The truly sad part, even with all the evidence of fraud that has been showing up for years now, I still hear some Repubs parroting the DEM/MSM line that "there just isn't any evidence".
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Part of the problem is that people without a political agenda are hesitant to automatically believe anything that shows up on the internet. There is a lot of false information out there and some of the people who create it are very good at making it look legitimate.
How many cases concerning election fraud have been heard by obama-appointed judges, and how many have been heard by Trump-appointed judges?
Actually I think one election fraud case was set to be heard by a Trump-appointed judge. But her husband and son were murdered soon after she was given the case.
As you say, it's hard to imagine that the election process could be corrupt....but that the corruption would then carry over into the court system as well.
Yep, because the media pounces on this story like no other. Anyone that questions election integrity is an 'election denier' at best, and a 'domestic terrorist' at worst.
Any time you see the media go all in on killing a story, that's your sign that it's worth exploring.
Not quite true. IF your a DEM and you question an election, that is a OK. Its just Repubs are not allowed.
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OK?
It can be your entire campaign platform.
When the dems lose, Republicans cheated. When they win the election was "free and fair".
It's how our election system works now.
The courts saw what happened in 2000 after the FL ruling by SCOTUS.
Since then courts have almost unanimously rejected taking up any case regarding an ongoing election or one that's "over".
In the last couple of weeks we have seen a few exceptions, but they are rare. Perhaps some judges are finally getting fed up and realize what's at stake.
As to why that is, your guess is as good as mine....which coming full circle, is why the GA case is interesting. You now have someone facing prison who - if they can prove the election in GA really was fraudulent - could use proof of voter fraud as a way to maintain their freedom. In other words, Willis forced evidence to be heard by a judge in a court of law by overcharging these defendants and relating it all to election integrity.
And I can guarantee that whatever this gentleman has, Trump has 10X more. My guess is if what we're about to see is really what is promised, they'll throw Trump's charges out to prevent him from showing what he has.
Your good at saying things softly, LOL.
If its real you would see it proven in court. Pretty simple.
You mean like the courts proved that Roe v Wade was unconstitutional?
I would be as happy as anyone if they can prove, in court, that the election was stolen.
One thing I don't understand.....If Trump has evidence, why in the world isn't he sharing it publicly. It seems way out of character for him to keep quiet on anything that makes his opponents look bad.
For the exact same reason that you don't believe anything on Twitter.
He could have video of the same ballots being scanned multiple times without observers, clearly duplicate ballots with different ID numbers, fake burst pipe stories, lack of chain of custody documents, etc and you wouldn't believe any of it.
For some reason if it's presented in court you say you'll come around...because the courts always get it right?
Like everyone else, I believe the stuff on twitter that supports my existing opinions.
So Trump is withholding evidence because he doesn't think people will believe it? That's surprising given his tendency to speak out whenever he thinks anything.
I guess we'll see what he has eventually.
Its been the same song and dance for almost 3 years now.
All Trump has accomplished is to make sure we never have an election again that the losing side accepts. And once you believe the other side is cheating, you can then justify cheating yourself.
Trump pushed the country down a slope it will be difficult to ever recover from.
I don't.
I assess the evidence and put into context. There's a ton of bad/incomplete/straight up false information presented on Twitter (and elsewhere). You have to be careful what you believe.
And Trump knows that you can't unring the bell three years later...and what evidence he has is going to be documented under oath in court...convincing skeptics like yourself that are convincible.
But he knows there's a core constituency that won't ever believe anything other than what they're told by the media. For that group, you could have cellphone tracking data showing a complex network of ballot stuffers operating out of Democrat political offices, with corroborating camera footage, and they would still not be convinced there was organized ballot fraud in several states.
But those same people have no problem with the FBI rounding up grandma in a MAGA hat using the same exact geofencing data.
LOLOLOL Like the Trump fraud case? If you believe our courts are fair I do not know what else to say to you
You must have missed the 2000 and 2016 election. Difference was an ENORMOUS ballot dump did not happen at 3 AM for ONE candidate in either of those elections...and the winners actually campaigned and did not hide in their basement. And the loser did not win Florida and Ohio...which makes that the first time that ever happened
You mean the trial where they realized Trump made a tiny Billion dollar accounting error?
Come on my friend, stay on planet Earth with me.
Now if you want to make the case that Letitia James was out of line campaigning about going after Trump I can get on board with that. That's clearly an issue that needs to be addressed.
But she was right about Trump. That verdict is in.
Everybody knew the mail in votes would be heavily democratic and would be counted late........how is it that you don't know? Its really simple.
Absolutely. We all know Trump just blurts out whatever comes to his mind and never thinks ahead.
Hillary did precisely what @Illegal-shift is accusing Trump of doing. We have told him this repeatedly and he always uses the 'I got that guy on Ignore' excuse and refuses to address the hypocrisy.
1) No plantiff
2) No damages
3) Every loan application has a disclaimer that puts the onus on the banking institution to check valuations
4) If you're going to side with a judge that believed an $18MM valuation of MLG when the small vacant lot next to it sold for $20MM in 2018...well you're a looney liberal just like the judge.
5) The banks made tons of money on these loans, they competed for his business.
6) There's a value to the Trump brand, as much as that triggers you, that the biased judge is ignoring.
Vacant beach parcel near Mar-a-Lago slated for house addition
Expansion of Palm Beach house at 1045 S. Ocean Blvd. will eliminate the ocean view enjoyed for years by passersby and neighbors.
www.palmbeachdailynews.com
Yea I'm pretty certain @Illegal-shift has me on ignore.
He apparently doesn't want to debate with the facts.
"Ballot harvesting, also known as ballot trafficking or third-party ballot collection, occurs when individuals take advantage of these options to “harvest” or collect voters’ completed ballots and return them on behalf of the voter. While it may seem like a kind gesture to assist voters in submitting their mail ballots, ballot harvesting can severely undermine the fairness and honesty of elections."
Welp Theo just went on ignore, right @Illegal-shift?
Unless you have been a mortgage broker(I have been a licensed broker) and know and understand how banks lend money, you would understand. Just campaigning on arresting him BEFORE you see any evidence should enlighten anyone with a brain. Secondly...a financial statement means VERY little in the lending process...WHY??? Because EVERYONE pads them. EVERYONE. What banks look at when they lend money is 1. Ability to repay the loan. 2. History of repayment. 3. loan to value. Lastly...EVERY loan in consideration was PAID BACK IN FULL. Can you please explain the crime? No...because there was NO crime
Your judge is a Pedo pervert who sends partial nudes to HS students.,.
Why are liberals such pervy sickos?
Well, I already agreed with her campaigning on going after Trump being way wrong, so one issue down. The rest of this stuff your just way off base on. And I have a lot of experience with financial statements....have a client worth almost a billion, another who just sold his business for over $500M, so some heavy hitters, and none of them pad their financial statements. Have another client who has roughly 50 commercial property real estate deals and they don't pad theirs either - they fly straight. And I doubt there has every been a case where somebody did it as egregiously as Trump did....which is probably how he got away with it.
Banks certainly do care about financial statements. Why do you think they require them from everybody and its what keeps CPA's in business. Now you can make the argument that the bank should be doing their own appraisals since these statements where not audited......but I think this is where Trump's scam paid off. He overstated things soooo much that the banks likely didn't feel like they needed to do independent appraisals because there was so much equity (their mistake, but still fraud). The banks price their loans based on the associated risk with the particular loan........so what Trump did is subject the banks to a lot more risk than they realized and should have charged him for. He paid them back this time......but we are talking about a guy who has gone bankrupt 6 or 7 times before.....so their is a long history of banks/investors not being paid back by Trump businesses. Most of those had to do with his casino's, but it was still Trump.
No crime? If somebody tries to kill you with a AR-15 but misses, was that a crime? I mean, your not hurt? A car going 200 MPH but not hitting anybody.....no crime? LOL......this one your just dead wrong on the facts.....I can go ask my lawyer son, but I already know the answer. You don't need to prove damages to prove the crime occurred. You nail the offender who is driving 200 MPH before he hits somebody. That's what they are doing here and its a black and white issue.
What has really been surprising to me....and really has been since the beginning with Trump......is how you guys consistently make excuses for him. The democrats do plenty wrong and have done a lot wrong with Trump......but the guy overstated his financials by a friggin BILLLION dollars. How does that not make the hair stand up on the back of your neck.
Tell me you really believe Mar-a-Lago is really worth $18MM.
PLEASE tell the board you really believe that.
CNN: "Trump murders Biden heckler at his rally!"
@Illegal-shift: "OMG! Trump murdered a heckler at his rally! Arrest him now!!!"
Trumper: "But that didn't happen..."
@Illegal-shift: "Boy you Trumpers got an answer for everything!"
