I hope you are right about rolling Vandy but I have a feeling they will hang in there for a while with it being our 2nd straight road game. I agree even if we do roll them it doesn't man a lot until we play LSU and show we can score on them and not go into a shell.
Nussmeier lost this game, period. End of story
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I hope you are right about rolling Vandy but I have a feeling they will hang in there for a while with it being our 2nd straight road game. I agree even if we do roll them it doesn't man a lot until we play LSU and show we can score on them and not go into a shell.
So being 1-5 against ranked opponents means nothing? The fact that yesterday was only one of several times the offense looked without a gameplan? Like ooz, not say the guy should be fired, but these guys are looking very Muschamp-esque. Going forward we need to do something against the better teams. And in year two, Urban won a NC. Just sayin'
I really am interested to see how this develops. Ghost insisted that last year was Mac's year like Muschamp's 2012 where everything bounced our way and make things look better than they were
Well, not ready to pass judgement on the coaching staff. Hard to tell if they are any good, as the East has been pretty bad. Still a great chance we can go 7-1 in conference play.
In addition to being only 1-5 against ranked teams we are only 3-5 against teams with a winning record. So we get housed by anybody ranked and can only beat .500 teams at a below average clip. Beyond all that though the most concerning thing is the fact that we hired an offensive HC whose offense to date has never been good. We've literally had 2 great offensive performances in 18 games, Ole Miss last year and UK this year. Usually when you hire a guy whose expertise is one side of the ball that side of the ball typically excels even if other parts of the team bomb. We saw that with Muschamp and his defense and we see that with coaches like Leach, Kingsbury, Rich Rod, etc. whose offenses excel even when every other part of the team is a disaster.
Like I said before he certainly deserves the chance to have a complete roster in there and turn things around but there are certainly tons of troubling signs. Mediocre recruiting, sloppy and undisciplined play, losing to ranked teams by an average of 18 ppg, etc. The issue with yesterday wasn't the fact that we lost as disappointing as that was, it's how we lost. Coaching decisions threw away a three TD lead, that's just unacceptable.
Like I said before he certainly deserves the chance to have a complete roster in there and turn things around but there are certainly tons of troubling signs. Mediocre recruiting, sloppy and undisciplined play, losing to ranked teams by an average of 18 ppg, etc. The issue with yesterday wasn't the fact that we lost as disappointing as that was, it's how we lost. Coaching decisions threw away a three TD lead, that's just unacceptable.
I assume you guys are using rankings that were only valid at the time of the games, considering both Ole Miss and UT were ranked last year.
None of the doom and gloom guys seem to want to understand that of those games we lost last year and this, all of them, ALL OF THEM, were with back-up QB.
We did not lose to UT last night due to QB play. That was mostly on the defense first and poor second half play calling second. But the poor performance in all four losses last year can be laid at the feet of poor QB play.
We did not lose to UT last night due to QB play. That was mostly on the defense first and poor second half play calling second. But the poor performance in all four losses last year can be laid at the feet of poor QB play.
Its doom and gloom to point out facts? That's exactly my point about any criticism being stifled with "doom and gloom you want the coaches fired!" nonsense. Funny enough, you guys seem to always forget that the offenses didn't look all that great either with the starting QB's. We had our starting QB when we struggled to score 24 against Umass and only had 19 against North Texas through three and a half quarters. Rain and vanilla playbooks were the excuses then. Good coaches make due with what they have.
Rankings at time of game. If we use final rankings the record is 2-4.
And that's my point.
Let's also not forget that despite Richt getting fired, UGA won its bowl game and went 10-3 yet weren't ranked when we played them nor at the end of the year for some reason.
So you can look at it however you like but stats, as always, can be manipulated however they best for your argument.
UGA wasn't ranked because they beat something like 3 teams with a winning record, they beat no one of consequence and lost to every ranked team they played. And we also beat them when they inexplicably played their 3rd string QB. So if we get to use the excuse that our record against ranked opponents doesn't count because we're playing with a backup QB then I'm not understanding why beating them with their 3rd string QB is supposed to be impressive. That cuts both ways.
UGA was a choice by the coach.
Mizzou is a good example. But so what? It does not change that all the doom and gloom for our record against ranked teams comes from playing our back-up QB.
If I am going to be depressed, I am looking at our defense that gave up incredible passing days for both Dobbs this year and Harris last year. Both mediocre passing QBs
I didn't bring up any of that.
But to be fair, a backup QB does make a difference.
Again, I could simply argue that final rankings are far more relative and indicative of a team's success in a year than whatever ranking was applied during the season.
Therefore, using the AP and Coaches, Mac is currently 3-4 against ranked opponents at the end of the year.
Also, along with the backup QBs, each game we lost (including UT this year) was on the road.
And UT could very possibly lose 2 of the next 3, if not all 3 of them.
Just saying bro.
Don't disagree with most of that. And FTR, I'm not down on Mac as much as I am his staff. A lot of those guys just have no business being here. Nord, Summers, and Nuss for starters. Their units are killing this team and there's just been no improvement. Idk how much longer those guys can get a pass.
Even before the Tenn game this offense was giving me the feeling of 2014 when we started off pretty good and then dropped off like a rock mid season if I remember correctly. Del Rio did some stupid stuff in that NT game but didn't end up paying for it hardly.That first half of Tenn changed my thinking but the 2nd half has me right back to that line of thought. Even lowly Vandy should tell us something about that side of the ball this week.
Call sadgator crazy, but he was pretty damn happy with the play calling in the first half. We were slinging it around pretty good and seemed to have a great plan. We certainly wouldn't have seen anything close to that under our former leader.
sadgator admits we went into a shell there in the second half, but we also had real crappy field position for pretty much the entire half. Hard to be aggressive and throw deep when you are staring at your own 10.
sadgator admits we went into a shell there in the second half, but we also had real crappy field position for pretty much the entire half. Hard to be aggressive and throw deep when you are staring at your own 10.
The play calling ln the first half was some of the best we have seen since Spurrier. I don't know what happened in the 2nd half.
Sad,
our field position in the first half was actually worse than the second. Avg. field position in the first was the 13, in the second half it was the 15. And that was only revised down because of Callaway's bonehead decision to field it at the 2 one drive and then another drive that started at the 1 after UT ran on 4th to burn clock. Take those two out and our avg. field position was closer to 20, or basically where you'd get the ball on the kickoff. We just went into a shell for no reason and then the defense collapsed.
I actually put more blame on the defense than the offense for this loss.
They both deserve blame. We had the chance to step on their throats and instead we went into a shell which gave them momentum. We had 6 straight three and outs which got their defense hyped and got the crowd back into the game. Then they started attacking downfield and the rest was history. Go up 28-3 or even 28-17 and the outcome is different. Instead we just ran, ran, ran punt and kept giving their offense more chances to get on the field and make a play.
Again, the D held them to 3 points in the first half and intercepted them on the opening drive of the second half. Hard to pin that all on the defense. This is NOT a national championship caliber staff, its just not. Mac is going to need to assemble a new staff almost entirely. We are not coavhing at the level necessary to compensate for the recruiting issues we have had. And the QB excuse flies around a lot considering we hired a "QB guru" as a head coach.
If our D was as good as it is supposed to be or what it should be UT shouldn't have scored more than 20 points. They scored much more than that. I'm more dissapointed in the defensive side of the ball due to the amount of talent on that side of the ball. Some of our better defensive players did not show up in the 2nd half (Davis, Maye and Tabor).
As for QB play I would say it has been pretty good with a walk-on and a transfer from Purdue. Both these guys are much much better than Harris. We still have oline issues that hinder the offense at times.
We had 300 yards of offense at halftime.
As for QB play I would say it has been pretty good with a walk-on and a transfer from Purdue. Both these guys are much much better than Harris. We still have oline issues that hinder the offense at times.
We had 300 yards of offense at halftime.
Average field position is a fiction. Where you actually start and game flow matter. We had limited opportunities to open it up in the third qtr. and UT started to roll. This is a chicken and egg argument, and the answer will not be clear until we have a bigger sample size.
The defense just didn't make Tennessee work for it in the 2nd half. Too many big plays downfield. I thought they were too aggressive with a big lead. The Oline was brutal in the 2nd half as well.
All of your facts and observation tend to accentuate the negative. You have that in common with several other folks that post here.
Bullcrap. I ask for a sense of balance. I was not happy with the second half offense and said so. But I know enough about football to know that poor offensive play calling did not result in 38 unanswered UT points. So do you. Thirty eight points is six scores. Six scores.
As I said before, we get two more stops on Tennessee and we win the game. That is on the defense
Interesting. You were the one that used to say all we needed was a top 50 offense. That is what we have. But now you complain that it is only that good.
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Nord, I agree with. Nuss has shown he is capable of putting together good game plans and good play calling. He just seemed to think that an 18 point lead would hold up and throttled the offense way, way too soon. That is poor judgement. But judgement that can be improved on.
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This is a good, balanced assessment of the game
http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2016/...-win-over-florida-wasnt-what-you-think-it-was
I'm a numbers guy, if the numbers don't say what y'all want them to say that isn't my issue and that isn't 'negative' that's reality. I focus on tons of positive stuff, the gameday thread alone would prove that. I praised the first half playcalling, was gung ho on Appleby, praised the backs, etc. You all just like to ignore those times and categorize someone as 'negative' or 'doom and gloom' to kill criticism rather than debate substance whenever it fits.
And I've never said all we need is a top 50 offense into eternity, context matters. An offense that good would have certainly gotten the job done during the Muschamp years and last year as well, but at some point it would be great if we don't feel the need to ask the defense to hold every team to 20 to have a chance to win. Why is it you all expect the defense to be perfect every game but its ok for the offense to just trail behind and be average just because? It's nonsensical.
BTW, not sure where you're pulling those numbers but we are not top 50 in offense, especially if taken as a whole. We are 51st in total offense (57th in scoring), 67th in rushing, 40th in passing, and 89th in redzone offense. And our ypc on the ground is in the bottom third of all of football average. And we managed to put up these pedestrian numbers while facing some of the worst defenses we will see all year. We have faced defenses ranked 81st, 109th, 95th, and 39th. UT was the only mediocre one of the bunch. So we are below average at best even having faced the easiest defenses we will play all year.
Again the defense gets more of the blame than the offense for Saturday's game IMO. They let Dobbs who can't hit the broad side of a barn throw all over them and they let him do it quickly. Even the first half they were having some success against our defense but dropping a lot of balls. Yes our offense didnt play good for 2 quarters but I think it can be argued that our defense played worse on Saturday.
I do believe we went very very vanilla on offnese against North Texas and UMASS. It's no coincidence our offense looked much different in the 2 SEC games we have played so far. In fact our offensive stats are probably better in the 2 SEC games then it is in the 2 "other" games.
I do believe we went very very vanilla on offnese against North Texas and UMASS. It's no coincidence our offense looked much different in the 2 SEC games we have played so far. In fact our offensive stats are probably better in the 2 SEC games then it is in the 2 "other" games.
It was weird.
I thought coming out, the worst our defense would do was go into a zone type bend but try not to break defense. Instead they focused on shutting down UT's run game.
I would not have been mad if they SLOWLY allowed UT to come back in the game. Hell naw, they let UT quickly come back.
I'm still puzzled on what the hell happened on offense. Where did the deep ball go? Where were the jet sweeps? We weren't fumbling or throwing stupid picks. Why we changed or failed to execute was beyond me.
I would not have been mad had the defense went into a dime package. Let Hurd get 5-7 yards here and there. Why let their TE's and WR's burn out DB's from "DBU" is beyond me.
I thought coming out, the worst our defense would do was go into a zone type bend but try not to break defense. Instead they focused on shutting down UT's run game.
I would not have been mad if they SLOWLY allowed UT to come back in the game. Hell naw, they let UT quickly come back.
I'm still puzzled on what the hell happened on offense. Where did the deep ball go? Where were the jet sweeps? We weren't fumbling or throwing stupid picks. Why we changed or failed to execute was beyond me.
I would not have been mad had the defense went into a dime package. Let Hurd get 5-7 yards here and there. Why let their TE's and WR's burn out DB's from "DBU" is beyond me.
That's almost all fan excuses. Mac even said after UK the gameplan for UMass was more diverse and aggressive than the one for UK, we just didn't play well which is why he was pissed off all week. We played better against UK because hard as it is to believe they just have a worse defense, as the stats show. Only on this board can a gameplan that included 40+ passes and multiple deep shots be considered vanilla. The same was true against North Texas, he left the starting offense in there to get more work because they weren't playing well, he all but said as much. Even if we were vanilla, and Mac says we weren't, those defenses are bad enough to where we still shouldn't be struggling to score points.
That's true, I can't argue with anything you said.
I just think that the defense and offense should try to work together in some type of way. If one plans to protect the lead, the other should have. Hurd and Kamara weren't doing any damage. Now make them beat you instead of Dobbs. Run a lot of dime and some true nickel.
It's all hindsight now. We choked. Offense, defense, and special teams. Players and coaches.
Agree. I will say too that a lot of the pass defense issues came from the LB spot. We haven't really generated much pass rush from the down four and always blitzed those two a ton. UT used their TE a lot which forced them to cover so then we couldn't blitzed like we wanted to and he had all day back there. And I love Anzalone but he got abused in coverage too. We had so many players in the box to stop the run and when they just ditched it and threw we had no depth in our coverages and just got ate up. Same thing happened in the first too they just couldn't catch. I didn't mind the plan but we should have mixed some zone coverage in, we just went cover 1 down after down.
The play calling was much much different and more diverse and creative in our 2 SEC games than our other 2 games. That is pretty obvious.
Again our offense has performed better in our SEC games than our "other" games. That's a fact.
Again our offense has performed better in our SEC games than our "other" games. That's a fact.
