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LOL.........you mean like Trumps 1040? The one where he made no money and paid $750 in tax several years in a row? Are you trying to be funny?

Let me ask you Ron.....which tax statements do the banks want to see? 1040? Trumps W-2s? 1099s? Maybe his 1065's as I have read he has close to 100 entities.....or maybe 1120S, or his k-1's? Which of those will give you his "provable income". Which of those forms will tell the bank the values of Trumps assets? Which of those forms will give the banks Trumps cash flow? Which will show the banks Trumps existing debt and the terms of that debt? Which will show them Trumps total Equity?

Maybe your talking about property tax statements......because those at least make an attempt at assessing a value?

Do you understand there is a difference between taxable income and financial income......which you can't see at all on a 1040? Do you understand depreciation and how important that is to a real estate venture? And how much it can distort earnings? Do you understand that an entities tax return starts with the entities financial statement?

Do you understand any of this? Because this is a sample of the very basics of what you need to know before you would make statements like you have.

You do realize that we are trying to support loans in the hundreds of millions of dollars. So please consider that before you answer. Because all your answers up to now have been the kind that you would have for a simple mom and pop home mortgage. A totally different world that has no applicability to big dollar finance.

I have tried not to embarrass you with all this, but you won't quit. I would have thought that it would have occurred to you before now that I might actually know what I am talking about with this stuff.
TAX STATEMENTS. Not 1099's, NOT 1040's. NOT W2's. And you are TRYING (not succeeding) in "embarrassing me. However between you and me..only ONE of us has ever lent money. That is the FACTS here. Sorry to ruffle your feathers so much. I just hope you are ready to back our next President!! Because truly only a glorified IDIOT believes Trump is guilty of ANYTHING concerning these loans. But then again...every democrat I have EVER known fits right in to that category. I mean....look at your boy Brandon...are you proud? LOLOLOL No...do NOT pass go...go outside in your back yard and practice falling down, son...you NEED the practice after that whoopin.


And then there is THIS...you seem to post back here calling everyone else out...but..WHAT DO YOU SUPPORT?? WHO do you support? Are you too embarrassed to say? Is just criticizing everyone else's posts easier for you? Seems you may be too embarrassed to share YOUR takes? AMIRITE??
 
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Wait, WHAT? What exactly are you crying about? Creditors got paid. Zero damages, no case. Trump overvalued properties? Who lost revenue? He certainly wasn't trying to get his real estate appraisals and therefore taxes lowered in that case. Whoopsie!!

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This cat knows ZERO about what he is talking about!! LOLOL Good entertainment though! I appreciate him coming around here to take his beatings!! LOL
 
TAX STATEMENTS. Not 1099's, NOT 1040's. NOT W2's. And you are TRYING (not succeeding) in "embarrassing me. However between you and me..only ONE of us has ever lent money. That is the FACTS here. Sorry to ruffle your feathers so much. I just hope you are ready to back our next President!! Because truly only a glorified IDIOT believes Trump is guilty of ANYTHING concerning these loans. But then again...every democrat I have EVER known fits right in to that category. I mean....look at your boy Brandon...are you proud? LOLOLOL No...do NOT pass go...go outside in your back yard and practice falling down, son...you NEED the practice after that whoopin.


And then there is THIS...you seem to post back here calling everyone else out...but..WHAT DO YOU SUPPORT?? WHO do you support? Are you too embarrassed to say? Is just criticizing everyone else's posts easier for you? Seems you may be too embarrassed to share YOUR takes? AMIRITE??
LOL, "tax statements"........please define what that is since you decided its not any of the normal things somebody might associate with that term.

And I am really not the one embarrassing you, your doing that to yourself.

I do love your rants though......very entertaining. And have said several times who I like this time around......it won't be either of the very old men who probably will be the last two choices. I want BOTH Biden and Trump to head out to pasture so the country can move past the bullshit and to a better, less divisive, future. If I had to vote today it would be Nikki Haley (although she likely doesn't end up on the ballet). The democrats haven't even presented a reasonable option from Grandpa Joe (they are obviously limited with him being the incumbent). A more moderate republican who try's to unite instead of divide is the best choice in my opinion. I think she has done the best job so far of representing this course. But make no mistake, a l lot of my posts are because I can't stand Trump. I think his re-election would spell trouble for all of us.

I also strongly support an age limit going forward......IMHO we should never, ever, have a president who is 80 years old. Both Joe Biden and Donald Trump are, today, older than Bill Clinton who became president back in 1993.
 
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It TRULY is this simple.
Ron you are really showing how desperate you are with this when you quote fatman. What he is showing you in this post is that he doesn't even understand the very basics of what is going on here.

The bank lent the money based on these very financial statements. Now somehow fatman appears to think that the bank would lend on these financial statements and then turn around and say, hey, wait a minute, he lied to us so we are going to sue him, LOL. Something obviously needed to happen first to show that the fraud occurred.....which is the AG getting involved. The bank clearly did not know fraud occurred before this because if they did they wouldn't have lent the money in the first place (or wouldn't have lent at the interest rates they did, which is really the point here). Its just ridiculous.....but its the kind of thing that gets thrown out to the MAGA crowd and they eat it up. You may find the banks suing Trump once this case is over, depending on the outcome, that is clearly possible. Although suing Donald Trump ends up being a money pit because he will appeal if for 10-15 years, so it may be a business decision to not throw $50 million in legal fees (and tons of their own time) chasing down a guy who probably will die before the case ever gets finally decided. They might collect from his estate though. They may also have current loans out with Trump businesses that they don't want to jeopardize, so there are several other business considerations as to why they wouldn't do it.

And lets go back to your original statement that started this whole thing......that "banks don't rely on financial statements when they make this kind of loan". IF that was true.....Trump would have a very, very easy simple defense that would show there are no damages. He could simply parade bank executive after bank executive in front of the court saying they never rely on financial statements and he would be home free. This would already be over. But, of course, your statement is absurd because its the opposite......financial statements are the primary tool the banks use in assessing and monitoring large business loans. They are the lifeblood of business loans.

The banks pitch a fit when our auditors even change the wording in a financial statement. Most business loans have covenants (do you know what a bank covenant is?).....that say you are required to supply audited financial statements by a specific date every year.....they are that crucial. In other words, if you don't comply they can immediately call the loans. I could probably send you 20 examples of this type of loan agreement on existing loans tomorrow.....would have to redact the names of course.

Or perhaps all Trump would need is Deutsche bank to testify they didn't rely on his statements......that would also likely get him off the hook (with regard to damages). Maybe this will happen? But I wouldn't hold my breath. The judge has already ruled Trump committed fraud, so that part is over, but this would certainly help with assessing any damages. I suspect the AG knew the banks position on this before they went down this road.

Which brings me to another point......Trumps statements where not audited. Why do you think that is?

Lastly.....the other guy you quoted about the damages I am not going to spend more time on because I have already addressed it. Its a matter of law and its crystal clear, he is wrong. Spend 10 minutes on google and you can pull up court cases proving this.

I rest my case.
 
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Ron you are really showing how desperate you are with this when you quote fatman. What he is showing you in this post is that he doesn't even understand the very basics of what is going on here.

The bank lent the money based on these very financial statements. Now somehow fatman appears to think that the bank would lend on these financial statements and then turn around and say, hey, wait a minute, he lied to us so we are going to sue him, LOL. Something obviously needed to happen first to show that the fraud occurred.....which is the AG getting involved. The bank clearly did not know fraud occurred before this because if they did they wouldn't have lent the money in the first place (or wouldn't have lent at the interest rates they did, which is really the point here). Its just ridiculous.....but its the kind of thing that gets thrown out to the MAGA crowd and they eat it up. You may find the banks suing Trump once this case is over, depending on the outcome, that is clearly possible. Although suing Donald Trump ends up being a money pit because he will appeal if for 10-15 years, so it may be a business decision to not throw $50 million in legal fees (and tons of their own time) chasing down a guy who probably will die before the case ever gets finally decided. They might collect from his estate though. They may also have current loans out with Trump businesses that they don't want to jeopardize, so there are several other business considerations as to why they wouldn't do it.

And lets go back to your original statement that started this whole thing......that "banks don't rely on financial statements when they make this kind of loan". IF that was true.....Trump would have a very, very easy simple defense that would show there are no damages. He could simply parade bank executive after bank executive in front of the court saying they never rely on financial statements and he would be home free. This would already be over. But, of course, your statement is absurd because its the opposite......financial statements are the primary tool the banks use in assessing and monitoring large business loans. They are the lifeblood of business loans.

The banks pitch a fit when our auditors even change the wording in a financial statement. Most business loans have covenants (do you know what a bank covenant is?).....that say you are required to supply audited financial statements by a specific date every year.....they are that crucial. In other words, if you don't comply they can immediately call the loans. I could probably send you 20 examples of this type of loan agreement on existing loans tomorrow.....would have to redact the names of course.

Or perhaps all Trump would need is Deutsche bank to testify they didn't rely on his statements......that would also likely get him off the hook (with regard to damages). Maybe this will happen? But I wouldn't hold my breath. The judge has already ruled Trump committed fraud, so that part is over, but this would certainly help with assessing any damages. I suspect the AG knew the banks position on this before they went down this road.

Which brings me to another point......Trumps statements where not audited. Why do you think that is?

Lastly.....the other guy you quoted about the damages I am not going to spend more time on because I have already addressed it. Its a matter of law and its crystal clear, he is wrong. Spend 10 minutes on google and you can pull up court cases proving this.

I rest my case.

I just have one question. What’s your favorite flavor of paint chips?
 
LOL, "tax statements"........please define what that is since you decided its not any of the normal things somebody might associate with that term.

And I am really not the one embarrassing you, your doing that to yourself.

I do love your rants though......very entertaining. And have said several times who I like this time around......it won't be either of the very old men who probably will be the last two choices. I want BOTH Biden and Trump to head out to pasture so the country can move past the bullshit and to a better, less divisive, future. If I had to vote today it would be Nikki Haley (although she likely doesn't end up on the ballet). The democrats haven't even presented a reasonable option from Grandpa Joe (they are obviously limited with him being the incumbent). A more moderate republican who try's to unite instead of divide is the best choice in my opinion. I think she has done the best job so far of representing this course. But make no mistake, a l lot of my posts are because I can't stand Trump. I think his re-election would spell trouble for all of us.

I also strongly support an age limit going forward......IMHO we should never, ever, have a president who is 80 years old. Both Joe Biden and Donald Trump are, today, older than Bill Clinton who became president back in 1993.
The irony of saying you want to move past the bullshit while you’re literally pushing the biggest bullshit is hard to stomach.
 
He's still having conversations with himself in one of his stupid threads again.

He thinks he is pretty slick. It’s almost as if vegetable oil was his previous field of expertise.

It's entirely possible, because his sock's alleged expertise was in oil as well. Just not the right kind of oil, and was demonstrably proven on a daily basis. 😂
 
Just in case anyone missed it…she is done for.

But she introduced the idea. That was all she was supposed to do. Now the left will do what it always does, keep hammering away at the idea till eventually, the rest of us cave to get them to STFU. That's exactly how they legalized gay marriage.
 
Ron you are really showing how desperate you are with this when you quote fatman. What he is showing you in this post is that he doesn't even understand the very basics of what is going on here.

The bank lent the money based on these very financial statements. Now somehow fatman appears to think that the bank would lend on these financial statements and then turn around and say, hey, wait a minute, he lied to us so we are going to sue him, LOL. Something obviously needed to happen first to show that the fraud occurred.....which is the AG getting involved. The bank clearly did not know fraud occurred before this because if they did they wouldn't have lent the money in the first place (or wouldn't have lent at the interest rates they did, which is really the point here). Its just ridiculous.....but its the kind of thing that gets thrown out to the MAGA crowd and they eat it up. You may find the banks suing Trump once this case is over, depending on the outcome, that is clearly possible. Although suing Donald Trump ends up being a money pit because he will appeal if for 10-15 years, so it may be a business decision to not throw $50 million in legal fees (and tons of their own time) chasing down a guy who probably will die before the case ever gets finally decided. They might collect from his estate though. They may also have current loans out with Trump businesses that they don't want to jeopardize, so there are several other business considerations as to why they wouldn't do it.

And lets go back to your original statement that started this whole thing......that "banks don't rely on financial statements when they make this kind of loan". IF that was true.....Trump would have a very, very easy simple defense that would show there are no damages. He could simply parade bank executive after bank executive in front of the court saying they never rely on financial statements and he would be home free. This would already be over. But, of course, your statement is absurd because its the opposite......financial statements are the primary tool the banks use in assessing and monitoring large business loans. They are the lifeblood of business loans.

The banks pitch a fit when our auditors even change the wording in a financial statement. Most business loans have covenants (do you know what a bank covenant is?).....that say you are required to supply audited financial statements by a specific date every year.....they are that crucial. In other words, if you don't comply they can immediately call the loans. I could probably send you 20 examples of this type of loan agreement on existing loans tomorrow.....would have to redact the names of course.

Or perhaps all Trump would need is Deutsche bank to testify they didn't rely on his statements......that would also likely get him off the hook (with regard to damages). Maybe this will happen? But I wouldn't hold my breath. The judge has already ruled Trump committed fraud, so that part is over, but this would certainly help with assessing any damages. I suspect the AG knew the banks position on this before they went down this road.

Which brings me to another point......Trumps statements where not audited. Why do you think that is?

Lastly.....the other guy you quoted about the damages I am not going to spend more time on because I have already addressed it. Its a matter of law and its crystal clear, he is wrong. Spend 10 minutes on google and you can pull up court cases proving this.

I rest my case.
Do not rest yet, you have not accomplished ANYTHING but writers cramp. . Answer this. WHY didn't the banks bring charges? C'mon now....lets hear ya!
 
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Ron you are really showing how desperate you are with this when you quote fatman. What he is showing you in this post is that he doesn't even understand the very basics of what is going on here.

The bank lent the money based on these very financial statements. Now somehow fatman appears to think that the bank would lend on these financial statements and then turn around and say, hey, wait a minute, he lied to us so we are going to sue him, LOL. Something obviously needed to happen first to show that the fraud occurred.....which is the AG getting involved. The bank clearly did not know fraud occurred before this because if they did they wouldn't have lent the money in the first place (or wouldn't have lent at the interest rates they did, which is really the point here). Its just ridiculous.....but its the kind of thing that gets thrown out to the MAGA crowd and they eat it up. You may find the banks suing Trump once this case is over, depending on the outcome, that is clearly possible. Although suing Donald Trump ends up being a money pit because he will appeal if for 10-15 years, so it may be a business decision to not throw $50 million in legal fees (and tons of their own time) chasing down a guy who probably will die before the case ever gets finally decided. They might collect from his estate though. They may also have current loans out with Trump businesses that they don't want to jeopardize, so there are several other business considerations as to why they wouldn't do it.

And lets go back to your original statement that started this whole thing......that "banks don't rely on financial statements when they make this kind of loan". IF that was true.....Trump would have a very, very easy simple defense that would show there are no damages. He could simply parade bank executive after bank executive in front of the court saying they never rely on financial statements and he would be home free. This would already be over. But, of course, your statement is absurd because its the opposite......financial statements are the primary tool the banks use in assessing and monitoring large business loans. They are the lifeblood of business loans.

The banks pitch a fit when our auditors even change the wording in a financial statement. Most business loans have covenants (do you know what a bank covenant is?).....that say you are required to supply audited financial statements by a specific date every year.....they are that crucial. In other words, if you don't comply they can immediately call the loans. I could probably send you 20 examples of this type of loan agreement on existing loans tomorrow.....would have to redact the names of course.

Or perhaps all Trump would need is Deutsche bank to testify they didn't rely on his statements......that would also likely get him off the hook (with regard to damages). Maybe this will happen? But I wouldn't hold my breath. The judge has already ruled Trump committed fraud, so that part is over, but this would certainly help with assessing any damages. I suspect the AG knew the banks position on this before they went down this road.

Which brings me to another point......Trumps statements where not audited. Why do you think that is?

Lastly.....the other guy you quoted about the damages I am not going to spend more time on because I have already addressed it. Its a matter of law and its crystal clear, he is wrong. Spend 10 minutes on google and you can pull up court cases proving this.

I rest my case.

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But she introduced the idea. That was all she was supposed to do. Now the left will do what it always does, keep hammering away at the idea till eventually, the rest of us cave to get them to STFU. That's exactly how they legalized gay marriage.

Yep, Gay Marriage, then abortion, then Trans, then Pedophilia. It won’t be long until @grandhavendiddy and others will be telling us to just accept pedophilia and move on so that an R can win an election.

So…what’s the point of “winning” again?
 
Yep, Gay Marriage, then abortion, then Trans, then Pedophilia. It won’t be long until @grandhavendiddy and others will be telling us to just accept pedophilia and move on so that an R can win an election.

So…what’s the point of “winning” again?
Winning equals Shutting down borders, lower crime and lower taxes.

If two law abiding gay people want to marry, I could care less.

Right now we have open borders, high crime, rising taxes and republicans talking about abortion and losing even more elections.

So, if Biden keeps winning isn’t that, from your lens, accepting pedophelia? 🤔😉🤣
 
Winning equals Shutting down borders, lower crime and lower taxes.

If two law abiding gay people want to marry, I could care less.

Right now we have open borders, high crime, rising taxes and republicans talking about abortion and losing even more elections.

So, if Biden keeps winning isn’t that, from your lens, accepting pedophelia? 🤔😉🤣
I f abortion was the only reason we are losing elections I could acknowledge your point, However, I think there is more to than that. I think you have to give a lot of credit ( to our losing elections) to voter ignorance and cheating.
 
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I f abortion was the only reason we are losing elections I could acknowledge your point, However, I think there is more to than that. I think you have to give a lot of credit ( to our losing elections) to voter ignorance and cheating.

Bingo.

I would add, corrupt media and poor candidates that are wishy washy.
 
Bingo.

I would add, corrupt media and poor candidates that are wishy washy.
One other point. I believe the abortion issue was recently returned by the Supreme Court to the states to enact legislative laws. Thus this issue is no longer a Federal matter and has no business being included in a presidential debate. Of course the Democrat media and operatives delight in keeping their voters un-informed. We all are well aware that the Demonrats will make up outragiousely false stories to get their candidate elected.
 
Do not rest yet, you have not accomplished ANYTHING but writers cramp. . Answer this. WHY didn't the banks bring charges? C'mon now....lets hear ya!
I answered that in my last post. Very easy, very simple.

BTW, a Deutsch bank executive testified and said they did rely on Trump's financial statements and thought he was wealthier than he really is. Perhaps Trump's team will find a rep who says otherwise, but that's where it stands.
 
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