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Mann, Locke, Glover Gone - Who's Next?

Just a FYI -- In the SEC/Big-12 Challenge:

BillyD was 1-1 --- Mike White is 4-2 and will go against OkSt on Jan 29th, 2022.

The Gators are 5-3 all-time in the SEC/Big 12 Challenge. Last season, Florida defeated 11th-ranked West Virginia in Morgantown, 85-80, to help the SEC to a 5-4 victory in the 2021 event. UF has faced a top-25 opponent in 5 of the previous 8 challenges.
 
It will be interesting to see how this year's BB team will do. Castleton's decision will be a key factor, IMO, along with K. Johnson's availability. Some so-called experts have little confidence in this year's Gator team, but it's primarily due to the huge turnover in players and not knowing how quickly or how well this new group will gel. I know you can take all that with a grain of salt and maybe it's better to come into the season as underdogs instead of having such high expectations. Here are a couple of links that talk about the upcoming season:
 
Out of the 6 that are gone, I'll only miss PG Mann, and maybe 2020 hot & cold SG Locke. For various reasons, I won't miss the other 4, but I still wish them well.

JMOHO's of course, but the initial keys are the return of Castleton and KJ.

IF Castleton goes NBA (I doubt it), then the continued development of Jitoboh is another key. (know by July 7th)
" Castleton wasn’t invited to either the NBA or G-League combines, which would seemingly indicate that he will withdraw his name from the draft."

IF KJ can't return at near 100%, then Duruji and Felder become high energy keys. As a 1-2 punch, they could soften the loss of KJ somewhat.

IF tFr SG K.Reeves can play like SG Locke did as a freshman, instead of how Mann played as a freshman, then that will be a huge plus. (2020 27 Pts - 10 Rbs)

IF PG Appleby can get under better control (Assist's to TO's) that will soften the loss of Mann a bit.

IF the new guards can play in the SEC like they have elsewhere, things could go really well. If so, then team scoring should be much better.

Team defense should get a bit better, as that's a Mike's system requirement.
2 of those new guards are especially high caliber defenders, as is PF Felder.

The new coaches seem to be making good progress with the TEAM, so that might be somewhat of an unexpected plus.

Mostly, I see the team turnover as a positive, not as a negative. Addition by subtraction.

And I'd really love to see a full season with no critical injuries,,,, FOR A MUCH NEEDED CHANGE....

PS -- Their pre-season rankings are the very least of my concerns.
Their 1st NC began with a #32 Pre-season Ranking.
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Barring a major change Castleton is returning
Yep, that's what I've thought since the end of the season.
As good as he played last season, that's still only one season.

I think that another year, both on and off the floor will make a huge draft-ability difference, along with getting his UF degree for life in the Gator Nation network after B-Ball....

KJ will do well in life either way, but for the teams sake and for us B-Ball fans, I'm sure hoping that he gets cleared to play. (iG crosses fingers)
 
It will be interesting to see how this year's BB team will do. Castleton's decision will be a key factor, IMO, along with K. Johnson's availability. Some so-called experts have little confidence in this year's Gator team, but it's primarily due to the huge turnover in players and not knowing how quickly or how well this new group will gel. I know you can take all that with a grain of salt and maybe it's better to come into the season as underdogs instead of having such high expectations. Here are a couple of links that talk about the upcoming season:

Yep most think we will be no threat to win the SEC but if one of those transfers can play PG decent I think we may contend if White stops blowing key games with his slowdown mess.
 
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Well feveredbrains, Mike adjust his coaching and game plans in an attempt to maximize his 'available' talent each year, just like Dan and the rest of the Gator coaches do. But I understand that won't stop the haters from spewing your usual drivel....
 
Well feveredbrains, Mike adjust his coaching and game plans in an attempt to maximize his 'available' talent each year, just like Dan and the rest of the Gator coaches do. But I understand that won't stop the haters from spewing your usual drivel....
He blows key games by slowing it down Perfect example was the NCAA tourney loss.
 
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Well, that's 1/2 of the good news that I've been hoping for...

Now if KJ can get back to anywhere close to 100% for the coming season, they will be FAT....
 
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Going out (6)

PG Ques Glover 5-11 182 Jr *** - xfer Samford - 2.5 ppg, 13 Asts to 20 TO's
CG Tre Mann 6-5 190 Jr ***** - 1st Rnd NBA - 16.0 ppg, 5.6 Rb's, FT's 83% - huge progress.
SG Noah Locke 6-3 203 Sr **** - xfer Louisville - 10.6 ppg, 2.3 3's/Gm, but hot & cold...
SF Scottie Lewis 6-5 189 Jr ***** - Agent-Draft? 7.9 ppg, 3.1 Rb's, digressed....
PF Osayi Osifo 6-8 210 Sr *** - xfer Jacksonville - 1.9 ppg, 2.6 Rb's
PF/C Omar Payne 6-10 230 Jr **** - xfer Illinois - 3.8 ppg, 3.2 Rb's, 1.2 Blk's, digressed...
* Except for Mann, the changes are addition by subtraction imoho, and even there???

Coming In (5)

PG Myreon Jones 6-3 180 Sr - 15.3 ppg, 60 3's @ 39.5%, 2.7 Rbs, 2.0 Ast's, 1.2 TO's.

CG Brandon McKissic 6-3 195 Grad-Sr - 17.2 ppg - FG 52.8%, 3's 42.9%, Conf. Def PoY

CG Phlandrous Fleming 6-4 210 Grad-Sr - 20.1 ppg, 7.4 Rb's - 2x Conf. Def PoY

PF CJ Felder 6-7 230 Jr - 9.7 ppg + 5.9 Rbs, led team in blocked shots.

* A huge scoring potential plus, with 2 Conf. Def PoY additions.

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#6 SG Kowacie Reeves 6-5 180 Fr ***** Natl. 38 - holeychit SG stats

(HS 27.0 ppg, 9.9 Rb's, Ast's 2.5, Stl's 2.5, 1.6 Blk's, FT 71%)

Returning (9)

> PG Tyree Appleby 6-1 170 Sr - 11.3 ppg, 3.3 Ast's, 1.5 Stl's.
CG Jack May 6-4 175 So W-O
CG Niels Lane 6-5 206 So - FT's 83%
SG Alex Klatsky 6-4 185 So W-O
SF Samson Ruzhentsev 6-7 192 So - 2.0 ppg
> PF Anthony Duruji 6-7 220 Sr - 6.1 ppg, 4.4 Rb's
> PF Keyontae Johnson 6-5 229 Sr (CG/SF) - He's yet to fully clear medical.
> PF/C Colin Castleton 6-11 231 Sr - 12.4 ppg, 6.4 Rb's, 2.3 Blk's
C Jason Jitoboh 6-11 285 Jr - 1.5 ppg
~~> One open ship remains available.

PG Jack May earned a spot on the SEC's First-Year Academic Honor Roll, the league office announced on Tuesday. From Boca Raton, May has chosen to continue as a walk-on with the Gators in 2021-22 despite having the opportunity to take a scholarship at other Division I programs this offseason.

Mike White, the Gators have had at least 4 academic honorees every season, including a program-record 10 in 2018-19.
 
Going out (6)

PG Ques Glover 5-11 182 Jr *** - xfer Samford - 2.5 ppg, 13 Asts to 20 TO's
CG Tre Mann 6-5 190 Jr ***** - 1st Rnd NBA - 16.0 ppg, 5.6 Rb's, FT's 83% - huge progress.
SG Noah Locke 6-3 203 Sr **** - xfer Louisville - 10.6 ppg, 2.3 3's/Gm, but hot & cold...
SF Scottie Lewis 6-5 189 Jr ***** - Agent-Draft? 7.9 ppg, 3.1 Rb's, digressed....
PF Osayi Osifo 6-8 210 Sr *** - xfer Jacksonville - 1.9 ppg, 2.6 Rb's
PF/C Omar Payne 6-10 230 Jr **** - xfer Illinois - 3.8 ppg, 3.2 Rb's, 1.2 Blk's, digressed...
* Except for Mann, the changes are addition by subtraction imoho, and even there???

Coming In (5)

PG Myreon Jones 6-3 180 Sr - 15.3 ppg, 60 3's @ 39.5%, 2.7 Rbs, 2.0 Ast's, 1.2 TO's.

CG Brandon McKissic 6-3 195 Grad-Sr - 17.2 ppg - FG 52.8%, 3's 42.9%, Conf. Def PoY

CG Phlandrous Fleming 6-4 210 Grad-Sr - 20.1 ppg, 7.4 Rb's - 2x Conf. Def PoY

PF CJ Felder 6-7 230 Jr - 9.7 ppg + 5.9 Rbs, led team in blocked shots.

* A huge scoring potential plus, with 2 Conf. Def PoY additions.

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#6 SG Kowacie Reeves 6-5 180 Fr ***** Natl. 38 - holeychit SG stats

(HS 27.0 ppg, 9.9 Rb's, Ast's 2.5, Stl's 2.5, 1.6 Blk's, FT 71%)

Returning (9)

> PG Tyree Appleby 6-1 170 Sr - 11.3 ppg, 3.3 Ast's, 1.5 Stl's.
CG Jack May 6-4 175 So W-O
CG Niels Lane 6-5 206 So - FT's 83%
SG Alex Klatsky 6-4 185 So W-O
SF Samson Ruzhentsev 6-7 192 So - 2.0 ppg
> PF Anthony Duruji 6-7 220 Sr - 6.1 ppg, 4.4 Rb's
> PF Keyontae Johnson 6-5 229 Sr (CG/SF) - He's yet to fully clear medical.
> PF/C Colin Castleton 6-11 231 Sr - 12.4 ppg, 6.4 Rb's, 2.3 Blk's
C Jason Jitoboh 6-11 285 Jr - 1.5 ppg
~~> One open ship remains available.

PG Jack May earned a spot on the SEC's First-Year Academic Honor Roll, the league office announced on Tuesday. From Boca Raton, May has chosen to continue as a walk-on with the Gators in 2021-22 despite having the opportunity to take a scholarship at other Division I programs this offseason.

Mike White, the Gators have had at least 4 academic honorees every season, including a program-record 10 in 2018-19.
The opposite of progress is regress. To digress is to stray off topic.
 
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Thanks for that correction, but is that all you got out of the post?
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If so, then maybe this will help you....

 
Saying we have a chance to outperform last years team is exciting when last year's team was a 25 win/SEC champ/Elite 8 team. Not so much when it's a 15 win/5th in the SEC/first weekend loss team. We have "a chance" to outperform mediocrity? If everything comes together we might make it back to the tourney? Whoopie!
 
LLL's usual crap =
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List all of the SEC coaches to make the last 4 NCAA Tourneys?
Here, I'll begin the list for you, just to help out....
1. Mike White
2. ???
3. ???
 
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LLL's usual crap =
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List all of the SEC coaches to make the last 4 NCAA Tourneys?
Here, I'll begin the list for you, just to help out....
1. Mike White
2. ???
3. ???
It's hilarious how you pick and choose a stat you think makes an argument for you even when they really don't.

In any event, you do realize I was responding to the prediction in the article, yes? That if we are lucky we will be as good as last year? Are you really going to argue that it's actually very exciting to read that you might (MIGHT!) be good enough to go 15-10 again?

You are so damn clueless, it's just sad.

PS: As for explaining the difference between digress and regress to you, you're welcome.
 
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Per Little Loopy Lizzy:

3x CoY Mike White is an idiot and knows nothing about basketball.
He's never won a NC, or even an SEC-C, so that proves he's totally incompetent, nothing else matters.
The Gator basketball program is in total shambles and will continue to suck.
Mike also can't recruit any decent players, or keep the few decent ones from transferring out.
Nobody that knows anything about B-Ball wants to be anywhere near Mike, coaches or players.
And he keeps on losing assistant coaches to HC'ing jobs elsewhere, no coaching stability.

SO THE IDIOT AD SHOULD FIRE THE INCOMPETENT MIKE WHITE..... (repeat ad nauseam )
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Per Little Loopy Lizzy:

3x CoY Mike White is an idiot and knows nothing about basketball.
He's never won a NC, or even an SEC-C, so that proves he's totally incompetent, nothing else matters.
The Gator basketball program is in total shambles and will continue to suck.
Mike also can recruit any decent players, or keep the few decent ones from transferring out.
Nobody that knows anything about B-Ball wants to be anywhere near Mike, coaches or players.
And he keeps on losing assistant coaches to HC'ing jobs elsewhere, no coaching stability.

SO THE IDIOT AD SHOULD FIRE THE INCOMPETENT MIKE WHITE..... (repeat ad nauseam )
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Stop putting words in my mouth, you jackass.
 
If that article is right and Appleby is the best option at PG I don't think we will be a threat to win the SEC. Hopefully one of the transfers is a better PG.

Castleton and that transfer Forward should be a real good combo.
 
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If that article is right and Appleby is the best option at PG I don't think we will be a threat to win the SEC. Hopefully one of the transfers is a better PG.

Castleton and that transfer Forward should be a real good combo.

2020-21 PG Tre Mann ----- 6-5 190 - 16.0 Pts, 3.6 Asts, 2.5 Stls -- 33.8 Min/Gm
2020-21 PG Tyree Appleby 6-1 170 - 11.3 Pts, 3.3 Ast's, 1.5 Stl's -- 28.5 Min/Gm
  • Appleby played a critical role in a pair of top-25 wins, tallying 13 points and 7 assists vs. 6th-ranked Tennessee and going for 12 points, 7 assists and 5 rebounds in a road win at No. 11 West Virginia.
  • Posted 18 double-figure scoring games, including a season-best 20 at MsSt.
  • Appleby’s 11-for-11 performance from the free throw line marked UF’s most made free throws without a miss since KeVaughn Allen hit all 11 attempts vs. Gonzaga on Nov. 24, 2017.
IMO, Appleby's weak point is that he will sometimes try to play to fast in traffic and get out of control creating turnovers.
But of course, under Mike's coaching, no PG has ever improved from year to year.....
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(see Tre Mann's stats from Fr to So seasons for example)

PG Myreon Jones 6-3 180 Grad-Sr - 15.3 Pts, 2.0 Asts, 1.3 Stls -- 30.3 Min/Gm

  • High-scoring PG who has upped his production each collegiate season, averaging 10.4 points per game with 12 20-point performances over 80 career appearances at Penn State, including a team-leading 15.3 points per game in 2020-21.
  • Three of his 11 20-point games have come vs. top-25 opponents, and he went for a career-best 29 at Nebraska on Feb. 23, 2021.
  • Increased his scoring by 9.3 points per game from 4.0 points as a freshman to 13.3 as a sophomore, coinciding with his move into PSU’s starting lineup.
  • Two-time All-Big Ten honorable mention honoree with 11 games making four or more 3-pointers.
I think that the combination of Apple and Jones will do just fine at PG, but we'll see....

2020-21 PG Tre Mann ----- 6-5 190 - 16.0 Pts, 3.6 Asts, 2.5 Stls -- 33.8 Min/Gm
2020-21 PG Myreon Jones 6-3 180 - 15.3 Pts, 2.0 Asts, 1.3 Stls -- 30.3 Min/Gm
2020-21 PG Tyree Appleby 6-1 170 - 11.3 Pts, 3.3 Ast's, 1.5 Stl's -- 28.5 Min/Gm
 
All the names and numbers mean absolutely nothing to me. What matters is can the Florida Gators win any kind of title? The University of Florida is known for winning championships and being in serious contention when not winning. That's why we're the only athletic department that has finished in the Top 10 of the Director's Cup standings each of the 37 years they have done these rankings. Top 5 the last 12 years. The basketball program has not been pulling its weight in that regard since Billy Donovan left. Getting in the NCAA tournament is fine, but that simply means we're among the top 64 or so in the country. Win Game 1, maybe Top 32. Not good enough. We need to win an SEC championship every few years and be in serious contention consistently, like we are in virtually every other sport except women's basketball. Until Mike White gets us in that position I will remain a skeptic about his ability as a big time coach. I'm pulling for him and all these new players he's assembled. But until they win a title of some kind, he's not living up to Gator standards. In what other UF sport can we win no titles of any kind in 6 years and that's been acceptable? None. That's not being an "entitled" fan or part of "socialist U". That's just the reality of Gator athletics - when a coach doesn't have his team consistently in contention for a conference title and winning one now and again, the AD is normally looking for an upgrade. Why should basketball be treated any differently than any other sport? Our AD says he's pleased with our BB program. Does that mean us fans just roll over and say, "Well, he says we're good so we just need to shut up and be happy with where we're at?" I don't think so. If it was OK to just make the NCAA tournament without any title in 6 years in all sports, we wouldn't even sniff the Top 10 in the Director's Cup standings. We can and should be doing better in Men's Basketball and I'm truly hoping this winter will be where that jump to the next level takes place.
 
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To me this is the most intriguing season for White. He has done an excellent job IMO replacing the roster via the portal. On paper we upgraded 3 positions. Now, will that translate to being more competitive? I've said it earlier in this thread, Baylor and the Zags have built winners via the transfer route, so maybe White can follow.
 
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Scholarship in the classroom doesn't matter in the least.
Citizenship in the community doesn't matter in the least.
Staying within the NCAA/SEC rules doesn't matter in the least.
And injuries, especially 'key injuries,' don't come into the matter at all.

JUST WIN BABY.....
BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT'S ALL THAT REALLY MATTERS AT ANY SOCIALIST-U
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Scholarship in the classroom doesn't matter in the least.
Citizenship in the community doesn't matter in the least.
Staying within the NCAA/SEC rules doesn't matter in the least.
And injuries, especially 'key injuries,' don't come into the matter at all.

JUST WIN BABY.....
BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT'S ALL THAT REALLY MATTERS AT ANY SOCIALIST-U
🤗
The great coaches can do all those things AND win. I want a great coach.
 
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The great coaches can do all those things AND win. I want a great coach.
Like we have in baseball, softball, lacrosse, gymnastics, track & field, swimming & diving, tennis, volleyball, etc. Virtually every sport except basketball.
 
So, send the idiot AD an email telling how disappointed you are in Mike White and demanding that he fire this total loser immediately, because ALL THAT MATTERS IS WINNING.

He's sure to follow your professional advice and guidance immediately.....
 
So, send the idiot AD an email telling how disappointed you are in Mike White and demanding that he fire this total loser immediately, because ALL THAT MATTERS IS WINNING.

He's sure to follow your professional advice and guidance immediately.....

I was pissed when he didn't listen about Coach Mac and then we had to suffer through all that mess and his death threat press conference.
 
Fevered brains and the Dog Poker are both FoS as usual.

When Trask was a 2-star Fr, many here said that it was a total waste of a ship to even bring him in.
I said than that he was a better QB than 4-star Franks and should play before Franks.
Instead McLame brought in retread Del Rio and redshirted both Franks and Trask.

I continued to say that it should be Trask over all of those that McLame played instead:
Del Rio
Appleby
Zaire
Franks
And the fevered brain even wanted Jones over Trask when Franks went down.

Even when QB-whisperer Dan arrived, it still took an in-season injury before Trask finally got the Job.
I understood why Dan did that (team continuity), even though I still didn't agree with it.
The 2019 and 2020 results speak for themselves.....

But these VI twits still claim that I was 100% on board with McLame.
He was a 'reasonable' hire, as a former Saban OC and after he'd brought ColoSt back.
And he was okay (not great) in his first couple of years at UF (SECe-C).
Then he imploded his final 2 years and got fired,,, good riddance to McLame...

I see no profit in constantly ragging on any Gator HC while they are here and working.
This did not, and does not, stop me from questioning their individual actions as the HC.
There were things that SOS did that I didn't agree with, and I said so, but I never ragged on him or wanted him to be fired or run off, like he eventually was by those spoiled fans and alums that claimed that UF should win the SEC-C every year and at least play for a NC.

The Communist Chinese Kung Flu Scamdemic was a 'throw-away' season imo.
I still support Dan & Todd, and also Mike White, Sully, and Walton who all had sub-par seasons imo.
I am now sitting in a 'Wait and See' mode, waiting to see how they each do in the next couple of seasons.

Trolls gonna troll, and whiners gonna whine.....
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I continued to say that it should be Trask over all of those that McLame played instead:
Del Rio
Appleby
Zaire
Franks


But these VI twits still claim that I was 100% on board with McLame.
He was a 'reasonable' hire, as a former Saban OC and after he'd brought ColoSt back.
And he was okay (not great) in his first couple of years at UF (SECe-C).
Then he imploded his final 2 years and got fired,,, good riddance to McLame...

Insta in a nutshell. Will claim how great the coach is despite the failures, direction of the program and lack of living up to UF winning standards with SEC Championships etc then he will rag on them after they leave like he is doing with McElwain now.

He will justify what Grantham has been doing lately and will be the first to say 3rd and Grantham was a clown if he is fired eventually. I wish someone could find those threads where Insta was in love with Mac even after the no offense seasons.
 
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Feveredbrains in the toilet bowl.
You're to stupid to understand most of what I post.
You're to lazy to look things up, and even if you did you're to dishonest to evaluate all that I've posted.

So, wish your BS in one hand, and then see your lunch in the other....
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