Proprietary COVID-19 and Vaccine thread

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Single factor analysis, especially one driven by polls (which you claim to hate) isn't conclusive.

For example, check the obesity heat map. Sort of aligns with the political leanings by state, no? Obesity, as we know, is a massive comorbidity problem correlating with bad Covid outcomes.

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

Also might imply that fat, unhealthy people are not getting vaccinated at the same rate as thinner healthy people, but you've already ruled that out.

New Adult Obesity Maps

Obesity remains high, varies, by state, and affects some groups more than others.

www.cdc.gov

Another statistical analysis that flies in the face of this one is below...global statistical analysis of 145 countries found that the COVID vaccines cause more COVID cases per million (+38% in US) and more deaths per million associated with COVID (+31% in US). But I'm sure someone of your intellect can shoot holes in this analysis.

https://vector-news.github.io/editorials/CausalAnalysisReport_html.html

Love how the shot cheerleaders are always dishonest with this. Fatasses lecturing the rest of us on taking a shot if we want to survive covid.

 

[BSC911]

Single factor analysis, especially one driven by polls (which you claim to hate) isn't conclusive.

For example, check the obesity heat map. Sort of aligns with the political leanings by state, no? Obesity, as we know, is a massive comorbidity problem correlating with bad Covid outcomes.

Science | AAAS

www.science.org

Also might imply that fat, unhealthy people are not getting vaccinated at the same rate as thinner healthy people, but you've already ruled that out.

New Adult Obesity Maps

Obesity remains high, varies, by state, and affects some groups more than others.

www.cdc.gov

Another statistical analysis that flies in the face of this one is below...global statistical analysis of 145 countries found that the COVID vaccines cause more COVID cases per million (+38% in US) and more deaths per million associated with COVID (+31% in US). But I'm sure someone of your intellect can shoot holes in this analysis.

https://vector-news.github.io/editorials/CausalAnalysisReport_html.html

Well one thing for sure is that Trumpers are likely to be fatter and unhealthy. You can tell that from the rallies.

As for as your last link, I don't think I'll waste my time since it seems like nonsense on its face. You guys tend to fall for a bunch of misleading information. A statistical analysis cant determine that vaccines cause more cases or deaths. Only a doctor can do that.

But you do you. As I've said, I don't care what you do and I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything. Especially if they won't even recognize that older and unhealthier people are more likely to vaccinate.

 

[GatorTrooper]

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

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So they are again admitting it's all a hoax. See, @sadgator?

Some of us called this 18 months ago. Remember when @gator1776 lost his shit when I pointed out that the CDC's own site said only 6% of deaths were FROM covid? I cut and pasted the CDC site and he still claimed it was a lie.

The media spin all along has been that perfectly healthy people were catching covid and dying within hours. This is intentional to put emotional sheep into a state of panic.

The truth is this: 94% of covid deaths were people that had at least ONE health issue. 75% of them had FOUR OR MORE.

IOW, Covid is bad for people that already had underlying health issues. Just like most any virus is.

If you're healthy, you have almost nothing to worry about covid.

So why were people like @gator1776 pushing the fear? Why the dishonesty?

 

[fatman76]

Well one thing for sure is that Trumpers are likely to be fatter and unhealthy. You can tell that from the rallies.

As for as your last link, I don't think I'll waste my time since it seems like nonsense on its face. You guys tend to fall for a bunch of misleading information. A statistical analysis cant determine that vaccines cause more cases or deaths. Only a doctor can do that.

But you do you. As I've said, I don't care what you do and I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything. Especially if they won't even recognize that older and unhealthier people are more likely to vaccinate.

Your response is an amazing view into how the liberal mind works.

First off, you start by reiterating a fact I proved in my reply. If you look at the map about 70% of the top 12 most obese states are red or purple states. I guess it makes you feel smarter to reiterate things?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
But what's funny is this disproves either vaccine efficacy or your claim that fat and unhealthy people are vaxxed at a higher rate...and you totally missed that. You don't get to have it both ways - either the fat Trumpers in red states are dying at a higher rate because they won't take the vaccine and believe "disinformation", or the vaccines aren't stopping death even in a population that you claim is vaxxed at a higher rate. One or the other please...

Then, after you expect me to read and agree with a biased report from a left wing news outlet, I provide an unbiased quantitative review of very similar inputs from a much broader area that you refuse to even open and look at because it might cause you some cognitive dissonance to even consider it, and we can't have any of that.

Lastly, you gaslight by accusing me (via inference) of giving medical advice when all I'm doing is pointing the folly in single factor causal analysis...and showing alternative ways to examine the key questions about the subject at hand.

Its like a Don Lemon segment wrapped into three tidy little paragraphs.

Well done, you can go home for the day. Liberal agenda achieved for Monday, January 10th.

 

[fatman76]

@Illegal-shift

You might want to watch this. Real health care professionals giving their stories without any spin.

 

[CFAGator]

So they are again admitting it's all a hoax. See, @sadgator?

Some of us called this 18 months ago. Remember when @gator1776 lost his shit when I pointed out that the CDC's own site said only 6% of deaths were FROM covid? I cut and pasted the CDC site and he still claimed it was a lie.

The media spin all along has been that perfectly healthy people were catching covid and dying within hours. This is intentional to put emotional sheep into a state of panic.

The truth is this: 94% of covid deaths were people that had at least ONE health issue. 75% of them had FOUR OR MORE.

IOW, Covid is bad for people that already had underlying health issues. Just like most any virus is.

If you're healthy, you have almost nothing to worry about covid.

So why were people like @gator1776 pushing the fear? Why the dishonesty?

"But Walensky wasn’t talking about all COVID deaths. She was talking about COVID deaths among the vaccinated. She was referring to this study published by the CDC on Friday, the same day she gave the interview above.
Out of 1.2 million vaccinated people, just 36 died. That’s .003 percent, a phenomenal survival rate. Of those 36, slightly more than three-quarters had four comorbidities. Which is to say, even if you have three comorbidities, getting vaxxed all but guarantees that you won’t die if you’re infected."

No, the CDC chief didn't say that 75% of all COVID deaths involved four comorbidities

hotair.com

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

"But Walensky wasn’t talking about all COVID deaths. She was talking about COVID deaths among the vaccinated. She was referring to this study published by the CDC on Friday, the same day she gave the interview above.
Out of 1.2 million vaccinated people, just 36 died. That’s .003 percent, a phenomenal survival rate. Of those 36, slightly more than three-quarters had four comorbidities. Which is to say, even if you have three comorbidities, getting vaxxed all but guarantees that you won’t die if you’re infected."

No, the CDC chief didn't say that 75% of all COVID deaths involved four comorbidities

hotair.com

SMDH

So don't believe what the CDC Director actually said, believe a lefty website's INTERPRETATION of what she really meant.

And also believe that a 'lifelong republican' gets his information from alt left blogs.

Because.

 

[CFAGator]

SMDH

So don't believe what the CDC Director actually said, believe a lefty website's INTERPRETATION of what she really meant.

And also believe that a 'lifelong republican' gets his information from alt left blogs.

Because.

Not surprising that you commented without actually watching the interview. She was specifically asked about the study:

ABC "GOOD MORNING AMERICA" HOST: I want to ask you about the encouraging headlines we're talking about this morning, a new studying talking about just how well vaccines are working to prevent severe illness. Given that, is it time to rethink how we're living with this virus if it is potentially here to stay?

CDC DIRECTOR ROCHELLE WALENSKY: The overwhelming number of deaths, over 75%, occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities. So really these are people who were unwell to begin with.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

Not surprising that you commented without actually watching the interview. She was specifically asked about the study:

ABC "GOOD MORNING AMERICA" HOST: I want to ask you about the encouraging headlines we're talking about this morning, a new studying talking about just how well vaccines are working to prevent severe illness. Given that, is it time to rethink how we're living with this virus if it is potentially here to stay?

CDC DIRECTOR ROCHELLE WALENSKY: The overwhelming number of deaths, over 75%, occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities. So really these are people who were unwell to begin with.

Ghost has been known to post links to articles that directly undermine whatever his argument is because he rarely reads past the (usually inflammatory/conspiratorial) headlines.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Not surprising that you commented without actually watching the interview. She was specifically asked about the study:

I did watch the interview. The GMA chick mentioned the study, the CDC director did not.

But keep carrying water for the dems. Don't all 'lifelong republicans' do this?

 

[CFAGator]

I did watch the interview. The GMA chick mentioned the study, the CDC director did not.

But keep carrying water for the dems. Don't all 'lifelong republicans' do this?

So you're saying the host asked the CDC director about the study that was released that day from the CDC, she then responded with a stat directly from that same CDC study that was referring to deaths among the vaccinated people in the study, and you're still going to stick with your story that she was referring to all Covid deaths?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

So you're saying the host asked the CDC director about the study that was released that day from the CDC, she then responded with a stat directly from that same CDC study that was referring to deaths among the vaccinated people in the study, and you're still going to stick with your story that she was referring to all Covid deaths?

I'm going off what the CDC Director actually said.

You're saying you had to be told what to think about that same clip. By an alt-left blog, no less.

BTW, I think that's the first time anyone here has been bold enough to reference HotAir as a source. I'm not surprised that it came from a 'lifelong republican'.

 

[CFAGator]

I'm going off what the CDC Director actually said.

You're saying you had to be told what to think about that same clip. By an alt-left blog, no less.

BTW, I think that's the first time anyone here has been bold enough to reference HotAir as a source. I'm not surprised that it came from a 'lifelong republican'.

I honestly had never heard of Hot Air before looking for a link to the interview, is it even a far left website? It looks like they have articles criticizing both sides. A quick search even shows that it's owned by Townhall Media, who also owns far right websites like Red State and Bearing Arms.

Townhall Media, an affiliate of Salem Media Group, is a political publisher at the forefront of national discussion with commentary and analysis from a right-of-center perspective. https://townhallmedia.com/

 

[CFAGator]

Something is fvcky with the CDC study...in 10 months they found 36 vaccinated deaths

But according to this story, there were 20k breakthrough cases and 70 deaths in the vaccinated in one state in a week...

Doesn't add up.

20,247 New Breakthrough Cases in Mass., 70 More Deaths in Vaccinated People

Massachusetts health officials on Tuesday reported more than 20,000 new breakthrough COVID cases over the past week and 70 more deaths. In the last week, 20,247 new breakthrough cases — infections in people who have been vaccinated — were reported, with 353 more vaccinated people hospitalized...

www.nbcboston.com

Pretty sure the study was just conducted on about 1 million participants. It wasn't an analysis of all cases, just a smaller subset so they could look into each case more closely.

 

[fatman76]

I honestly had never heard of Hot Air before looking for a link to the interview, is it even a far left website? It looks like they have articles criticizing both sides. A quick search even shows that it's owned by Townhall Media, who also owns far right websites like Red State and Bearing Arms.

Townhall Media, an affiliate of Salem Media Group, is a political publisher at the forefront of national discussion with commentary and analysis from a right-of-center perspective. https://townhallmedia.com/

Dude, the first paragraph is dripping with distaste for the unwashed conservatives...you can't tell me you actually read that article and thought it was "down the middle".

Furthermore you can tell by the ridiculous math the author used to prove how "protected" the vaccinated are:
"Out of 1.2 million vaccinated people, just 36 died. That’s .003 percent, a phenomenal survival rate."

He's calculating mortality rate from the entire vaccinated population and not those who got infected. It's nonsense and wholly unscientific.

I agree, the comment wasn't contextualized by the interviewer or the interviewee very well (one word would have fixed it) and it was pounced on but this article is biased AF.

 

[fatman76]

Pretty sure the study was just conducted on about 1 million participants. It wasn't an analysis of all cases, just a smaller subset so they could look into each case more closely.

That was a shitpost by me and I tried to delete it. You're quick!


that's what she said

 

[CFAGator]

Dude, the first paragraph is dripping with distaste for the unwashed conservatives...you can't tell me you actually read that article and thought it was "down the middle".

Furthermore you can tell by the ridiculous math the author used to prove how "protected" the vaccinated are:
"Out of 1.2 million vaccinated people, just 36 died. That’s .003 percent, a phenomenal survival rate."

He's calculating mortality rate from the entire vaccinated population and not those who got infected. It's nonsense and wholly unscientific.

I agree, the comment wasn't contextualized by the interviewer or the interviewee very well (one word would have fixed it) and it was pounced on but this article is biased AF.

I didn't say the article was down the middle, just questioned whether the website was a far left website since they seem to have articles going after both sides, and are owned by Townhall which runs other far right websites.

Regardless if some of the commentary in the article leans left, the facts in the article are pretty cut and dry. She obviously was not talking about all Covid cases, and was specifically talking about the vaccinated people in the study that she was directly asked about.

 

[CFAGator]

Even Fox News is saying she was talking about vaccinated people in the study:

Walensky relayed study showing more than 75 percent of vaccinated individuals who died from coronavirus had at least four combordities

CDC director's ABC News interview remarks about COVID-19 victims with 'comorbidities' spark confusion | Fox News

Walensky relayed study showing more than 75 percent of vaccinated individuals who died from coronavirus had at least four comorbidities

www.foxnews.com

​

 

[gatordad3]

 

[fatman76]

I didn't say the article was down the middle, just questioned whether the website was a far left website since they seem to have articles going after both sides, and are owned by Townhall which runs other far right websites.

Regardless if some of the commentary in the article leans left, the facts in the article are pretty cut and dry. She obviously was not talking about all Covid cases, and was specifically talking about the vaccinated people in the study that she was directly asked about.

I didn’t argue that point. I did argue she wasn’t clear at all in how she answered the question (nor how it was asked).

 

[fatman76]

Even Fox News is saying she was talking about vaccinated people in the study:

Walensky relayed study showing more than 75 percent of vaccinated individuals who died from coronavirus had at least four combordities

CDC director's ABC News interview remarks about COVID-19 victims with 'comorbidities' spark confusion | Fox News

Walensky relayed study showing more than 75 percent of vaccinated individuals who died from coronavirus had at least four comorbidities

www.foxnews.com

​

You’ll have to keep me informed on Fox. Other than the occasional clip on the internet I turned Fox off on Nov 3, 2020 and won’t ever watch again.

 

[fatman76]

Looks like a manufacturer of IVM is working on a long term injection to battle Covid. Weird move for something that doesn’t work.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I hope they are ok. Keep us posted.

Just talked to his wife, he's in the hospital with covid. He's been in the hospital for a week, and appears to be slowly getting better.

She also got covid but recovered in 3 days.

Both fully vaxxxed. The husband was due to get a booster the day he was diagnosed with covid.

 

[fatman76]

Just talked to his wife, he's in the hospital with covid. He's been in the hospital for a week, and appears to be slowly getting better.

She also got covid but recovered in 3 days.

Both fully vaxxxed. The husband was due to get a booster the day he was diagnosed with covid.

Sucks to be in the hospital for a week. Let us know the good news when he gets out soon. Is he intubated?

My player’s dad who came down with Guillaine Barre three days after his booster was transferred to a rehab facility 2 days ago. He was at UVA for 19 days. He’s walking with a walker now and even jokingly threw an apple at his wife yesterday. He’s in decent spirits.

We’re all taking turns making the boys dinner while she stays up there with him. They are great kids, always come out and talk to us when we drop off. Sounds like he may not play this season, I don’t think he can wrap his head around the grind with his dad sick and I don’t want to press.

 

[BSC911]

Your response is an amazing view into how the liberal mind works.

First off, you start by reiterating a fact I proved in my reply. If you look at the map about 70% of the top 12 most obese states are red or purple states. I guess it makes you feel smarter to reiterate things?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
But what's funny is this disproves either vaccine efficacy or your claim that fat and unhealthy people are vaxxed at a higher rate...and you totally missed that. You don't get to have it both ways - either the fat Trumpers in red states are dying at a higher rate because they won't take the vaccine and believe "disinformation", or the vaccines aren't stopping death even in a population that you claim is vaxxed at a higher rate. One or the other please...

Then, after you expect me to read and agree with a biased report from a left wing news outlet, I provide an unbiased quantitative review of very similar inputs from a much broader area that you refuse to even open and look at because it might cause you some cognitive dissonance to even consider it, and we can't have any of that.

Lastly, you gaslight by accusing me (via inference) of giving medical advice when all I'm doing is pointing the folly in single factor causal analysis...and showing alternative ways to examine the key questions about the subject at hand.

Its like a Don Lemon segment wrapped into three tidy little paragraphs.

Well done, you can go home for the day. Liberal agenda achieved for Monday, January 10th.

Who are you trying to convince, me or yourself.

You’ll have to keep me informed on Fox. Other than the occasional clip on the internet I turned Fox off on Nov 3, 2020 and won’t ever watch again.

Awww. Did they hurt your feeling by correctly calling the election?

 

[BSC911]

Let’s take a look at who’s being hospitalized.

What vaccination does is radically reduce the chance of severe Covid illness. Look how different these charts on hospitalizations looks from the previous charts on cases:​

​ Data is age adjusted. Recent data may be incomplete.Sources: New York City Department of Health, Washington Department of Health​

(The number of Americans hospitalized with Covid has surpassed last winter’s peak.)​

Some experts believe that the hospitalization gap between the vaccinated and unvaccinated is even larger than these charts suggest. The official data on Covid hospitalizations includes many people who are hospitalized for other reasons — say, a heart condition or a bicycle crash — and who test positive for the virus while being treated.​

About one-third of Covid hospitalizations fall into this category, according to a recent analysis at the University of California, San Francisco. In New York State, 43 percent of people hospitalized with Covid were admitted for other reasons.​

It’s true that some of these incidental Covid hospitalizations still cause problems. The virus can harm people whose bodies are weakened by other medical conditions, and all Covid cases put added stress on hospitals, because patients must be isolated. (“Hospitals are in serious trouble,” Ed Yong writes in The Atlantic.)​

Still, many incidental Covid cases in hospitals do not present much risk to the infected person. And Omicron is so contagious that it has infected many vaccinated people, likely inflating the hospitalization numbers more than previous variants have.​

​ The death gap​

The data on deaths from New York and Seattle underscores the relatively low risks for vaccinated people. These numbers show a starker gap between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated than the hospitalization data:​

​ Data is age adjusted. Recent data may be incomplete.Sources: New York City Department of Health, Washington Department of Health​

One caveat is death trends tend to lag case trends by about three weeks. In coming weeks, deaths among the vaccinated will almost certainly rise, given how sharply cases have risen. These deaths will likely be concentrated among people in vulnerable health, including the elderly and those with a serious underlying medical condition like a previous organ transplant — especially if they’re not boosted.​

This likelihood — along with the problem of overwhelmed hospitals — is one of the strongest arguments for taking steps to reduce the size of the current Omicron wave. More vaccine mandates and indoor mask wearing can help reduce cases and, by extension, deaths, experts say.​

But the early data raises the possibility that the increase in deaths among the vaccinated will remain relatively modest. The gap in the mortality charts above can’t merely be a reflection of the lag between the cases and deaths. After all, deaths among unvaccinated New Yorkers and Seattleites had already begun to surge in December. Deaths among the vaccinated had not.​

(In Boston and Chicago, Covid deaths have also risen, these charts show.)​

​ The bottom line​

Vaccination remains highly effective at preventing severe Covid illnesses. And Omicron is milder than earlier versions of the virus. The combination means that most Americans — including children and vaccinated adults — face little personal risk from Omicron.​

The risk is not zero, to be clear, even among people who are generally healthy. But it is very small. Every day, people live with small risks, be they from the seasonal flu and other illnesses or from riding in a vehicle, playing sports or other activities.​

For the unvaccinated, the situation is very different. Omicron is still severe enough that it will lead to debilitating illness and death for many unvaccinated people. In much of the U.S., a large number of adults — including older adults — remain unvaccinated:​

​ Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention​

​ ​

 

[fatman76]

Interesting data points I found in a Substack. I won't trigger anyone by telling where it's from, and I need to look into these numbers to verify them, but if true it's pretty surprising.

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Look at world population statistics. Here’s a sample.

• At the end of 2018, the world population was 7,631,091,040 and that year 57,625,149 people died. This showed an overall death rate of .76%. I know some of you are shocked by this, but yes, 57 million people died of all types of causes in 2018. When you reach the end of your life, you die.
• At the end of 2019, the world population was 7,713,468,100 and 58,394,378 died. Naturally, because we had more people reaching the end of their lives, more people died. The death rate that year was .76%.

Now let’s see what 2020 brought us. The year of the pandemic.

• At the end of 2020, the world population was 7,794,798,739 and 59,230,795 died. The death rate was .76%. Yes. That’s right. In the year of the deadly pandemic the world’s population grew by 81,330,639 people and the death rate did not change by even a hundredth of a percent. The media never once pulled back the lens to show this, they continued to show the narrow focus of case counts and Covid deaths. Even going so far as to change causes of death so that someone who died “with” Covid in their system was counted as someone who died “of” Covid. The Western world shut down over a disease about as deadly as the common flu. And our rights were shut down along with it.

Despite this disease having a non existent effect on the overall death rate of the world’s population the call came out for a mass vaccination.

 

[fatman76]

Let’s take a look at who’s being hospitalized.

What vaccination does is radically reduce the chance of severe Covid illness. Look how different these charts on hospitalizations looks from the previous charts on cases:​

​ Data is age adjusted. Recent data may be incomplete.Sources: New York City Department of Health, Washington Department of Health​

(The number of Americans hospitalized with Covid has surpassed last winter’s peak.)​

Some experts believe that the hospitalization gap between the vaccinated and unvaccinated is even larger than these charts suggest. The official data on Covid hospitalizations includes many people who are hospitalized for other reasons — say, a heart condition or a bicycle crash — and who test positive for the virus while being treated.​

About one-third of Covid hospitalizations fall into this category, according to a recent analysis at the University of California, San Francisco. In New York State, 43 percent of people hospitalized with Covid were admitted for other reasons.​

It’s true that some of these incidental Covid hospitalizations still cause problems. The virus can harm people whose bodies are weakened by other medical conditions, and all Covid cases put added stress on hospitals, because patients must be isolated. (“Hospitals are in serious trouble,” Ed Yong writes in The Atlantic.)​

Still, many incidental Covid cases in hospitals do not present much risk to the infected person. And Omicron is so contagious that it has infected many vaccinated people, likely inflating the hospitalization numbers more than previous variants have.​

​ The death gap​

The data on deaths from New York and Seattle underscores the relatively low risks for vaccinated people. These numbers show a starker gap between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated than the hospitalization data:​

​ Data is age adjusted. Recent data may be incomplete.Sources: New York City Department of Health, Washington Department of Health​

One caveat is death trends tend to lag case trends by about three weeks. In coming weeks, deaths among the vaccinated will almost certainly rise, given how sharply cases have risen. These deaths will likely be concentrated among people in vulnerable health, including the elderly and those with a serious underlying medical condition like a previous organ transplant — especially if they’re not boosted.​

This likelihood — along with the problem of overwhelmed hospitals — is one of the strongest arguments for taking steps to reduce the size of the current Omicron wave. More vaccine mandates and indoor mask wearing can help reduce cases and, by extension, deaths, experts say.​

But the early data raises the possibility that the increase in deaths among the vaccinated will remain relatively modest. The gap in the mortality charts above can’t merely be a reflection of the lag between the cases and deaths. After all, deaths among unvaccinated New Yorkers and Seattleites had already begun to surge in December. Deaths among the vaccinated had not.​

(In Boston and Chicago, Covid deaths have also risen, these charts show.)​

​ The bottom line​

Vaccination remains highly effective at preventing severe Covid illnesses. And Omicron is milder than earlier versions of the virus. The combination means that most Americans — including children and vaccinated adults — face little personal risk from Omicron.​

The risk is not zero, to be clear, even among people who are generally healthy. But it is very small. Every day, people live with small risks, be they from the seasonal flu and other illnesses or from riding in a vehicle, playing sports or other activities.​

For the unvaccinated, the situation is very different. Omicron is still severe enough that it will lead to debilitating illness and death for many unvaccinated people. In much of the U.S., a large number of adults — including older adults — remain unvaccinated:​

​ Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention​

​ Related​

In Portugal, one of the most vaccinated countries, Covid deaths have not risen much even as cases have surged, notes Dr. Eric Topol of Scripps Research. The trends are similar in other parts of Europe. The situation looks worse in the U.S., partly because vaccination rates are lower than in Europe, David Wallace-Wells of New York Magazine writes.

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Thanks for posting the entire NY Times front page?

Again, you're looking at one specific stat and clutching your pearls. What if I said this just proves healthier people are getting vaxxed and getting the double benefit of being healthy and having antibodies? It's the fat, hypertensive and generally unhealthy that aren't getting the shot and are getting sicker. Do you have anything you can provide to disprove that?

Secondly, look at the absolute value of the numbers. Two of the absolute worst hospitalization rates in the country are two of the most tightly controlled w/vaccine mandates to participate in society - DC (122 per 100k) and NY (80 per 100k). But think about your absolute risk of being hospitalized - at worst it's 0.12%. And the death rate is even more incredible...the NYT is telling us 4 out of 100k are dying now (that's 0.004%).

Now I know this is absolute and not relative, but even so your odds of being unvaxxed in NY and dying - while it looks scary on a comparative chart - is as close to zero as it can get.

I'm not sure what you thought this proved, but I'm not convinced.

source for additional state comparison claim (note: these number differ from the NYT number, not sure why):

States ranked by COVID-19 hospitalization rates

New daily COVID-19 hospitalization rates in the U.S. have decreased 8 percent over the last two weeks, though 25 states are still seeing hospitalization rates trend upward, according to data tracked by The New York Times.

www.beckershospitalreview.com

 

[BSC911]

So you're saying the host asked the CDC director about the study that was released that day from the CDC, she then responded with a stat directly from that same CDC study that was referring to deaths among the vaccinated people in the study, and you're still going to stick with your story that she was referring to all Covid deaths?

The thing is, the guy you are talking to knows it’s not true. He intentionally lies just to push some agenda. This is the guy that said Covid was no worse than a cold and people weren’t really dying. This is why nobody other than the echo chamber even bothers to respond to him any more. It’s fruitless.

Best to just ignore him.

 

[BSC911]

Thanks for posting the entire NY Times front page?

Again, you're looking at one specific stat and clutching your pearls. What if I said this just proves healthier people are getting vaxxed and getting the double benefit of being healthy and having antibodies? It's the fat, hypertensive and generally unhealthy that aren't getting the shot and are getting sicker. Do you have anything you can provide to disprove that?

Secondly, look at the absolute value of the numbers. Two of the absolute worst hospitalization rates in the country are two of the most tightly controlled w/vaccine mandates to participate in society - DC (122 per 100k) and NY (80 per 100k). But think about your absolute risk of being hospitalized - at worst it's 0.12%. And the death rate is even more incredible...the NYT is telling us 4 out of 100k are dying now (that's 0.004%).

Now I know this is absolute and not relative, but even so your odds of being unvaxxed in NY and dying - while it looks scary on a comparative chart - is as close to zero as it can get.

I'm not sure what you thought this proved, but I'm not convinced.

source for additional state comparison claim (note: these number differ from the NYT number, not sure why):

States ranked by COVID-19 hospitalization rates

New daily COVID-19 hospitalization rates in the U.S. have decreased 8 percent over the last two weeks, though 25 states are still seeing hospitalization rates trend upward, according to data tracked by The New York Times.

www.beckershospitalreview.com

Fixed. State rankings are meaningless. I don’t understand why you can’t see this.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I didn’t argue that point. I did argue she wasn’t clear at all in how she answered the question (nor how it was asked).

But thank goodness we have blogs to let the vaxxx truthers know what she really meant and ignore what she actually said.

I remember a time when tweets and blogs weren't considered credible sources by the shot cheerleaders. It was 2021.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Sucks to be in the hospital for a week. Let us know the good news when he gets out soon. Is he intubated?

My player’s dad who came down with Guillaine Barre three days after his booster was transferred to a rehab facility 2 days ago. He was at UVA for 19 days. He’s walking with a walker now and even jokingly threw an apple at his wife yesterday. He’s in decent spirits.

We’re all taking turns making the boys dinner while she stays up there with him. They are great kids, always come out and talk to us when we drop off. Sounds like he may not play this season, I don’t think he can wrap his head around the grind with his dad sick and I don’t want to press.

No ventilator, thank goodness. Hope the dad recovers completely, he should, shouldn't he? I'm sadly not up on all the horrible side affects from these shots.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Thanks for posting the entire NY Times front page?

Holy shit, he really did! LMAO! How the hell does @BSC911 screw up even cut and paste that badly?

I mean as much practice as he's had over the years of stealing other people's thoughts as his own, you'd think he'd be better at it by now.

 

[CFAGator]

But thank goodness we have blogs to let the vaxxx truthers know what she really meant and ignore what she actually said.

I remember a time when tweets and blogs weren't considered credible sources by the shot cheerleaders. It was 2021.

HotAir is run by conservative blogger Ed Morrisey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Morrissey). And you seem to be ignoring the fact that Fox News had the same exact take on the Walensky interview as HotAir.

 

[BSC911]

Thanks for posting the entire NY Times front page?

Again, you're looking at one specific stat and clutching your pearls. What if I said this just proves healthier people are getting vaxxed and getting the double benefit of being healthy and having antibodies? It's the fat, hypertensive and generally unhealthy that aren't getting the shot and are getting sicker. Do you have anything you can provide to disprove that?

Secondly, look at the absolute value of the numbers. Two of the absolute worst hospitalization rates in the country are two of the most tightly controlled w/vaccine mandates to participate in society - DC (122 per 100k) and NY (80 per 100k). But think about your absolute risk of being hospitalized - at worst it's 0.12%. And the death rate is even more incredible...the NYT is telling us 4 out of 100k are dying now (that's 0.004%).

Now I know this is absolute and not relative, but even so your odds of being unvaxxed in NY and dying - while it looks scary on a comparative chart - is as close to zero as it can get.

I'm not sure what you thought this proved, but I'm not convinced.

source for additional state comparison claim (note: these number differ from the NYT number, not sure why):

States ranked by COVID-19 hospitalization rates

New daily COVID-19 hospitalization rates in the U.S. have decreased 8 percent over the last two weeks, though 25 states are still seeing hospitalization rates trend upward, according to data tracked by The New York Times.

www.beckershospitalreview.com

BTW, if you don't think comparing hospitalization and death rates between the vaxxed and unvaxxed is meaningful then you are beyond help. It's not a political issue.

 

[Illegal-shift]

Interesting data points I found in a Substack. I won't trigger anyone by telling where it's from, and I need to look into these numbers to verify them, but if true it's pretty surprising.

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Look at world population statistics. Here’s a sample.

• At the end of 2018, the world population was 7,631,091,040 and that year 57,625,149 people died. This showed an overall death rate of .76%. I know some of you are shocked by this, but yes, 57 million people died of all types of causes in 2018. When you reach the end of your life, you die.
• At the end of 2019, the world population was 7,713,468,100 and 58,394,378 died. Naturally, because we had more people reaching the end of their lives, more people died. The death rate that year was .76%.

Now let’s see what 2020 brought us. The year of the pandemic.

• At the end of 2020, the world population was 7,794,798,739 and 59,230,795 died. The death rate was .76%. Yes. That’s right. In the year of the deadly pandemic the world’s population grew by 81,330,639 people and the death rate did not change by even a hundredth of a percent. The media never once pulled back the lens to show this, they continued to show the narrow focus of case counts and Covid deaths. Even going so far as to change causes of death so that someone who died “with” Covid in their system was counted as someone who died “of” Covid. The Western world shut down over a disease about as deadly as the common flu. And our rights were shut down along with it.

Despite this disease having a non existent effect on the overall death rate of the world’s population the call came out for a mass vaccination.

Still not sure whether you are just extraordinarily bad at interpreting data or you intentionally try to mislead....or both. The reason you don't hear more about this from the media is because most of them aren't idiots.

 

[fatman76]

BTW, if you don't think comparing hospitalization and death rates between the vaxxed and unvaxxed is meaningful then you are beyond help. It's not a political issue.

If you don’t understand scale you shouldn’t be arguing statistics with dumb Marketing people.

You must be in the group that falls for news fear porn reports that say “the unvaxxed are 4 times more likely to die from Coronavirus than the vaxxed” without ever being told what the actual risk numbers are.

If you’re scared of 0.004% increased risk I don’t know what to tell you. The bottom line is, and this is a good news, people aren’t dying from this virus at even a fraction of the rate they were last year regardless of vaccination status. Add in the fact we know that we record deaths “with” the virus and it’s even less risky.

Stay safe brother. I’m just trying to get you to think critically and question things.

 

[fatman76]

Still not sure whether you are just extraordinarily bad at interpreting data or you intentionally try to mislead....or both. The reason you don't hear more about this from the media is because most of them aren't idiots.

So please interpret the data for us (I stated I copied and pasted this BTW).

But tell us what we’re missing. I’m all ears.

Thanks in advance.

 

[fatman76]

No ventilator, thank goodness. Hope the dad recovers completely, he should, shouldn't he? I'm sadly not up on all the horrible side affects from these shots.

Not qualified to answer - only to hope and pray he’s ok.