Ya...and we're the joke. Actually, you are. UF is in recovery mode after Muschamp and Dumbo is "reloading" as nulls would put it. LMAO. You are going to be in for a rough patch for about 10 years. Mark it.
Jimbo was going to LSU
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Back to the topic. JF wasn't going to leave - it was his agent doing all the talking.
Miles buyout at $15M
Asst Coaches buyout at $2M
Buyout of JF at $5M
JF would probably want a nice raise at $6M+ (he currently makes $5M)
and a few million for his staff.
Total price >$25M
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN (this is just positioning for a nice raise for JF)
Miles buyout at $15M
Asst Coaches buyout at $2M
Buyout of JF at $5M
JF would probably want a nice raise at $6M+ (he currently makes $5M)
and a few million for his staff.
Total price >$25M
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN (this is just positioning for a nice raise for JF)
He's relied on a steady diet of Muschamp and Golden and a suckass schedule. Four loss Fisher will be thus again, even in the lowly ACC without Winston. Fisher sucked a hogs ass while being the coach in waiting when he was facing competent competition before Meyer checked into the psyche ward. Fisher didn't even scare anyone as LSU's OC while coaching under Saban. Get real. Cycles come and go, and with it, goes Dumbo. Mark it.
You guys keep telling us how much he sucks. He just keeps stomping mud holes in you. Keeps reeling in top 5 classes. Keeps sending record numbers of picks to the league. Keeps going to big time bowls and winning them.
Did you enjoy seeing the swamp empty out at the start of the 4th for the third consecutive time against FSU?
Don't kid yourself over a couple of good years. We are still your daddy, so show a little respect until you change that. FSU has had a good stretch, but all that changes in a season or two. Cook is literally the only weapon you have offensively. Your QB play is average and time will tell if you can continue your success. I still can't fathom how in the world you lost to Ga Tech???
What is your criteria for being ones' "daddy"? National Championships? Top 25 finishes? Top 10 Finishes, Heisman Trophy winners? All-Americans? NFL players? Bowl Record? Overall Winning Percentage? Head-to-head?
UF National Championships = 3
FSU National Championships = 3
UF Heisman Winners = 3
FSU Heisman Winners = 3
UF AP Top 25 Rankings = Ranked in AP Poll: 35 Times (Preseason), 29 Times (Final), 565 Weeks (Total)
FSU AP Top 25 Rankings = Ranked in AP Poll: 37 Times (Preseason), 31 Times (Final), 537 Weeks (Total)
UF AP Top 10 Finishes = 15
FSU AP Top 10 Finishes = 18
UF Consensus All Americans = 29 (wiki says 31)
FSU Consensus All Americans = 35 (wiki says 42)
UF Bowls and Record = 41 Bowls, 21-20, .512 W-L%
FSU Bowls and Record = 42 Bowls, 25-15-2, .619 W-L%
UF Overall Record = 104 Years, 674-399-37, .624 W-L%
FSU Overall Record = 62 Years, 497-219-16, .690 W-L%
UF Conference Titles = 9
FSU Conference Titles = 15
UF Total NFL Drafted Players = 325*
FSU Total NFL Drafted Players = 261
UF 1st Round NFL Draft Picks = 49*
FSU 1st Round NFL Draft Picks = 42 (note that FSU's 1st Round percentage is higher)
Head-to-Head when both teams are ranked = 13-12-1 (FSU)
Head-to-Head Modern Era (1980-Present) = 19-18-1 (FSU)
Head-to-Head Life Time = 34-25-2 (UF)*
* = Indicates instances where UF can be considered FSU's "daddy".
That's all that matters...its a clear indicator of who's the daddy and who's the step child.
Go Canes!
Leave it to Marv to pick the ONLY two criteria where he "thinks" Miami has the edge on FSU.
Yes, Miami has 5 National Titles to FSU's 3; however, the head-to-head is tied 29-29-0 and next year FSU moves ahead 30-29-0. You guys do still hold the edge over UF; though with 5 titles to their 3 AND a 29-26-0 record.
LSU releases emails on Les Miles Saga. Pursuant to a public information request by a local television station.
There is nothing about college football, whether nationally or for the 2 Sunshine-State major public-university rivals, that changed or happened in 1980 to justify asserting "1980-Present" as the definition of a Modern Era for the Florida--FSU football game.
So 1980 should be recognized as a number chosen because it has a zero on its tail end (whoo-hoo!), in hopes of misleading simple-minded readers into believing that digit makes it significant. Of course, the goal is to boast of a "19-18-1" "Head-to-Head Modern Era" record that's in favor of FSU.
Considering potentially justifiable chronological dividing lines, none of these changed:
- Not NCAA rules;
- not the head coaches;
- not conference membership (independent FSU to ACC in 1992), thus not strength-of-schedule;
- not major stadium expansion, thus not home-field advantage;
- not t.v. contracts (NCAA v. Board of Regents of Univ. Of Okla. [and de facto, Univ. Of Ga.]: lower ct. decision in 1982, U.S. Supreme Ct. decision 83-271 in 1984).
But drawing the line at 1964 would ruin the contrived boast about the "Head-to-Head Modern Era":
Wikipedia on Florida–Florida_State_football_rivalry said:
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Note #: Usual disclaimers apply herein to the risks of trusting Wikipedia, but it's my most convenient source of precise records for chronology of FSU football. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida–Florida_State_football_rivalry>.
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Paul Attwood looks at 1982 as the beginning of the "Modern Era" of College Football:
While there is no one year that you can point to and say that this is the year everything changed for college football and recruiting I tend to look at 1982 as the beginning of the modern era of college football and recruiting. 1982 was the 50th anniversary of the SEC and it represents some major changes in the college football landscape. 1980 is also a rough point in time where cable TV and sports broadcasting starts to have an impact on the world of athletics (ESPN was founded in 1979).
I picked 1980 because it was the first year of the decade where both teams started truly being relevant on the National Stage (I should have used 1981, though with that premise) and it was the year I really started watching football. I was 7.
Not surprised I had to double check the record books as its actually 31-28, but you really think all that other crap matters...head to head and national championships is all they'll put on your tombstone unless you're a nolie and they add a bunch of other crap such as most rapes in a single year, most years of coming in fourth, almost the longest home win streak, almost won more championships, almost beat UM and UF more times...deal with it.
GO Canes!
"Paul Attwood"? Why should anyone reading ITG give a d@#n what an olympic bobsledder from across the Pond--in the U.K.--merely "tends to look at" about the best of the sports played in the U.S.A. by the Grace of God?
Whomever you're quoting ain't a household name, so hows 'bout a relevant link?
Don't yell at me, yell at Stassen, it's their database: LINK: http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin...nd=2014&team1=FloridaState&team2=MiamiFlorida
It says through 2014 we're 28-29-0. I adjusted for this years SIXTH STRAIGHT WIN to 29-29-0.
This source ALSO says the record is 29-29-0. LINK: http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/florida-state/head-to-head.html
Even if you're right, it won't be for long.
It's 31-29 and yes we will soon have the lead.
# Date Location Winner Score
1 October 5, 1951 Miami, FL Miami 35–13
2 September 25, 1953 Miami, FL Miami 27–0
3 September 30, 1955 Miami, FL Miami 34–0
4 November 11, 1956 Miami, FL Miami 20–7
5 November 8, 1957 Tallahassee, FL Miami 40–13
6 November 7, 1958 Miami, FL Florida State 17–7
7 October 3, 1959 Tallahassee, FL Miami 7–6
8 November 4, 1960 Miami, FL Miami 25–7
9 October 5, 1962 Miami, FL #9 Miami 7–6
10 September 20, 1963 Miami, FL Florida State 24–0
11 September 19, 1964 Miami, FL Florida State 14–0
12 September 24, 1966 Miami, FL Florida State 23–20
13 September 26, 1969 Miami, FL Florida State 16–14
14 October 30, 1970 Miami, FL Florida State 27–3
15 September 18, 1971 Miami, FL Florida State 20–17
16 September 16, 1972 Miami, FL #20 Florida State 37–14
17 September 29, 1973 Tallahassee, FL #18 Miami 14–10
18 November 8, 1974 Miami, FL Florida State 34–8
19 November 15, 1975 Tallahassee, FL Miami 24–22
20 September 19, 1976 Miami, FL Miami 40–0
21 September 24, 1977 Tallahassee, FL Miami 23–17
22 September 23, 1978 Miami, FL #13 Florida State 31–21
23 September 22, 1979 Tallahassee, FL #14 Florida State 40–23
24 September 27, 1980 Miami, FL Miami 10–9
25 November 28, 1981 Tallahassee, FL #13 Miami 27–19
26 October 30, 1982 Miami, FL #14 Florida State 24–7
27 December 3, 1983 Tallahassee, FL #6 Miami 17–16
28 September 22, 1984 Miami, FL #15 Florida State 38–3
29 November 2, 1985 Tallahassee, FL #11 Miami 35–27
30 October 1, 1986 Miami, FL #1 Miami 41–23
31 October 3, 1987 Tallahassee, FL #3 Miami 26–25
# Date Location Winner Score
32 September 3, 1988 Miami, FL #6 Miami 31–0
33 October 28, 1989 Tallahassee, FL #9 Florida State 24–10
34 December 1, 1990 Miami, FL #9 Miami 31–22
35 November 16, 1991 Tallahassee, FL #2 Miami 17–16
36 October 3, 1992 Miami, FL #2 Miami 19–16
37 November 27, 1993 Tallahassee, FL #1 Florida State 28–10
38 October 8, 1994 Miami, FL #13 Miami 34–20
39 October 7, 1995 Tallahassee, FL #1 Florida State 41–17
40 October 12, 1996 Miami, FL #3 Florida State 34–16
41 October 4, 1997 Tallahassee, FL #4 Florida State 47–0
42 October 10, 1998 Miami, FL #8 Florida State 26–14
43 October 9, 1999 Tallahassee, FL #1 Florida State 31–21
44 October 7, 2000 Miami, FL #7 Miami 27–24
45 October 13, 2001 Tallahassee, FL #2 Miami 49–27
46 October 12, 2002 Miami, FL #1 Miami 28–27
47 October 11, 2003 Tallahassee, FL #2 Miami 22–14
48 January 1, 2004 Miami, FL #10 Miami 16–14
49 September 10, 2004 Miami, FL #5 Miami 16–10
50 September 5, 2005 Tallahassee, FL #14 Florida State 10–7
51 September 4, 2006 Miami, FL #10 Florida State 13–10
52 October 20, 2007 Tallahassee, FL Miami 37–29
53 October 8, 2008 Miami Gardens, FL Florida State 41–39
54 September 7, 2009 Tallahassee, FL Miami 38–34
55 October 9, 2010 Miami Gardens, FL #23 Florida State 45–17
56 November 12, 2011 Tallahassee, FL Florida State 23–19
57 October 20, 2012 Miami Gardens, FL #12 Florida State 33–20
58 November 2, 2013 Tallahassee, FL #3 Florida State 41–14
59 November 15, 2014 Miami Gardens, FL #2 Florida State 30–26
60 October 10, 2015 Tallahassee, FL #12 Florida State 29–24
Series: Miami leads 31–29
# Date Location Winner Score
1 October 5, 1951 Miami, FL Miami 35–13
2 September 25, 1953 Miami, FL Miami 27–0
3 September 30, 1955 Miami, FL Miami 34–0
4 November 11, 1956 Miami, FL Miami 20–7
5 November 8, 1957 Tallahassee, FL Miami 40–13
6 November 7, 1958 Miami, FL Florida State 17–7
7 October 3, 1959 Tallahassee, FL Miami 7–6
8 November 4, 1960 Miami, FL Miami 25–7
9 October 5, 1962 Miami, FL #9 Miami 7–6
10 September 20, 1963 Miami, FL Florida State 24–0
11 September 19, 1964 Miami, FL Florida State 14–0
12 September 24, 1966 Miami, FL Florida State 23–20
13 September 26, 1969 Miami, FL Florida State 16–14
14 October 30, 1970 Miami, FL Florida State 27–3
15 September 18, 1971 Miami, FL Florida State 20–17
16 September 16, 1972 Miami, FL #20 Florida State 37–14
17 September 29, 1973 Tallahassee, FL #18 Miami 14–10
18 November 8, 1974 Miami, FL Florida State 34–8
19 November 15, 1975 Tallahassee, FL Miami 24–22
20 September 19, 1976 Miami, FL Miami 40–0
21 September 24, 1977 Tallahassee, FL Miami 23–17
22 September 23, 1978 Miami, FL #13 Florida State 31–21
23 September 22, 1979 Tallahassee, FL #14 Florida State 40–23
24 September 27, 1980 Miami, FL Miami 10–9
25 November 28, 1981 Tallahassee, FL #13 Miami 27–19
26 October 30, 1982 Miami, FL #14 Florida State 24–7
27 December 3, 1983 Tallahassee, FL #6 Miami 17–16
28 September 22, 1984 Miami, FL #15 Florida State 38–3
29 November 2, 1985 Tallahassee, FL #11 Miami 35–27
30 October 1, 1986 Miami, FL #1 Miami 41–23
31 October 3, 1987 Tallahassee, FL #3 Miami 26–25
# Date Location Winner Score
32 September 3, 1988 Miami, FL #6 Miami 31–0
33 October 28, 1989 Tallahassee, FL #9 Florida State 24–10
34 December 1, 1990 Miami, FL #9 Miami 31–22
35 November 16, 1991 Tallahassee, FL #2 Miami 17–16
36 October 3, 1992 Miami, FL #2 Miami 19–16
37 November 27, 1993 Tallahassee, FL #1 Florida State 28–10
38 October 8, 1994 Miami, FL #13 Miami 34–20
39 October 7, 1995 Tallahassee, FL #1 Florida State 41–17
40 October 12, 1996 Miami, FL #3 Florida State 34–16
41 October 4, 1997 Tallahassee, FL #4 Florida State 47–0
42 October 10, 1998 Miami, FL #8 Florida State 26–14
43 October 9, 1999 Tallahassee, FL #1 Florida State 31–21
44 October 7, 2000 Miami, FL #7 Miami 27–24
45 October 13, 2001 Tallahassee, FL #2 Miami 49–27
46 October 12, 2002 Miami, FL #1 Miami 28–27
47 October 11, 2003 Tallahassee, FL #2 Miami 22–14
48 January 1, 2004 Miami, FL #10 Miami 16–14
49 September 10, 2004 Miami, FL #5 Miami 16–10
50 September 5, 2005 Tallahassee, FL #14 Florida State 10–7
51 September 4, 2006 Miami, FL #10 Florida State 13–10
52 October 20, 2007 Tallahassee, FL Miami 37–29
53 October 8, 2008 Miami Gardens, FL Florida State 41–39
54 September 7, 2009 Tallahassee, FL Miami 38–34
55 October 9, 2010 Miami Gardens, FL #23 Florida State 45–17
56 November 12, 2011 Tallahassee, FL Florida State 23–19
57 October 20, 2012 Miami Gardens, FL #12 Florida State 33–20
58 November 2, 2013 Tallahassee, FL #3 Florida State 41–14
59 November 15, 2014 Miami Gardens, FL #2 Florida State 30–26
60 October 10, 2015 Tallahassee, FL #12 Florida State 29–24
Series: Miami leads 31–29
Don't care how you look at it, you can throw numbers all over the place. Bottom line is that UF is the better program hands down. FSU isn't far behind, but from a business perspective, we are the better the program and have been for decades. Dumbo has been fortunate to take advantage of some down years at UF, but those days are hopefully over.
Just like Urban took advantage of when FSU was down. It goes both ways.
Right now we are better than you. Next year we both can prove who is better.
FSU even in their down year has basically been at their peak as a program and coming off a NC two years ago and the playoff last year.. While we have been as down as the program can basically fall for 3 years and won 10 games this year and THEN got stuck with a QB like treon. Florida will be just fine, especially after this next class and back to where they should be on the field.
These sound like pretty valid arguments. Nowhere do I see "we would have won, but..."
You guys won this year. Not sure you were the best team on the field. End of the day, you executed better. Our defense held in you in check most of the game. Our lack of execution was the deciding factor... All part football. I think factually we can prove Grier's impact was debasing throughout the season to our offense. Additionally, Missouri and UGA were crippled due to a suspension and a significant injury. Shit happens and th SEC East was down. Barring injury, don't expect it to be down as bad as it was this year.
Fisher does suck. Let me put this in simple terms for you. Ron Zook, for all intents and purposes owned FSU (no one will EVER forget the Swindle) so that put him 2-1 against the nulls. Fisher has basked with the sun shining on his dog ass while UF suffered Muschamp and UM's coaching situation for eons. Zook coached in the SEC, not the lowly ACC so he was snuffed out quickly. Fisher doesn't have that same situation. Can we assume Zook was a good coach because he not only owned FSU during the Booby days and was competitive in the SEC? No. That same logic applies to Fisher. Fisher absolutely lucked out getting Winston and catching UF and UM at their most dismal stretches in 30 years.
That hardly puts Fisher in elite status. Minus Winston, he would been lucky to be 4 Loss Fisher.
Fisher does suck. Let me put this in simple terms for you. Ron Zook, for all intents and purposes owned FSU (no one will EVER forget the Swindle) so that put him 2-1 against the nulls. Fisher has basked with the sun shining on his dog ass while UF suffered Muschamp and UM's coaching situation for eons. Zook coached in the SEC, not the lowly ACC so he was snuffed out quickly. Fisher doesn't have that same situation. Can we assume Zook was a good coach because he not only owned FSU during the Booby days and was competitive in the SEC? No. That same logic applies to Fisher. Fisher absolutely lucked out getting Winston and catching UF and UM at their most dismal stretches in 30 years.
That hardly puts Fisher in elite status. Minus Winston, he would been lucky to be 4 Loss Fisher.
FSU is down, unranked and barely squeezing out winning seasons, but UF isn't considered to be "taking advantage" of a past his prime Bobby and his TERRIBLE son Jeff.
Fisher turns around and returns the favor vs Meyer, Champ, and Mac and it's taking advantage of a down UF and Fisher sucks.
Here's a tip, UF doesn't define Fisher's tenure. If you want a real stat, look up the two teams when they are not down. Here's a hint...the record is 13-12-1 when neither team is down.
Fisher does suck. Let me put this in simple terms for you. Ron Zook, for all intents and purposes owned FSU (no one will EVER forget the Swindle) so that put him 2-1 against the nulls. Fisher has basked with the sun shining on his dog ass while UF suffered Muschamp and UM's coaching situation for eons. Zook coached in the SEC, not the lowly ACC so he was snuffed out quickly. Fisher doesn't have that same situation. Can we assume Zook was a good coach because he not only owned FSU during the Booby days and was competitive in the SEC? No. That same logic applies to Fisher. Fisher absolutely lucked out getting Winston and catching UF and UM at their most dismal stretches in 30 years.
That hardly puts Fisher in elite status. Minus Winston, he would been lucky to be 4 Loss Fisher.
I must have missed Ron Zook's 4 consecutive top 10 finishes.
FSU is down, unranked and barely squeezing out winning seasons, but UF isn't considered to be "taking advantage" of a past his prime Bobby and his TERRIBLE son Jeff.
Fisher turns around and returns the favor vs Meyer, Champ, and Mac and it's taking advantage of a down UF and Fisher sucks.
Here's a tip, UF doesn't define Fisher's tenure. If you want a real stat, look up the two teams when they are not down. Here's a hint...the record is 13-12-1 when neither team is down.
Fisher only had a 4 year running head start.... I would hope he would have figured out how to beat UF after getting his ass spanked 6 in a row.
While in no possible way do I agree any assistant coach has a won/loss record, how in the world do you come up with JF going 0 for 6? While he was an asst (HCIW) FSU went 0 for 3 in 2007, 08, 09. He became coach in 2010 and is 5 -1 vs UF. JF doesn't have 6 losses vs UF any way you might want to count it.
Correct. He beat Urban during his meltdown farewell tour year, Muscramp 3 out of 4, and a Grier-less UF in first year coach Mac. That is factual. That is pure dominance.
lolz................. Jimbo scares nobody that plays in the SEC. That goes way back to when he was an assistant to Saban.
Minus his math, you can't refute my facts.
My math have been off, but You're exactly right. fisher doesn't scare anybody that remotely plays defense.
Correct. He beat Urban during his meltdown farewell tour year, Muscramp 3 out of 4, and a Grier-less UF in first year coach Mac. That is factual. That is pure dominance.
lolz................. Jimbo scares nobody that plays in the SEC. That goes way back to when he was an assistant to Saban.
At least people knew who Jimbo was when he was Saban's OC. Be truthful, had you ever heard of Jim MacElwain until he became a candidate for the UF job?
So the Gators didn't remotely play defense this year? Pretty sure I heard it called "elite".
You know absolutely nothing about football. Fisher is the only head coach in college football that has had four quarterbacks drafted in the first round...I guess that was an accident.
- Orlando Sentinel: FSU runs a pro-style offense, but Jimbo Fisher’s playbook is complex even by NFL standards.
LINK: FSU's offense could be more complex than what some pro teams run
- ESPN: Florida State coach Jimbo Fisher and Clemson offensive coordinator Chad Morris are two of the best offensive minds in football
LINK: Fisher vs. Morris: A difference in genius
- CoachingSearch.com: How complex is Jimbo Fisher's offense? According to his former quarterback EJ Manuel, the Florida State offense was more difficult to learn than the Buffalo Bills' system.
LINK: EJ Manuel: Jimbo's offense is more complex than the Bills' offense
It's not whether or not other teams are "scared" of Jimbo's offense...it's whether or not they feel the team is executing Jimbo's offense to the point they will struggle on defense. I guarandamntee you folks have been scared of Jimbo's offense the last two seasons and they will be again come 2016.
IMO, the real question is does a college offense need to be this dadgum difficult.
Fisher does suck. Let me put this in simple terms for you. Ron Zook, for all intents and purposes owned FSU (no one will EVER forget the Swindle) so that put him 2-1 against the nulls. Fisher has basked with the sun shining on his dog ass while UF suffered Muschamp and UM's coaching situation for eons. Zook coached in the SEC, not the lowly ACC so he was snuffed out quickly. Fisher doesn't have that same situation. Can we assume Zook was a good coach because he not only owned FSU during the Booby days and was competitive in the SEC? No. That same logic applies to Fisher. Fisher absolutely lucked out getting Winston and catching UF and UM at their most dismal stretches in 30 years.
That hardly puts Fisher in elite status. Minus Winston, he would been lucky to be 4 Loss Fisher.
This is Dave Chappelle stand up quality material! Wow! Good job my man!
Complex to EJ? Be honest, that ain't saying much....and to the point, are you asserting complex equals good?
Fisher does suck. Let me put this in simple terms for you. Ron Zook, for all intents and purposes owned FSU (no one will EVER forget the Swindle) so that put him 2-1 against the nulls. Fisher has basked with the sun shining on his dog ass while UF suffered Muschamp and UM's coaching situation for eons. Zook coached in the SEC, not the lowly ACC so he was snuffed out quickly. Fisher doesn't have that same situation. Can we assume Zook was a good coach because he not only owned FSU during the Booby days and was competitive in the SEC? No. That same logic applies to Fisher. Fisher absolutely lucked out getting Winston and catching UF and UM at their most dismal stretches in 30 years.
That hardly puts Fisher in elite status. Minus Winston, he would been lucky to be 4 Loss Fisher.
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