Good god you noles are a special kind of stupid. I will try and type very slowly for you....you said Ole Miss always has been a second tier team, although they are force fed on us....Clemson is the same,,,,every year we hear about how this is the year clemson is going to win a title of some kind and every year clemson ends up being a second tier team....
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Um, so you're comparing them? If Clemson is a "second tier" team then I would imagine Ole Miss is a third or fourth tier team. Barring a meltdown, Clemson will likely finish ranked in the top 15 for a 4th straight year. They are significantly better than Ole Miss.
For the record Ole Miss has 3 national titles and Clemson has one. Also keep in mind that Clemson bought their title and Ole Miss earned theirs.
If I said "the Dallas Cowboys have also been force fed on us", would I be comparing them to Clemson or Ole Miss? No, no I wouldn't. I would simply be saying the the two entities have been force fed on us.
I'm not sure what the big debate is about. Top to bottom the SEC is a better conference than the ACC. The ACC is currently a 2-trick pony in FSU and Clemson.
That said, each conference has two teams each with CFP realistic hopes.
ACC = Clemson & FSU
*SEC = LSU & Bama (although Bama's loss to Ole Miss is looking worse each week)
*caveat, UF wins out they're in (obviously)
That said, each conference has two teams each with CFP realistic hopes.
ACC = Clemson & FSU
*SEC = LSU & Bama (although Bama's loss to Ole Miss is looking worse each week)
*caveat, UF wins out they're in (obviously)
Realistically, all of the teams you mentioned have to win out, so the SEC has three.
You said ole miss has been forced down our throats. So has clemson. You said ole miss is a second tier team, guess what, so is clemson. Clemson has 1 AP top 10 finish in the last 25 years, so does Ole Miss. Clemson has also benefited from playing in a weak conference. I see no difference in those schools. Do you get it now? Probably not. Plan B's are tough to educate. Hell, I will even throw Georgia in there, although they do have a few more top 10's than Clemson and Ole Miss' combined 2 in the past 25 years.
Someone else said that about Ole Miss. Clemson has won 3 straight bowl games vs. LSU, Ohio State, and Oklahoma. Not sure they've been forced down peoples throats so much as they've been fielding good teams as of late. They're working on their 4th straight top 15 season.
I don't argue that, just going with current picture and UF is out of the Top 10.
Understood, consider however that the 3 schools they beat probably didn't take Clemson seriously. I know LSU players were bitterly disappointed about being sent to the Peach Bowl as they wanted to go to the Cotton Bowl and play OU. Also who gives a f*uck about top 15 ? If CLM doesn't win the National Title in the next 2 seasons I hope he is terminated.
How so? One thing I've learned from my posting time here is that teams do not benefit from a weaker schedule. It's been argued (ad nauseum) that teams who play "untested" throughout the year tend to falter come season's end. See FSU's NC record (3-6) for case/point. The weekly grind of the SEC better prepares teams. By that logic, if Clemson were to have played in the SEC they could have potentially doubled the scores vs OSU, OU, and LSU....heck, they'd have probably even picked up some "quality losses" along the way to those bowl games which could have catapulted them up the rankings!
Thank goodness we have playoffs now. We will figure out who is best and we won't have to argue it. For the record, sadgator thinks OSU is best and they will be so until beaten. sadgator suspects that neither UF nor FSU will be in the playoff, for what it's worth.
Baylor is smoke and mirrors! They have a SoS of 105th or some bs and yea they have got an explosive O, but a putrid TCU like (well not that bad D). They ran everyone in the BIG12 out a few years ago & then got beatup by freaking UCF in the Fiesta Bowl. Can see it again once they play a team with a real D. Maybe Oklahoma can step up as they are the only ones with a decent D in that conference.
Nole Fan I agree about Baylor's schedule, it's horrible. However not sure they will lose a game this year before the playoffs. I hope I'm wrong as I feel they are a fraud and don't deserve to be in the playoffs.
FSU fans may want to take a harder look at what they have with their own team before labeling others.
Agree with above post. Ole Miss is hard to figure as they have some great players but still find ways to lose games they should win. It could be youth, injuries or maybe coaching idk.
Do not worry as FSU opens with Ole Miss in Orlando in 10 months. We will get revenge for you guys lol
What does that even mean? Are you trying to say that FSU sux? I mean the Noles have not lost a regular season game since 2012, but whatever. It seems FSU is only a win at top 5 Clemson away from another playoff appearance..
Bowl games are hit and miss. There are times a team is pumped to go then others who had their sights set higher and the season turned sour. You know that. But my point to a weaker schedule is they could win games that would put them in a position to be ranked higher at the end of the year. 9-3 and you may be ranked, 6-6 and you are playing UF in Shreveport. I see no difference in Ole Miss and Clemson. Put them together in the same conference and they probably have nearly identical records. Maybe this is the year Clemson gets the Noles, but my money is still on FSU.How so? One thing I've learned from my posting time here is that teams do not benefit from a weaker schedule. It's been argued (ad nauseum) that teams who play "untested" throughout the year tend to falter come season's end. See FSU's NC record (3-6) for case/point. The weekly grind of the SEC better prepares teams. By that logic, if Clemson were to have played in the SEC they could have potentially doubled the scores vs OSU, OU, and LSU....heck, they'd have probably even picked up some "quality losses" along the way to those bowl games which could have catapulted them up the rankings!
Not going to disagree with you, but if you guys had 5 turnovers, 3 of which were basically unforced, and Ole Miss had 0, they would beat you in Tally too. They are over rated, but they aren't horrible. Sometimes it happens.
Not necessarily as FSU had 5 turnovers at home vs Florida in 2014, but still won. I never said they are horrible. Just that they should not have sniffed the top 10 imo.
Thank you for taking the time to spell things out using clear language and simple words. Us Nolies really appreciate the special treatment we receive here.
I mean '15 FSU has never, at any point this year, looked like a Top 10 team, much less a playoff team. And it hasn't been top 25 teams making you look bad.
If only Vandy had a decent kicker they might have beaten Ole Miss at Ole Miss this season.
This is true. I don't think FSU makes the playoffs. We don't look much better than 2013 and we're down one star QB.
However, I can't say that I'm upset being 34-1 with 3 ACC titles, 1 National Championship, 1 Heisman winner, 1 CFP appearance, and being 7-0 vs our biggest rivals since losing to UF in November 2012. Maybe losing to you guys was just the kick in the junk we needed.
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You don't have took like a top 10 team....all you have to do is be better the the team across from you on 12 saturdays.
Sounds simple but so far only a dozen or so teams have done that and we're only 1/2 through.
Right now FSU doesn't need to be better then anyone but GT (who has housed the last two SEC teams they have faced)
Sounds simple but so far only a dozen or so teams have done that and we're only 1/2 through.
Right now FSU doesn't need to be better then anyone but GT (who has housed the last two SEC teams they have faced)
The only team that could give Baylor a run is TCU, who is missing 5 of their defensive starters. Baylor has no defense and basically plays on the idea they're going to outscore you, which they have obviously been doing. If they had a team with decent defense on their schedule, it might be a different story. Unfortunately, I don't see OU, TCU or Okie State standing in Baylor's way.
You are overlooking one important fact. You aren't making the playoff of 4 with a loss............and Clemson isn't the one you need to worry about.
FSU also isn't cutting to the front of the line after 1 win and then turning around and following up a 28 point conference loss with a loss to Memphis. If Ole Miss wants big boy rankings they can take big boy criticism. No one would stick up for FSU if they lost to Memphis.
Id put money on Baylor.. I don't think Baylor is the best team in the country, but from a X and O standpoint they would beat bama... Bama has not been very good against spread teams.. yes they be A&M but 3 pick 6's helped that.. Henry would have a field day against Baylors D but I don't think bama could stop Baylors offense.. same goes for TCU, not the better team but matches up better with the spread offense and a running QB
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