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That mess with the defense department, Fauci and the research looks really bad and Fauci's spin job on it was literally pathetic and just dodging the Senators questions. It sounds like this clown was turned down on gain of function research by them and went and did it anyway through another route and they had the correspondence hidden on it.
 
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That mess with the defense department, Fauci and the research looks really bad and Fauci's spin job on it was literally pathetic and just dodging the Senators questions. It sounds like this clown was turned down on gain of function research by them and went and did it anyway through another route and they had the correspondence hidden on it.
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That and their attack on medical professionals from Harvard, Stanford and Oxford who authored the Great Barrington Declaration was particularly bad.

Basically Collins instructed Fauci to kill it and his reply was a hit piece he did in Wired magazine outlining what a bad idea it was. It just shows Collins and Fauci are politicians first and would not be deterred from locking the country down.

(The GBD is basically calling for "focused protection". You vaccinate and protect those with known serious and multiple comorbidities and you let the rest of the population take less severe mitigation measures. I think we know now that it's alot smarter and more effective than wide scale mandates and lock downs)
gbdeclaration.org

Great Barrington Declaration and Petition

As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection
gbdeclaration.org gbdeclaration.org
 
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CFAGator said:
HotAir is run by conservative blogger Ed Morrisey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Morrissey). And you seem to be ignoring the fact that Fox News had the same exact take on the Walensky interview as HotAir.
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Never heard of him. Which means the credible journalists and reporters I follow aren't referencing his work, which tells me all I need to know.

Have heard of Fox News. It's the channel run by Rupert Murdock's two crazy libber sons, and RINO Paul Ryan. I'm sure you love them...as long as they are pushing a narrative you agree with.
 
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Sounds like the CDC idiots are soon to tell people to wear N95 masks all day if they physically can. These people are complete morons.
 
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fatman76 said:
If you don’t understand scale you shouldn’t be arguing statistics with dumb Marketing people.

You must be in the group that falls for news fear porn reports that say “the unvaxxed are 4 times more likely to die from Coronavirus than the vaxxed” without ever being told what the actual risk numbers are.

If you’re scared of 0.004% increased risk I don’t know what to tell you. The bottom line is, and this is a good news, people aren’t dying from this virus at even a fraction of the rate they were last year regardless of vaccination status. Add in the fact we know that we record deaths “with” the virus and it’s even less risky.

Stay safe brother. I’m just trying to get you to think critically and question things.
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Sorry, it’s more like 4X. That’s why you are in marketing, but I’m not easily sold on BS. statistics., since I used to prepare them.
 
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gator1776 said:
The Butchers Bill

Locally:
We now have 313 COVID positive admissions across the system



Hospital A (Louisiana where I work)

Census: 476

Available Non-COVID Med/Surg Beds: 32

Available ICUs: 4

COVID Unit Census: 194

COVID Unit beds available: 12

ED visits: 130

FED visits: 94

Confirmed COVID positive inpatients – 197 (159 unvaccinated)



Hospital B (Alabama)

Census: 183 (including 19 holding in ER/FED)

Available Non-COVID Med/Surg Beds: 0

Available ICUs: 2 SICU

COVID Unit Census: 92

COVID Unit beds available: 0

ED visits: 61

FED visits: 92

Confirmed COVID positive inpatients – 95 (85 unvaccinated)



Hospital C (Mississippi)

Census: 49 (MedSurg 25 / ICU 5 / L&D 0 / SBH 14) ** 5 patients boarding in ED**

Available Non-COVID beds: 0

Available ICU beds: 0

COVID Unit census: 18

COVID Unit beds available: 0

ED visits: 49

Confirmed COVID positive inpatients: 21 (17 unvaccinated)
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The question of the year is...how many came to the hospital BECAUSE of covid? Especially this new strain (hard to call a glorified cold a strain) Maybe you get your info from our liberal supreme court justice Sotomeyer? LOL
 
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fatman76 said:
So please interpret the data for us (I stated I copied and pasted this BTW).

But tell us what we’re missing. I’m all ears.

Thanks in advance.
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OK, well, glad your all ears because this is a mess. First, and this is just commentary, you should know that worldwide data is the worst possible resource for this stuff. Places like Africa don't even have functioning systems to report information in most of the continent. South America? Do you trust China's numbers? And they have a huge chunk of the worlds population. Worldwide info is incredibly difficult to gather and should be taken with a grain of salt at most...….unless, of course, you think it supports your argument. (spoiler alert - it doesn't).

So lets get to the tangible issues with the data analysis. First, you, or whoever did this, misinterpreted the years. You state your 2020 population number is at the end of 2020....its not. Its the beginning of 2020.....which sorta destroys the whole argument by itself.....but it gets worse. How do I know its wrong? Well.....go to the info, I found the exact numbers used and they ALREADY have the population for 2022 listed. So obviously since we are 11 days in they wouldn't have that unless they are going by the beginning of the year. And the numbers reflect a roughly 80 million difference going back to 2021 and 2020, etc. So unless you already think we gained 80M in population in the last 11 days its clear they are using the numbers as of the beginning of the year. So that renders your conclusions useless from the get go.

But that's not the worst part. These numbers are all just "projected" numbers. Their last real estimate was 2018. They state on the site that 2019 forward is just projected. So its just numbers based on formula's and nothing real so its likely they have not even factored Covid in. Which all makes a lot of sense when you consider how difficult a task it would be to gather information around the world to try and estimate this stuff.

I don't know exactly where the death numbers came from but I did find some numbers that are very similar that are also projected and without Covid even factored in.

And that doesn't touch several other parts of the analysis that you would have needed anyway to make the data meaningful.

Here is what the world health organization says :

While 1,813,188 COVID-19 deaths were reported in 2020,
recent WHO estimates suggest an
excess mortality of at least 3,000,000.

In case you don't know what excess mortality means.....is the amount of people who died in excess of what they expected. (Excess mortality is the overall number of deaths from all possible causes, beyond what would have been expected in normal conditions). Which falls in line with CDC data that says a similar thing with regard to the US (which would be, at a minimum, much more reliable than any "whole world" analysis). Last year sometime I went back and looked at this and you could even trace excess deaths in NY to the time the pandemic hit and even in Florida once it made its way down......the excess deaths followed the Covid surge. Of course, maybe those body bags in NY just had rocks in them and not corpses, who knows.

But, then, we all know the CDC and WHO are organizations who can't be trusted because they are in bed with big Pharma or China or maybe it was Bill Gates. Instead we will rely on the type of analysis where you can find massive errors in both process and logic in less than 30 minutes of analysis.

SMDH. Another fine example of the spreading of misinformation that is perpetuated by people with an agenda upon the people who aren't astute enough to realize its all bullshit.
 
Good medical news:
The Common Cold has disappeared.
The Seasonal Flu has also disappeared.

The IMPORTANT question that is never answered by the many predatory capitalist doc-tor QUACKS 😷.

Now, how many hospitalizations have resulted from those on the FLCCC.com Ivermectin Protocols? (not me or a sibling, and no one that I know of)

Treatment Protocols

Prevention and treatment protocols for COVID, Flu and RSV.
covid19criticalcare.com covid19criticalcare.com
 
BSC911 said:
Sorry, it’s more like 4X. That’s why you are in marketing, but I’m not easily sold on BS. statistics., since I used to prepare them.
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I said “4 times”. But you make a good point, I worded that post terribly. 0.004% is the absolute value of deaths per 100k, not the increase in risk.

The bottom line is the absolute risk is extremely small. That actually matters. Relative risk is always something you should consider, but you have to step back and consider what the absolute risk actually is.

Would you agree that 4 per 100k is good news compared to where we were a year ago? Does that statistic make you feel that in general New Yorkers are doing very well avoiding death from Covid?
 
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fatman76 said:
I said “4 times”. But you make a good point, I worded that post terribly. 0.004% is the absolute value of deaths per 100k, not the increase in risk.

The bottom line is the absolute risk is extremely small. That actually matters. Relative risk is always something you should consider, but you have to step back and consider what the absolute risk actually is.

Would you agree that 4 per 100k is good news compared to where we were a year ago? Does that statistic make you feel that in general New Yorkers are doing very well avoiding death from Covid?
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Of course. Much better. But you need to add hospitalizations. In total, I’d say this is a pretty significant pandemic. The risk depends on your health.

BTW, it’s actually 8X more.
 
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Key points in this memo from the WHO:

To that aim, COVID-19 vaccines need to:
  • be based on strains that are genetically and antigenically close to the circulating SARS-CoV-2 variant(s);
  • in addition to protection against severe disease and death, be more effective in protection against infection thus lowering community transmission and the need for stringent and broad-reaching public health and social measures;
  • elicit immune responses that are broad, strong, and long-lasting in order to reduce the need for successive booster doses.

Interim Statement on COVID-19 vaccines in the context of the circulation of the Omicron SARS-CoV-2 Variant from the WHO Technical Advisory Group on COVID-19 Vaccine Composition (TAG-CO-VAC)

Key messages: WHO has established the Technical Advisory Group on COVID-19 Vaccine Composition (TAG-CO-VAC) to review and assess the public health implications of emerging SARS-CoV-2 Variants of Concern (VOC) on the performance of COVID-19 vaccines and to provide recommendations to WHO on...
www.who.int www.who.int

It's almost like the WHO is admitting these vaccines don't work very well and they seem to be asking for Boosters to be reduced or stopped.

Another nick in the "settled science"? Feels like the WHO might be finally coming around...
 
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OK, well, glad your all ears because this is a mess. First, and this is just commentary, you should know that worldwide data is the worst possible resource for this stuff. Places like Africa don't even have functioning systems to report information in most of the continent. South America? Do you trust China's numbers? And they have a huge chunk of the worlds population. Worldwide info is incredibly difficult to gather and should be taken with a grain of salt at most...….unless, of course, you think it supports your argument. (spoiler alert - it doesn't).

So lets get to the tangible issues with the data analysis. First, you, or whoever did this, misinterpreted the years. You state your 2020 population number is at the end of 2020....its not. Its the beginning of 2020.....which sorta destroys the whole argument by itself.....but it gets worse. How do I know its wrong? Well.....go to the info, I found the exact numbers used and they ALREADY have the population for 2022 listed. So obviously since we are 11 days in they wouldn't have that unless they are going by the beginning of the year. And the numbers reflect a roughly 80 million difference going back to 2021 and 2020, etc. So unless you already think we gained 80M in population in the last 11 days its clear they are using the numbers as of the beginning of the year. So that renders your conclusions useless from the get go.

But that's not the worst part. These numbers are all just "projected" numbers. Their last real estimate was 2018. They state on the site that 2019 forward is just projected. So its just numbers based on formula's and nothing real so its likely they have not even factored Covid in. Which all makes a lot of sense when you consider how difficult a task it would be to gather information around the world to try and estimate this stuff.

I don't know exactly where the death numbers came from but I did find some numbers that are very similar that are also projected and without Covid even factored in.

And that doesn't touch several other parts of the analysis that you would have needed anyway to make the data meaningful.

Here is what the world health organization says :

While 1,813,188 COVID-19 deaths were reported in 2020,
recent WHO estimates suggest an
excess mortality of at least 3,000,000.

In case you don't know what excess mortality means.....is the amount of people who died in excess of what they expected. (Excess mortality is the overall number of deaths from all possible causes, beyond what would have been expected in normal conditions). Which falls in line with CDC data that says a similar thing with regard to the US (which would be, at a minimum, much more reliable than any "whole world" analysis). Last year sometime I went back and looked at this and you could even trace excess deaths in NY to the time the pandemic hit and even in Florida once it made its way down......the excess deaths followed the Covid surge. Of course, maybe those body bags in NY just had rocks in them and not corpses, who knows.

But, then, we all know the CDC and WHO are organizations who can't be trusted because they are in bed with big Pharma or China or maybe it was Bill Gates. Instead we will rely on the type of analysis where you can find massive errors in both process and logic in less than 30 minutes of analysis.

SMDH. Another fine example of the spreading of misinformation that is perpetuated by people with an agenda upon the people who aren't astute enough to realize its all bullshit.
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You either refuse to or just flat out can't read. I prefaced my post that I didn't do the research nor had I checked it. And I'm not an expert on world population numbers.

I think the author isn't trying to make the point no one died, he's trying to make the point that the entire world freaked out and locked down but on the bigger scale the impact wasn't as severe as the reaction. He noticed people weren't dropping dead around him and started to ask questions.

And I wouldn't use our death numbers as proof of anything - going back to when we used to hear from Dr. Birx we were told any death WITH Covid was counted as a Covid death. We know now hospitals get financial incentives for Covid deaths. Guy is critically injured in a car wreck? Well test him he might have Covid. And why not? We'd all do the same, hospitals need money to operate. That's not to say we didn't lose hundreds of thousands of people. Clearly we did. I just don't think we're the worst in the world at fighting this.

Now, back to the article. Here is the "source" material for the paragraphs I copied and pasted. It's a blog post from a 21 year Canadian Mountie who's being forced out because he won't get the shot(s), not a policy document. I think I made it clear I got it from a substack post. I never said it was gospel, just an interesting perspective.
factnest.com

RCMP officer on unpaid leave pens emotional covid-19 letter

"I've served in the RCMP for 21 years and one of the first things I said to any person I ever arrested was 'you don't have to say anything to me.' Unfortunately, our government has told me that I have to tell them what's in my body, and if
factnest.com factnest.com

You said you found "the exact same data" and it listed 2022 which proved you count world pop numbers at the beginning of a year not the end. That's really odd, because I found this data which matches to the number and it doesn't, it stops at 2020. Care to post a link to what you found? Note that the numbers in my link are EXACTLY the same as his.
www.worldometers.info

World Population by Year - Worldometer

Population growth through history from 5000 BC to the current year (2024) for the entire population of the world
www.worldometers.info www.worldometers.info

Now, for the death data. Scroll down to the deaths chart. Move your little cursor over to the corresponding year (2018, 2019 and 2020) and what do you know...it's exactly the same numbers the author used. Shocker, I know. I'm shook too.
ourworldindata.org

How many people die and how many are born each year?

Changes in the world population are determined by two metrics: the number of babies born and the number of people dying.
ourworldindata.org ourworldindata.org

I'm not saying you have to agree or disagree with any conclusion he made, but I find it interesting I spent 10 minutes on Google and proved you're likely totally FOS. The numbers are easy to find and estimates from non-biased sources. I'm sure if I took the time I'd discover that the author indeed can divide two numbers, and we did see no change in overall death rate for three years starting in 2018. If that's meaningless to you feel free to move on and ignore it. Or read his post and perhaps consider an alternative position. Or simply reply and tell me you're done with all of this for the 8th time, I honestly couldn't care less.

Assuming you wouldn't dare read this man's opinion for fear your head might explode, I'll copy one more paragraph in the hopes you'll read it. I think it sums up how so many of the people that disagree with your blind acceptance feel.

"Before I go, let me say this. Don’t be afraid. The government, and their mouthpieces in the mainstream media, have promoted a nonstop campaign of fear for almost 2 years now. Turn off your television and radios. Do your own research and question everything. Knowledge begins with asking questions. With each new variant, they will try and frighten you, despite the fact that never in the history of virology has a virus ever mutated to become more deadly. Selective pressures always favour a more contagious, but less deadly mutation. The new “scariant” is Omicron. They don’t tell you that they skipped Mu and Xi in the Greek alphabet. Why? Because Mu or Xi just don’t sound scary. When you hear some braindead parrot repeat the talking point “trust the science,” politely ask them to provide a definition of science. They never can because they don’t know. What they are really saying, but are too stupid to realize, is that they are saying “trust authority and don’t ask questions.” This, my friends, is the antithesis of science."
 
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Conclusions:​


Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8248252/
 
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Conclusions:​


Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified.


In summary, based on the totality of the trials and epidemiologic evidence presented in this review along with the preliminary findings of the Unitaid/WHO meta-analysis of treatment RCTs and the guideline recommendation from the international BIRD conference, ivermectin should be globally and systematically deployed in the prevention and treatment of COVID-19.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19

After COVID-19 emerged on U.S shores, providers began reviewing the emerging basic science, translational, and clinical data to identify potentially effective treatment options. In addition, a multitude of both novel and repurposed therapeutic agents ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
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Gator Fever said:
The horse paste works good also. I think It cost $ 7.99 when I had to get some when I got Covid some months back.
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That's crazy fever, there is a list of doctors that will prescribe it for you over the phone at the FLCCC.com site.
There is also a list of Pharmacy's that have it in stock.
Easy Peasy...
 
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DCandtheUTBand said:
Is this the final pivot from Lord Fauci

www.wkrn.com

Fauci: Omicron will infect ‘just about everybody’

Infectious disease expert and White House chief medical adviser Anthony Fauci said Tuesday that “just about everybody” will eventually be infected with the omicron variant of the coronavirus.
www.wkrn.com www.wkrn.com
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What a farking clown show this guy is, as is our response in general.

Now they are going to tell us all to wear N95 masks which are expensive and totally ineffective unless fitted properly to a shaved face (and aren’t very effective even then).
 
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Dr Faulty: Omicron will infect "just about everybody," except for that stoned-out dude over there sleeping in the corner.... 😁
 
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