Proprietary COVID-19 and Vaccine thread

[fatman76]

About 795,000 people in the US have a stroke each year.

That's 2,178 every single day.

You're pretty good at copying and pasting from 3 letter agencies' front page articles. A 50YO being hospitalized from a stroke is extremely rare.

"In 2010, hospitalization rates per 10,000 population for stroke for males and females increased with increasing patient age. For males, the rate per 10,000 ranged from 14.7 for those aged <65 years to 285.7 for those aged ≥85 years"

14.7/10k = 0.15%

This isn't perfect data, the age range is way too big. The risk for a 50YO is higher than 0.15%. But the bottom line is many stroke studies I found don't really start tracking until age 65 when the percentages increase significantly.

I'm not saying this is related to the vaccine, I'm saying telling everyone how many strokes occur in a year is worthless. We don't know, and probably won't know for sure why. We need to watch data trends on things like heart attacks, strokes and all-cause mortality over the next few years.

But a recently boosted 50YO Senator going to the hospital with a stoke is a potential data point. We shouldn't draw conclusions either way, we should just pay attention.

QuickStats: Rate* of Hospitalization for Stroke, by Sex and Age Group — National Hospital Discharge Survey, United States, 2010

www.cdc.gov

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

You're pretty good at copying and pasting from 3 letter agencies' front page articles. A 50YO being hospitalized from a stroke is extremely rare.

"In 2010, hospitalization rates per 10,000 population for stroke for males and females increased with increasing patient age. For males, the rate per 10,000 ranged from 14.7 for those aged <65 years to 285.7 for those aged ≥85 years"

14.7/10k = 0.15%

This isn't perfect data, the age range is way too big. The risk for a 50YO is higher than 0.15%. But the bottom line is many stroke studies I found don't really start tracking until age 65 when the percentages increase significantly.

I'm not saying this is related to the vaccine, I'm saying telling everyone how many strokes occur in a year is worthless. We don't know, and probably won't know for sure why. We need to watch data trends on things like heart attacks, strokes and all-cause mortality over the next few years.

But a recently boosted 50YO Senator going to the hospital with a stoke is a potential data point. We shouldn't draw conclusions either way, we should just pay attention.

QuickStats: Rate* of Hospitalization for Stroke, by Sex and Age Group — National Hospital Discharge Survey, United States, 2010

www.cdc.gov

Over 250 million Americans have received at least one dose of a COVID vaccine.

Approximately 16.5% of Americans are over 65.
We know that older people are more likely to be vaccinated.

Let’s be generous and assume that the over 65s represent 33% of people who have received a COVID shot. That leaves 67% under 65.

67% of 250 million is 167.5 million.

If there is a 0.15% risk of stroke for this population, we can expect that around 251,250 (0.15% of 167.5 million) people under 65 who have received a COVID shot will suffer a stroke.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

And to make it worse, he's joking about a man on his deathbed that very well could be an extreme adverse reaction. If it's not it's an a amazing coincidence.

I appreciate sarcasm in all of its forms, but its pretty horrible to be so callous that you can't empathize with an unborn kid who are going to lose their dad, a wife her husband, because you are so dead set in your trust of authorities who don't have a great track record on this subject.

You’re not fooling anyone with your contrived outrage.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

Johns Hopkins meta-analysis concludes that lockdowns basically don't work:

Excerpt:

“Conclusions

Overall, our meta-analysis fails to confirm that lockdowns have had a large, significant effect on mortality rates. Studies examining the relationship between lockdown strictness (based on the OxCGRT stringency index) find that the average lockdown in Europe and the United States only reduced COVID-19 mortality by 0.2% compared to a COVID-19 policy based solely on recommendations. Shelter-in-place orders (SIPOs) were also ineffective. They only reduced COVID-19 mortality by 2.9%.

Studies looking at specific NPIs (lockdown vs. no lockdown, facemasks, closing non-essential businesses, border closures, school closures, and limiting gatherings) also find no broad-based evidence of noticeable effects on COVID-19 mortality. However, closing non-essential businesses seems to have had some effect (reducing COVID-19 mortality by 10.6%), which is likely to be related to the closure of bars. Also, masks may reduce COVID-19 mortality, but there is only one study that examines universal mask mandates. The effect of border closures, school closures and limiting gatherings on COVID-19 mortality yields precision-weighted estimates of -0.1%, -4.4%, and 1.6%, respectively. Lockdowns (compared to no lockdowns) also do not reduce COVID-19 mortality."

https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

 

[fatman76]

You’re not fooling anyone with your contrived outrage.

I’m not outraged as much as put off. Things are funny because they make you uncomfortable, but certain subject matter is just poor form.

Whatever you want to believe is fine, but it doesn’t change the fact the guy is dying and maybe we try to take the high road there?

 

[fatman76]

Over 250 million Americans have received at least one dose of a COVID vaccine.

Approximately 16.5% of Americans are over 65.
We know that older people are more likely to be vaccinated.

Let’s be generous and assume that the over 65s represent 33% of people who have received a COVID shot. That leaves 67% under 65.

67% of 250 million is 167.5 million.

If there is a 0.15% risk of stroke for this population, we can expect that around 251,250 (0.15% of 167.5 million) people under 65 who have received a COVID shot will suffer a stroke.

That’s the baseline number from 2010, way before any of this, from the CDC. I cited my source like I always try to do.

You understand that, right? I never said anything about the vaccine. My point was listing the total number of strokes doesn’t mean anything.

You’re coming across a bit defensive on the subject.

 

[gatordad3]

Didn't Bill Clinton use this line?

The New "I Didn't Inhale" - Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti Claims He 'Held His Breath' When He Took a Maskless Photo with Magic Johnson (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

London Breed, Magic Johnson, Eric Garcetti It looks like Bill Clinton isn’t the only one to use the “I didn’t inhale” defense.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

Top medical journal publishes article concluding vaccine mandates not justified * WorldNetDaily * by Art Moore

The prestigious British medical journal The Lancet has published an article by a University of Colorado infectious disease scientist concluding vaccine mandates should be reconsidered in light of studies finding the vaccines are not stopping transmission of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

www.wnd.com

My son finally got the vid. My triple jabbed wife also had it. Both in mid Jan. I was sick 4 days before my wife and a week before my son. By the time our home test kits arrived I was well over whatever I had. I was sick for about 3 days. I had a headache and constantly itchy throat but no fever.

Since I didn't have anything else come up while they were coughing all over me and I was taking care of them, I probably had it first or that one jab JnJ was da bomb.

They tested positive 4 and 2 days in. We tested my son again 6 days later and he was negative. We then proceeded to our BSA camp out in 14 degree weather woo hoo!

He was better the day after he tested (day 3.) Neither ran a fever but my wife was sick for more than a week.

Dr. Marty Makary: Rehire people fired for being unvaccinated * WorldNetDaily * by Art Moore

In the wake of worker shortages, a Supreme Court ruling and the growing acknowledgment that the shots don't prevent infection, it's time to bring back workers who were fired for not being vaccinated, says Johns Hopkins professor Dr. Marty Makary.

www.wnd.com

 

[fatman76]

Top medical journal publishes article concluding vaccine mandates not justified * WorldNetDaily * by Art Moore

The prestigious British medical journal The Lancet has published an article by a University of Colorado infectious disease scientist concluding vaccine mandates should be reconsidered in light of studies finding the vaccines are not stopping transmission of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

www.wnd.com

Since I didn't have anything else come up while they were coughing all over me and I was taking care of them, I probably had it first or that one jab JnJ was da bomb.

Dr. Marty Makary: Rehire people fired for being unvaccinated * WorldNetDaily * by Art Moore

In the wake of worker shortages, a Supreme Court ruling and the growing acknowledgment that the shots don't prevent infection, it's time to bring back workers who were fired for not being vaccinated, says Johns Hopkins professor Dr. Marty Makary.

www.wnd.com

Fingers crossed! That's the one I took, and I'm done (at least until a non-spike protein vax is available, but Lorde Fauci said "we don't need another vaccine").

 

[BCSpell]

Top medical journal publishes article concluding vaccine mandates not justified * WorldNetDaily * by Art Moore

The prestigious British medical journal The Lancet has published an article by a University of Colorado infectious disease scientist concluding vaccine mandates should be reconsidered in light of studies finding the vaccines are not stopping transmission of the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

www.wnd.com

My son finally got the vid. My triple jabbed wife also had it. Both in mid Jan. I was sick 4 days before my wife and a week before my son. By the time our home test kits arrived I was well over whatever I had. I was sick for about 3 days. I had a headache and constantly itchy throat but no fever.

Since I didn't have anything else come up while they were coughing all over me and I was taking care of them, I probably had it first or that one jab JnJ was da bomb.

They tested positive 4 and 2 days in. We tested my son again 6 days later and he was negative. We then proceeded to our BSA camp out in 14 degree weather woo hoo!

He was better the day after he tested (day 3.) Neither ran a fever but my wife was sick for more than a week.

Dr. Marty Makary: Rehire people fired for being unvaccinated * WorldNetDaily * by Art Moore

In the wake of worker shortages, a Supreme Court ruling and the growing acknowledgment that the shots don't prevent infection, it's time to bring back workers who were fired for not being vaccinated, says Johns Hopkins professor Dr. Marty Makary.

www.wnd.com

My whole family had it in Jan. My oldest is on his HS swim team, so get gets tested every week. He is vaxxed but not boosted. The week he was postive, he also started with symptoms, sore throat head and body aches and fever. They lasted about 3-4 days, then he seemed fine. During this time my wife said she had symptoms for 1 day. She is vaxxed and boosted. As my oldest was getting better, my youngest and I started with symptoms. We both tested postive. We are vaxxed but not boosted. Both felt better after 3 or 4 days. Week later, oldest tested Postive again even though it had know been over 8 days of no symptoms.

 

[fatman76]

My whole family had it in Jan. My oldest is on his HS swim team, so get gets tested every week. He is vaxxed but not boosted. The week he was postive, he also started with symptoms, sore throat head and body aches and fever. They lasted about 3-4 days, then he seemed fine. During this time my wife said she had symptoms for 1 day. She is vaxxed and boosted. As my oldest was getting better, my youngest and I started with symptoms. We both tested postive. We are vaxxed but not boosted. Both felt better after 3 or 4 days. Week later, oldest tested Postive again even though it had know been over 8 days of no symptoms.

It's a weird virus.

Who knew manmade pathogens could be so unpredictable? Glad Fauci funded it so we could all find our first hand.

 

[gatordad3]

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Has anyone heard from @SORT14 and @gator1776 lately? Hope they are ok.

 

[gator1776]

Has anyone heard from @SORT14 and @gator1776 lately? Hope they are ok.

We’re both fine we just have real lives to live.

 

[instaGATOR]

We’re both fine we just have real lives to live.

Yeah, like money to bank and patients to let die untreated with low cost cures...
You know, the things that are important to medical cowards and/or corrupt doc-tors...

Friday night at 8 PM on Direct TV Channel 347, will be another encore presentation of Sen. Johnson's panel on Co-V. You should spend a little of your real life living time to find out the truth, if it doesn't cut too much into your concentration camp style hospital money....

 

[Gator Fever]

 

[instaGATOR]

Another solid reason for me and Ivermectin, instead of a poison jab....

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

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That's some next-level evil right there.

Sheep will continue snoring.

 

[fatman76]

So 10 days ago Israel approved their 4th shot, you know because the other three worked so well.

The most vaccinated country in the world (nearly 98%) has one of the highest deaths per million in the world this week.

@Uniformed_ReRe and @Illegal-shift - I need someone with better analytic skills to break this down for me. If the shots and boosters work why aren’t the shots and boosters working for the one thing we’re told they do - preventing serious illness and death?

Weekly confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people

Weekly confirmed deaths refer to the cumulative number of confirmed deaths over the previous week. Due to varying protocols and challenges in the attribution of the cause of death, the number of confirmed deaths may not accurately represent the true number of deaths caused by COVID-19.

ourworldindata.org

 

[kjfreeze]

Shaquille is my hero:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...-shaquille-oneal-rips-vaccine-mandates-video/

 

[kjfreeze]

Shouldn't it be pinned again? I guess we gotta search for it every time we want to post Covid/vacciune related material (like this thread) out of fear of getting banned, right?

 

[Gator Fever]

So 10 days ago Israel approved their 4th shot, you know because the other three worked so well.

The most vaccinated country in the world (nearly 98%) has one of the highest deaths per million in the world this week.

@Uniformed_ReRe and @Illegal-shift - I need someone with better analytic skills to break this down for me. If the shots and boosters work why aren’t the shots and boosters working for the one thing we’re told they do - preventing serious illness and death?

Weekly confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people

Weekly confirmed deaths refer to the cumulative number of confirmed deaths over the previous week. Due to varying protocols and challenges in the attribution of the cause of death, the number of confirmed deaths may not accurately represent the true number of deaths caused by COVID-19.

ourworldindata.org

Yep I see the new narrative in the US after their previous lies is now headlines claiming it's mostly just a surge of the non boosted and just printing fraudulent numbers as usual. Rogan really tore them up when he rattled off all their previous headlines of fake news.

 

[fatman76]

Yep I see the new narrative in the US after their previous lies is now headlines claiming it's mostly just a surge of the non boosted and just printing fraudulent numbers as usual. Rogan really tore them up when he rattled off all their previous headlines of fake news.

Data points, because I'm keeping score and the shot cheerleaders are not:
1) Denmark study shows negative efficacy for the boosters in the 90-150 day window. It was shocking.
2) Scottish Health Authorities release hospitalization and case data that shows much higher hospitalizations and cases per 100k for the boosted and vaxxed vs the unvaxxed.
3) UK data shows the same a few days later.
4) Now, the most vaccinated country in the world - Israel has lead the world since the beginning - is showing the highest per capita death rates of any major country in the world less than two weeks after they approved the second booster.

Is this the beginning of the entire narrative totally unraveling? Stay tuned. I don't know how anyone can spin this Israel data, my guess is the media won't even try.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Data points, because I'm keeping score and the shot cheerleaders are not:
1) Denmark study shows negative efficacy for the boosters in the 90-150 day window. It was shocking.
2) Scottish Health Authorities release hospitalization and case data that shows much higher hospitalizations and cases per 100k for the boosted and vaxxed vs the unvaxxed.
3) UK data shows the same a few days later.
4) Now, the most vaccinated country in the world - Israel has lead the world since the beginning - is showing the highest per capita death rates of any major country in the world less than two weeks after they approved the second booster.

Is this the beginning of the entire narrative totally unraveling? Stay tuned. I don't know how anyone can spin this Israel data, my guess is the media won't even try.

The fact that life insurance companies aren't paying out policies for the vaxxxed should have been the eye opener for the cheerleaders.

 

[fatman76]

The fact that life insurance companies aren't paying out policies for the vaxxxed should have been the eye opener for the cheerleaders.

Our friends are really quiet…

 

[Gator Fever]

Records reveal Chinese government performed anal swab COVID-19 tests on US diplomatic officials

U.S. diplomatic officials in China were asked to submit to anal swab COVID-19 testing by the Chinese government, according to records from the U.S. Department of State.

www.foxnews.com

Maybe I shouldn't find this funny.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Our friends are really quiet…

Sheep are remarkable creatures, totally impervious to facts and the truth.

These same posters are currently watching a massive winter storm grip the country, while they truly believe in their bones that the planet is on fire.

Remarkable.

 

[Gator Fever]

Sheep are remarkable creatures, totally impervious to facts and the truth.

These same posters are currently watching a massive winter storm grip the country, while they truly believe in their bones that the planet is on fire.

Remarkable.

I think we might finally be seeing a little change going forward with all the hysteria on this. A couple of Indies I know who fully bought into all the mask and vaccine stuff seemed to mostly agree with me now it was all mostly BS and they wont be taking any boosters. I still do see like 40% of the people masked at the Publix I go to but I assume most of them lean to the left or have a health issue and it makes them feel like they have protection with it when they actually don't.

 

[fatman76]

I think we might finally be seeing a little change going forward with all the hysteria on this. A couple of Indies I know who fully bought into all the mask and vaccine stuff seemed to mostly agree with me now it was all mostly BS and they wont be taking any boosters. I still do see like 40% of the people masked at the Publix I go to but I assume most of them lean to the left or have a health issue and it makes them feel like they have protection with it when they actually don't.

Yep, most lefties are waking up.

When all their boosted friends are getting Covid despite "doing everything right" it tends to shake them up.

I have a lawyer buddy in OKC and he had an absolute meltdown about his fully vaxxed 12YO daughter getting a symptomatic case on a group text. He's crazy enough that I can almost guarantee you they wore masks inside until she got her shots.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Yep, most lefties are waking up.

When all their boosted friends are getting Covid despite "doing everything right" it tends to shake them up.

I have a lawyer buddy in OKC and he had an absolute meltdown about his fully vaxxed 12YO daughter getting a symptomatic case on a group text. He's crazy enough that I can almost guarantee you they wore masks inside until she got her shots.

I hope you are right, but I'm not seeing it. I mean, most libs literally put their health at risk the last couple of years just cause mama government told them to.

I sadly think most of them are too far gone. They are literally brainwashed at this point. 5 years ago I thought it was only a matter of time before most of them woke up,

Now, I don't think most of them ever will.

 

[Gator Fever]

If Trump is smart he will only talk about the vaccine when he has to when asked and keep stressing its your choice. He has to know his base wants no part of the mess.

 

[Illegal-shift]

So 10 days ago Israel approved their 4th shot, you know because the other three worked so well.

The most vaccinated country in the world (nearly 98%) has one of the highest deaths per million in the world this week.

@Uniformed_ReRe and @Illegal-shift - I need someone with better analytic skills to break this down for me. If the shots and boosters work why aren’t the shots and boosters working for the one thing we’re told they do - preventing serious illness and death?

Weekly confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people

Weekly confirmed deaths refer to the cumulative number of confirmed deaths over the previous week. Due to varying protocols and challenges in the attribution of the cause of death, the number of confirmed deaths may not accurately represent the true number of deaths caused by COVID-19.

ourworldindata.org

Total cumulative Covid deaths per million....from same website and countries you picked:

Brazil 2,940
US 2,678
Italy 2,440
UK 2,310
Russ 2,230
S Afr 1,587
Swed 1,571

And Israel........961

In other words, Israel appears to doing something that is giving them a MUCH better death result than most countries. Wonder what it is?

Or, you can look at a chart that reflects that Israel has had a better weekly result than most of these countries every week for the last couple years.....but has a spike for one single week.......and somehow conclude its bad news for the vaccine.

You can't make this shit up.

Now consider how much better the US would have done if we achieved the same % results as Israel. Do the math, its really sad.

If you wonder how misinformation travels.......its through people with this kind of analytical ability. That's as politely as I can say it.

 

[instaGATOR]

Now consider how much better the US would have done if we achieved the same % results as Israel. Do the math, its really sad.

If you wonder how misinformation travels.......its through people with this kind of analytical ability. That's as politely as I can say it.

No, think how much better everyone in the world would have done if Ivermectin and HCQ had been used early, instead of waiting until they were in ICU's dying without it.

And neither of those are killing people that have used them,,,, like me and my spouse, and my relatives, all of us not taking the poison jabs and not needing a hospital...

Tonight in about 40 minutes you can watch Sen. Johnson's Co-V 'A 2nd Opinion' panel.
Why don't you watch it and learn something useful,,,, for a change.
Direct TV Channel 347.

 

[ghost_of_ukalum1988]

Yep I see the new narrative in the US after their previous lies is now headlines claiming it's mostly just a surge of the non boosted and just printing fraudulent numbers as usual. Rogan really tore them up when he rattled off all their previous headlines of fake news.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

If you wonder how misinformation travels.......its through people with this kind of analytical ability. That's as politely as I can say it.

If 98% of the country is 'vaccinated' then there should be almost no deaths from covid IF the 'vaccine' works.

Since Israel, with 98% of the population 'vaccinated' is currently seeing a massive spike in covid deaths and has for a few weeks now (we can read the site too, can you?) then that means there are only two possibilities:

1 - The shots don't work
2 - The shots actually give you covid

Only two possibilities. Stop being a blind shot cheerleader.

 

[Gator Fever]

If 98% of the country is 'vaccinated' then there should be almost no deaths from covid IF the 'vaccine' works.

Since Israel, with 98% of the population 'vaccinated' is currently seeing a massive spike in covid deaths and has for a few weeks now (we can read the site too, can you?) then that means there are only two possibilities:

1 - The shots don't work
2 - The shots actually give you covid

Only two possibilities. Stop being a blind shot cheerleader.

These trash vaccine shots are now making people less able to fight Covid variants naturally it appears. My guess is the more shots you take the more it will hurt the body's natural defenses. Curious to see if it will lower natural immunity to non-Covid viruses in the future also besides the other damage it has done.

 

[instaGATOR]

The only sovereign I can allow to rule me is reason.
The first law of reason is this: what exist, exists; what is, is.
From this irreducible, bedrock principle, all knowledge is built.
This is the foundation from which life is embraced.
Reason is a choice.

Wishes and whims are not facts, nor are they a means for discovering them.
Reason is our only way of grasping reality, it's our basic tool of survival.
We are free to evade the effort of thinking, to reject reason, but we are not free to avoid the the penalty of the abyss we refuse to see.

In the current DC swamp, ordinary people who have never before acted violently, could, in the right circumstances, be incited to great brutality. With the way they view humankind as sinful, wretched, and evil, it is only a small step more to actually doing evil. After all, any evil they might do, they have already rationalized as being predestined by what they view as human being's inescapable nature.....
=====

The above excerpts (with some slight adjustments for context from the iG) are the words of Terry Goodkind, in his NY Times bestseller 'Faith of the Fallen.

The Constitution was written to circumvent people in power from rejecting reason and going down an evil path. And that is why the truly evil want to destroy it.
Those of us that have given our Sacred Oath to defend it, won't allow them to do so, no matter what it takes....

 

[instaGATOR]

No trouble at all finding it everyday, and it's on page 116 and still growing.

Proprietary COVID-19 and Vaccine thread

About 795,000 people in the US have a stroke each year. That's 2,178 every single day. You're pretty good at copying and pasting from 3 letter agencies' front page articles. A 50YO being hospitalized from a stroke is extremely rare. "In 2010, hospitalization rates per 10,000 population for...

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[fatman76]

Total cumulative Covid deaths per million....from same website and countries you picked:

Brazil 2,940
US 2,678
Italy 2,440
UK 2,310
Russ 2,230
S Afr 1,587
Swed 1,571

And Israel........961

In other words, Israel appears to doing something that is giving them a MUCH better death result than most countries. Wonder what it is?

Or, you can look at a chart that reflects that Israel has had a better weekly result than most of these countries every week for the last couple years.....but has a spike for one single week.......and somehow conclude its bad news for the vaccine.

You can't make this shit up.

Now consider how much better the US would have done if we achieved the same % results as Israel. Do the math, its really sad.

If you wonder how misinformation travels.......its through people with this kind of analytical ability. That's as politely as I can say it.

Your intellectual hybris is showing again.

It was #1 earlier in the week and #2 after the US released its data. The US vax rates aren’t terrible either. We are in the mid 60% range with 75%+ at least partially vaccinated. The US also counts Covid deaths differently than Israel, but you already knew that.

Why is it surging in Israel? Because the studies and data you keep ignoring show that the vaccines work really well for about 45-90 days. Then it reverses. That’s what is happening now, you’re actually proving it with your argument.

Using cumulative data would hide this, and again it’s ignoring the point.

So. Let me ask you a simple question. If the vaccines work so well why would a 98% vaxxed and boosted country be anywhere near the top of the list? Shouldn’t deaths be lowest in the world for ALL weeks?

 

[fatman76]

Shouldn't it be pinned again? I guess we gotta search for it every time we want to post Covid/vacciune related material (like this thread) out of fear of getting banned, right?

I’ll do my best to keep it at the top.