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Chuck Amato was more in charge then than Jimbo till Bowden was gone. In fact Jimbo reported to Amato. He had very little say. He won a previous natty under Saban as OC so you lose that one too.

As to Miami and UF going into the tank. Miami was already in the tank after Davis left but they just didn't know it. Bobby had beaten UM 3 out of five before Jimbo was HC.

As to UF, whenever we say that you guys were beating us under Meyer was because of Bobby getting old and out of touch you say we are making excuses. So what if Meyer was unhappy with his fans. No excuses. Jimbo beat him, Muschamp and McElwain.

Nobody serious in our fanbase wanted Jimbo gone ever. Sorry.
Oh please............your "corch in waiting" had less say that Amato? That's completely a farce and intellectually dishonest. In fact, one of the pundits locally here who covered the nulls in the media wanted Fisher's head on a block in the early going and still isn't sold on his skills as an offensive play caller. Try again. Fisher is an arsehat, control freak whose wife left him for a Gator. Get over it. :p
 
All the mistakes made by Winston and FSU happened long before he was the starting QB.
Whether Winston made a mistake (other than a bad choice for a one-nighter) remains to be seen. The event took place before he was starting but pressing the issue did not start until he was golden. The Kinsman's pulled the plug on their cooperation until it was profitable to move ahead.
 
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Whatever you need to to do to get you through the day, sparky.

When she filed charges, she did not even know who he was. When FSU and the TPD covered it up, Winston was not the starting QB
 
Oh please............your "corch in waiting" had less say that Amato? That's completely a farce and intellectually dishonest. In fact, one of the pundits locally here who covered the nulls in the media wanted Fisher's head on a block in the early going and still isn't sold on his skills as an offensive play caller. Try again. Fisher is an arsehat, control freak whose wife left him for a Gator. Get over it. :p
I thought "corch" was a Gator thing? . And yeah, Amato had more say. When the boosters named him HC in waiting without Bobby's knowledge that was the dynamic. What pundit? ROFL. You're reaching bruf. Say what you wish about Fisher, he's won a natty. Have your last TWO corches done that? LOL

I'm sure Jimbo will have no trouble in the female department either but typical low class remark talking about his family. Just shows we're right.
 
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Whatever you need to to do to get you through the day, sparky.

When she filed charges, she did not even know who he was. When FSU and the TPD covered it up, Winston was not the starting QB
And when she found out who he was, she refused to press charges or cooperate with the University. All documented. But hey, don't let facts get in your way.

BTW, if she didn't know who it was then how could FSU or TPD know either and why would they cover up for an unknown person? You're slipping.
 
A trolling, flame throwing FSU fan coming over here to lecture us on "class."

Isn't that special?
 
He did indeed. But he did not lose to a 3-9 team, now did he?

Maybe Fisher will lose @Louisville this year. That should get you through another year. For all your SEC moxy, you seem to require living vicariously through ACC teams.
 
How does losing to GT make 27-2 any different? This should be good.
It does not change anything.

Fisher is Fisher. Most years he will lose to an inferior team. Sometimes more than one and sometimes vastly inferior teams.

So far, McE is who he is. A coach that greatly overachieved in his first year.
 
Maybe Fisher will lose @Louisville this year. That should get you through another year. For all your SEC moxy, you seem to require living vicariously through ACC teams.
No, I just enjoy tweaking your noses about Fisher. Your responses are wonderful
 
It does not change anything.

Fisher is Fisher. Most years he will lose to an inferior team. Sometimes more than one and sometimes vastly inferior teams.

So far, McE is who he is. A coach that greatly overachieved in his first year.
And some years he wins a natty. BTW, lots of great coaches stumble from time to time. Even Saban and Meyer. In fact both lost to inferior teams this past year. Meh.
 
I thought "corch" was a Gator thing? . And yeah, Amato had more say. When the boosters named him HC in waiting without Bobby's knowledge that was the dynamic. What pundit? ROFL. You're reaching bruf. Say what you wish about Fisher, he's won a natty. Have your last TWO corches done that? LOL

I'm sure Jimbo will have no trouble in the female department either but typical low class remark talking about his family. Just shows we're right.
So you admit you are FOS? That's good. The pundit was a media type that followed the nulls during the Booby days, left, came to Jacksonville and then went to Chicago. He is back now, google up Rick Balou. Laughing my ass off at you assclown.
 
So you admit you are FOS? That's good. The pundit was a media type that followed the nulls during the Booby days, left, came to Jacksonville and then went to Chicago. He is back now, google up Rick Balou. Laughing my ass off at you assclown.
No, I just proved you are FOS.

Rick Balou? Who the hell is he and who cares what he thinks?

The fans have never called for Jimbo's head and if Balou did what a stupid ignoramus he must have felt like while Jimbo was hoisting the crystal.
 
No, I just proved you are FOS.

Rick Balou? Who the hell is he and who cares what he thinks?

The fans have never called for Jimbo's head and if Balou did what a stupid ignoramus he must have felt like while Jimbo was hoisting the crystal.
It shows how out of touch you are with your own fan base. Ballou was around as a reporter during the Free Shoes scandal and helped break the story. He's also a huge Null fan. He has the pulse of the little sister nation and was ready to go postal on the Fisher hire when it happened. He's toned it back a bit but knows it was not a good hire...............and occasionally it slips and comes out that he is a crappy X's and O's coach. He struggles when he has a good quarterback, and we know when his QB is abysmal what the results are. Read em and weep. He will bolt at the first chance when he knows his cupboard is slim. Watch and learn punk. :eek:
 
It shows how out of touch you are with your own fan base. Ballou was around as a reporter during the Free Shoes scandal and helped break the story. He's also a huge Null fan. He has the pulse of the little sister nation and was ready to go postal on the Fisher hire when it happened. He's toned it back a bit but knows it was not a good hire...............and occasionally it slips and comes out that he is a crappy X's and O's coach. He struggles when he has a good quarterback, and we know when his QB is abysmal what the results are. Read em and weep. He will bolt at the first chance when he knows his cupboard is slim. Watch and learn punk. :eek:
You're a silly fellow. Like I said, I'm sure Rick what's-his-name was eating quite a bit of crow while Jimbo was hoisting that crystal. I'm curious how Jimbo "struggled" with a good QB. Was that the 29 win streak you might be referring to? LMFAO.
 
And some years he wins a natty.

No. One year.


BTW, lots of great coaches stumble from time to time. Even Saban and Meyer. In fact both lost to inferior teams this past year. Meh.


Are you seriously comparing Fisher to Saban and Meyer? And name a loss by either coach that was that bad. Especially one after they won a title.
 
No. One year.

Are you seriously comparing Fisher to Saban and Meyer? And name a loss by either coach that was that bad. Especially one after they won a title.

No, he's not comparing them. That's a straw man. He's simply pointing out that the elite fail. Failure is part of competition. Urban Meyer lost to 5 unranked teams in 6 years at UF. I'm pretty sure Saban lost to UAB at LSU and La. Monroe at Bama. I could create a video of Phil Mickelson missing a bunch of 4 foot putts and say he's an average golfer. It doesn't make it true.
 
No, he's not comparing them. That's a straw man. He's simply pointing out that the elite fail. Failure is part of competition. Urban Meyer lost to 5 unranked teams in 6 years at UF. I'm pretty sure Saban lost to UAB at LSU and La. Monroe at Bama. I could create a video of Phil Mickelson missing a bunch of 4 foot putts and say he's an average golfer. It doesn't make it true.

I think Dumbo has missed quite a few 3 inch putts at home. But that's just pure speculation. :eek:
 
Id prefer to have the class act that Jimbo is over Meyer and his soulless antics any day of the week.

Jimbo is arguably the best coach in America. Saban and Myer are the only ones who can claim they are better, and both are retched human beings.
 
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No, he's not comparing them. That's a straw man. He's simply pointing out that the elite fail. Failure is part of competition. Urban Meyer lost to 5 unranked teams in 6 years at UF. I'm pretty sure Saban lost to UAB at LSU and La. Monroe at Bama. I could create a video of Phil Mickelson missing a bunch of 4 foot putts and say he's an average golfer. It doesn't make it true.
You forgot Utah. Couldn't say it better myself.
 
And I enjoy the fact that Fisher currently owns Miami and Florida and their fans are reduced to being envious of Georgia Tech and NC State.
Good for you.

Yet you seem to have to come over here for validation.

Your actions do not seem to support your words.
 
No, he's not comparing them. That's a straw man. He's simply pointing out that the elite fail. Failure is part of competition. Urban Meyer lost to 5 unranked teams in 6 years at UF. I'm pretty sure Saban lost to UAB at LSU and La. Monroe at Bama. I could create a video of Phil Mickelson missing a bunch of 4 foot putts and say he's an average golfer. It doesn't make it true.

Are you still seriously comparing Fisher to Saban and Meyer?

If you can find that either coach, after they won a NC, lost to a team as bad as GaTech, then by all means, share it with us.

Otherwise...welll...you know the rest.
 
Are you still seriously comparing Fisher to Saban and Meyer?

If you can find that either coach, after they won a NC, lost to a team as bad as GaTech, then by all means, share it with us.

Otherwise...welll...you know the rest.

Keep repeating that they are trying to compare JF to Saban and Meyer so you can feel better. They did not try to compare them... that's simply your straw man artifact. The point was both Saban and Meyer also lost to teams they should not have. The schedules prove it. No question so you want to deflect and then throw in some irrelevant goal post moving qualifier such as " after they won a NC".
 
Keep repeating that they are trying to compare JF to Saban and Meyer so you can feel better. They did not try to compare them... that's simply your straw man artifact. The point was both Saban and Meyer also lost to teams they should not have. The schedules prove it. No question so you want to deflect and then throw in some irrelevant goal post moving qualifier such as " after they won a NC".

I'm convinced that MJ is a menopausal woman. A week ago he accused me of "slinking off" and not posting any more because apparently I got owned in a basketball thread. Of course, I never even posted in said thread. Now he's upset that I'm posting here. He also seems incapable of grasping even the simplest of points. He either just likes to fight or is not that bright.
 
Keep repeating that they are trying to compare JF to Saban and Meyer so you can feel better.

I am not the one bringing them up. Or does your ability to comprehend what you read not extend that far?

They did not try to compare them... that's simply your straw man artifact.

Of course they did. Why bring them up otherwise?

I used to think FSU fans were, in general, dumb as dirt. I guess I was being unkind to dirt.
 
I'm convinced that MJ is a menopausal woman.

How misogynist of you.

A week ago he accused me of "slinking off" and not posting any more because apparently I got owned in a basketball thread.

What?

Now he's upset that I'm posting here.

Trolling, flaming FSU fans are annoying. You fit that description. In years past, you guys used to come over, flame for awhile and then leave. Or were forced to leave. Now we seem to no longer have moderators that are active enough to take out the trash.
 
How misogynist of you.



What?



Trolling, flaming FSU fans are annoying. You fit that description. In years past, you guys used to come over, flame for awhile and then leave. Or were forced to leave. Now we seem to no longer have moderators that are active enough to take out the trash.

Like many keyboard tough guys, you throw out troll opinions without facts, call names and then when proven wrong begin the spin and call the mods to get rid of those FSU bullies. So insecure. We'll try to be more gentle .... and as you say: bless your heart.
 
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Like many keyboard tough guys, you throw out troll opinions without facts, call names and then when proven wrong begin the spin and call the mods to get rid of those FSU bullies. So insecure. We'll try to be more gentle .... and as you say: bless your heart.
Oh Dear. Bless your little heart.
 
Let's get this thread back on the rails...where'd we start? ...oh ya, the tide's gonna turn quickly so Nolies aren't supposed to get comfy.


Florida Gators Recruiting: Jim McElwain Has a Blue Chip Recruiting Problem

The Florida Gators are in an unusual position for a college football program in 2016. They're a team that runs a fairly conventional scheme by today's standards, and every year they play three other teams with fairly conventional schemes that happen to be elite recruiters: Florida State, Georgia, and LSU. And if UF should win its division, it's more likely than not these days to face another elite recruiter with a fairly conventional scheme in Alabama.

When teams that try to do roughly the same thing meet up in a game, the team with better players wins more often than not. Coaching ability can overcome that to a degree, but having better players will generally win out.


It is for that reason that Florida fans should be a bit worried by the 2016 class that Jim McElwain just signed. According to the 247Sports Composite, it contained only nine blue chip recruits (those getting a 4-star or 5-star rating). FSU and LSU each signed 18 of them, while Georgia netted 13. To go into further detail on the matter, let's look at the four-year trend.

School 2013 BCs 2014 BCs 2015 BCs 2016 BCs Total Average
Florida 15 9 5 9 38 9.5
Florida State 10 16 14 18 58 14.5
Georgia 15 13 14 13 55 13.8
LSU 19 17 13 18 67 16.8


Will Muschamp was able to continue Urban Meyer's high rate of signing blue chip recruits for his first three classes, but after the 4-8 disaster in 2013, it really fell off in 2014. Recruits largely held off from committing to Florida during the 2015 cycle given the uncertainty about Muschamp's job, and several of those who did commit to Muschamp bailed after he was fired. A low number of blue chips in 2015 was to be expected given the lame duck aspect of Muschamp's final year and how much McElwain's new staff had to scramble to fill out the class.

What it meant, though, is that UF signed fewer blue chip recruits across 2014-15 than it did in 2013 alone. Combined with the new class, it also means that the Gators have signed 17 fewer blue chips than Georgia, 20 fewer than FSU, and 29 (!) fewer than LSU over the past four years.

But because teams sign different numbers of players each year, let's look at what percentage of the classes in question were composed of blue chip recruits.


School 2013 BC Pct. 2014 BC Pct. 2015 BC Pct. 2016 BC Pct. Overall BC Pct.
Florida 53.6% 37.5% 23.8% 36.0% 38.8%
Florida State 45.5% 55.2% 70.0% 72.0% 60.4%
Georgia 44.1% 61.9% 46.7% 65.0% 52.4%
LSU 67.9% 63.0% 54.2% 75.0% 65.0%


It's likely that Florida's 2016 class was hurt by the fact that, after beating Georgia, the 2015 team removed its rubber mask Scooby Doo villain-style and revealed itself to be mostly another Muschamp team in November and on. There's only so much fixing that can be done in one year, after all. Once attrition began to set in, the all-around thinness showed and the team's quality sank.

Even so, the second recruiting class is supposed to be where a great recruiter begins to shine. It's not done on short notice like a transitional class. Real relationships form, and better evaluations happen. Further, it's still early enough in a coach's tenure to spin on-field struggles with a, "that's why we need you" pitch.

McElwain simply was not able to get highly rated recruits to sign with Florida like Urban Meyer, and, for a while, Muschamp were able to do. His blue chip rate is not up to par with those of Florida State, Georgia, and LSU either. It's one thing to have an iffy transitional class; every coach gets a pass for that. It's another to follow it up with a second class with fewer than 40% of the players getting a premium grade.

You should take this with a Muschamp-sized asterisk, but in the time since the Gators switched to a conventional scheme like the others have in 2011, they've gone 0-3, 2-1, 0-3, 1-2, and 1-2 against FSU, UGA, and LSU. It's going to be difficult to do much better than that when UF is at a deficit of top end talent.

I haven't even mentioned division rival Tennessee, which has been recruiting at a high level under Butch Jones. Despite only getting four blue chips in his transitional 2013 class, Jones has signed 46 blue chip recruits over the past four years. That's more than Florida's 38. And despite needing to sign every warm body he could in 2014 and 2015 to restock a depleted roster, his blue chip percentage was greater than 50% in both of those years. His four-year percentage is 42.6%, which is higher than UF's 38.8% despite UT only have a 16.0% rate in '13.

I also haven't mentioned Miami (FL), which was not recruiting at an elite level under Al Golden. The Hurricanes replaced him with Mark Richt, who signed three of those Georgia classes listed above and set the table for the fourth. Despite 2016's class being a transitional one for him at UM, Richt nabbed ten blue chips (one more than Florida did) and had a blue chip percentage of 55.6%. Florida and Miami may not play each other annually, but having a great recruiter in Coral Gables makes the job of recruiting tougher for the Gators. UF signed just four top-50 Composite recruits from the state of Florida in 2016; all ten of Miami's were in-state, while FSU got eight.

Maybe McElwain and his staff will prove to be great at player development. Maybe they've got a better eye for talent than the recruiting services do. After all, Antonio Callaway was a 3-star recruit last year, and he just had one of the best seasons a true freshman wide receiver has ever had in Gainesville, if not the best.

We know it's possible to win the SEC East by outperforming your recruiting rankings; just ask Missouri. It hasn't proven possible lately to win the overall SEC or the national championship without being an elite recruiter, though, and contending for and winning those things are what Florida's expectations are.

So far, McElwain has been good at recruiting but not elite. It's still early in his tenure in Gainesville, but it's hard not to say that he needs to step it up.



LINK: Florida Gators Recruiting: Jim McElwain Has a Blue Chip Recruiting Problem
http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2016/...iting-jim-mcelwain-has-a-blue-chip-recruiting
 
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