate for this system:
266/15,735=1.7%
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Eh, to be fair @jfegaly @GhostOfMatchesMalone I ignore 90% of what you guys post. Occasionally, if I'm interested in what another poster was responding to when quoting something you said I'll look and, even less common, I'll respond. Given the garbage "data" tweets y'all often post and the ad hominem, a read rate of 10% and a response rate of 5% seems appropriate.
Take this one for example. I am a Navy Vet. I served with the Marines as a Marine Corp Battalion Surgeon. I did two tours of duty in combat zones. I never set foot on a ship, never attended the Naval Academy, and have never set foot w/in the city limits of Annapolis. Yet somehow this is suppose to relate to me. Ad hominem.
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How are these hospitals determining shot status?
Any staff issues we need to know about?
Incomplete data without proper context, and from someone with an admitted agenda toward the shot AND who has a history of posting incorrect information to get a 'rise' out of posters, gets ignored.
Every time.
I've been to Annapolis. Beautiful city. I wasn't Navy though (Air Force), but I did grow up a Navy brat. Did two tours in Saudi supporting no-fly zone in Southern Iraq.
Really, this question again?
Same answer, they ask the patient or the family, "Hey, did you get the vaccine or not?"
Then they tell us "yes" or "no" depending on whether they got the vaccine (yes) or didn't get the vaccine (no).
Then, if yes, we follow up with, "If you did get the vaccine, which one, and did you complete the series."
And then they answer by telling us which one and, depending on the shot, did they get "one" or "two" shots.
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This always bothers me about Texas a "red" state. If you are on life supprot and cant pay they will send you on to the glue factory.
www.liveaction.org
Patient recovers after Texas hospital activates 10-day rule to turn off life support
While Jose Cobos-Portillo was in the hospital fighting COVID, he was also fighting against the hospital that wanted to remove his life support.
www.liveaction.org
It’s interesting because there’s like 84 different ethical things in this. Were you most upset about the fact that a committee was going to make a decision to withdraw somebody from a ventilator or you must upset about the fact that a family in Mexico was forcing a hospital to continue to ventilate an illegal immigrant at the cost of probably two to $3 million in taxpayers money?This always bothers me about Texas a "red" state. If you are on life supprot and cant pay they will send you on to the glue factory.
Patient recovers after Texas hospital activates 10-day rule to turn off life support
While Jose Cobos-Portillo was in the hospital fighting COVID, he was also fighting against the hospital that wanted to remove his life support.
As for me with these Covid patients I try not to get to the point where we’re thinking about taking him off the ventilator for at least a couple of weeks. Unless there are pretty significant pre-existing comorbid conditions that impact that discussion. My own rule of thumb is I like to go at least three weeks particularly in younger healthier people and then reassess where we’re at before we start going to far down the road of withdrawal of care unless of course the patient or family pushes it before we get to that point for withdrawal of care.
I also never say guaranteed for sure I know it’s gonna happen because I’m not God and I’ve seen miracles happen before. What I do tend to tell families is the probabilities. And I can usually estimate the probability is fairly accurately after years of training and experience. So for example I might’ve told his family at the point they instituted the 10 day rule that there’s a 95% chance he’s not going to survive the hospital discharge, and it doesn’t sound like it has survived hospital discharge yet, but there is a 5% chance that he will. I Denton ask the families, hey if Jose could be a part of this discussion, what would he direct us to do? Would he want us to continue life support even though there is a 95% chance he’s not going to survive well or when he wants to continue life support to give him that 5% chance that something more miraculous will happen and he will actually completely recover to the point of hospital discharge?
You’ll get very interesting answers to that question. Notice I am not once asked them to make a medical decision I’ve simply ask them to tell me what they think Jose would want me to do for him given these odds. Based off of their response I review that is my marching orders and I either continue aggressive care as I see best or, if they choose do a drunk here, I continue to do everything I can to ensure his comfort and so souYou’ll get very interesting answers to that question. Notice I am not once asked them to make a medical decision I’ve simply ask them to tell me what they think Jose would want me to do for him given these odds. Based off of their response I review that is my marching orders and I either continue aggressive care as I see best or, if they choose do a drunk here, I continue to do everything I can to ensure his comfort until such time as God takes him.
All that said, because we spent 2/3 of our healthcare dollars keeping people alive an extra 2 to 3 months at the end of life, it is reasonable to eventually head towards a committee of doctors, nurses, chaplains, and local community representatives that typically make up an ethics committee to eventually empower them to draw some people from life-support when you’re saying 99% sure they’re not gonna get better and they are bankrupting a medical system there by taking resources away from others. Until we review healthcare for what it is, not an infinite resource but a finite resource, We will continue to bankrupt this country through healthcare cost which is even more frustrating and some instances where you’re doing it to keep an illegal immigrant alive.
All that said these are philosophical discussions which I’m happy to have it here, but at the bedside I take care of my patients as their doctor and they’re advocate while having these discussions with the family so that I can best determine what that patient wants me to either continue doing or to do to ensure comfort when the probabilities turn further and further against them.
I am pro life. You extend care until they expire or recover. Article says he was LEGAL if that matters in this situation.
I don’t recall where he said that he was legal but I didn’t read every single sentence.
curious but would you say that I’m not pro life because I take people off the ventilator and let them die naturally versus keeping them alive on the ventilator to die on the ventilator anyway two or three weeks later?
Are you pro life for the sake of just life in general or are you pro life for the sake of quality of life? Not as defined by me but as defined by the patient or the patient’s family?
I am frequently put in a position where I am prolonging somebody’s potentially agonizing death for a couple of weeks knowing that I cannot save them anyway, would you advocate to keep them on life-support to prolong their dying? How far do you carry the pro life argument?
@nail1988@nail1988
"Uncle" Phil and COVID.
I met him at the tax protest in 2001.
‘Pray for a miracle’: Phil Valentine in ‘grave condition’ amid COVID-19 battle
Conservative radio talk show host Phil Valentine remains in “grave condition” a month after being hospitalized with COVID-19, according to his family.www.wkrn.com
He did not make it. The mellifluous baritone voice is now silent. 😢
Conservative talk show host Phil Valentine dies after COVID-19 battle
Conservative radio talk show host Phil Valentine has died after weeks in a Nashville area hospital battling COVID-19.
www.wkrn.com
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Jesus. I wasn’t going after you, I was just wondering why your story changed.
Your skin is incredibly thin.
I can assure you my friend, in no way was that at all aimed at you. Apologies again if it seems so. That was strictly aimed at @jfegaly and @GhostOfMatchesMalone
Nor was I actually upset, context is hard to interpret over the internet.
Are you guys tracking which shots seem to be working better?
Meh. You were Navy. I served with airborne infantry, but that did not make me airborne infantry. So, these Navy cats are your brethren.
Just like your ad hominem bs
The NewsMax write up
www.newsmax.com
Conservative Radio Talk Show Host Phil Valentine Dies After Battling COVID
Phil Valentine, an outspoken conservative talk radio host in Nashville who was skeptical of the coronavirus vaccine, died Saturday from complications due to the novel coronavirus, radio station SuperTalk 99.7 WTN announced in a Twitter post.
I wonder if he took invermectin or not. Most of those hospital doctors will refuse to give it to you and just watch as the money flows in to the hospital when you are placed on a ventilator.The NewsMax write up
Conservative Radio Talk Show Host Phil Valentine Dies After Battling COVID
Phil Valentine, an outspoken conservative talk radio host in Nashville who was skeptical of the coronavirus vaccine, died Saturday from complications due to the novel coronavirus, radio station SuperTalk 99.7 WTN announced in a Twitter post.
@nail1988
He did not make it. The mellifluous baritone voice is now silent. 😢
Conservative talk show host Phil Valentine dies after COVID-19 battle
Conservative radio talk show host Phil Valentine has died after weeks in a Nashville area hospital battling COVID-19.
😳😪😪😪
I haven’t seen a lot of articles slamming it but I did post the fact that there is a multi center or Seebo controlled trial on going for ivermectin so we’ll find out probably in the next six months whether it really works or not. If it does, If they can prove the benefit outweighs the risk, I’ll be the first one to order it at my hospital.
Your understanding of how hospitals works amuses me.
Let’s play in your ballpark for a while. Do you know how many published research studies there have been on ivermectin worldwide?
"The Associated Press reported that talk radio host Phil Valentine, currently hospitalized with COVID-19, was taking it."
Doctors warn against taking Ivermectin for COVID-19
Ivermectin, a drug used to treat parasites in both humans and animals, has recently been tested for its efficacy as a treatment for COVID-19. But does it work?
www.wkrn.com
Jesse Jackson, Wife, Hospitalized After Testing Positive for COVID
The Rev. Jesse Jackson, 79, and his wife, Jacqueline, 77, have been hospitalized after testing positive for COVID-19.
Both vaccinated
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