In case you need ONE more reason to not watch the NFL this year

[DCandtheUTBand]

Your conflating two separate issues. One is the right of athletes to speak out. That has nothing to do with looting, arson or looting.

Secondly, social justice issues are just as important as the issues you mentioned. What you are proposing is that only right wing issues are important.

First I will not accept leftist premises as the starting point for discussion.

Nah, they have a right to speak but the fans have a right to ask them to shut up if they want to continue to receive patronage. No athlete has a right to the fans money.

But their voice lends itself to the broader subversive socialist movements of BLM , Antifa etc.

In other words they are no better than Jane Fonda sitting on an AA gun inside enemy territory and bad mouthing her country during the war in Vietnam. Her actions were nonviolent and "fee speech." But by constitutional definition she committed treason. (Of course SJW are not committing treason. before you get distracted and get off track and head down that rabbit hole.)

20 years earlier she would have been imprisoned for life or shot.

"Social issues" are either based in false narratives or are incompatible with American democratic republicanism and are therefore to be resisted, ridiculed and defeated. They are important ONLY because the are false and dangerous.

I reject the premise that there is anything worthy of merit, valid or noble about "social justice." There is justice and equality under the law or there is injustice. There is no "social" justice. I don't do Orwell speak or let the left frame the narrative in their terms.

 

[BSC911]

Lol. Man. U always get put in ur place on here. Lol. U might want to find another where u fit better. I’m sure cnn has a group for u. Haha
They didn’t decide their voices should be heard. They were bullied n pressured. As for the fan response, it’s being heard in ratings and the NFL will soon figure that out also. Lol.

Why? I own this place and have been posting here longer than any of you all. You May enjoy an echo chamber, I enjoy pointing out the hypocracy of you Righties. To each his own.

Not to mention this is a Gator Board so all of those other fan bases can leave if they don’t like it. Most of them are losers anyway.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

Lol. Man. U always get put in ur place on here. Lol. U might want to find another where u fit better. I’m sure cnn has a group for u. Haha
They didn’t decide their voices should be heard. They were bullied n pressured. As for the fan response, it’s being heard in ratings and the NFL will soon figure that out also. Lol.

he is a masochist and like the red @ss

 

[BSC911]

First I will not accept leftist premises as the starting point for discussion.

Nah, they have a right to speak but the fans have a right to ask them to shut up if they want to continue to receive patronage. No athlete has a right to the fans money.

But their voice lends itself to the broader subversive socialist movements of BLM , Antifa etc.

In other words they are no better than Jane Fonda sitting on an AA gun inside enemy territory and bad mouthing her country during the war in Vietnam. Her actions were nonviolent and "fee speech." But by constitutional definition she committed treason. (Of course SJW are not committing treason. before you get distracted and get off track and head down that rabbit hole.)

20 years earlier she would have been imprisoned for life or shot.

"Social issues" are either based in false narratives or are incompatible with American democratic republicanism and are therefore to be resisted, ridiculed and defeated. They are important ONLY because the are false and dangerous.

I reject the premise that there is anything worthy of merit, valid or noble about "social justice." There is justice and equality under the law or there is injustice. There is no "social" justice. I don't do Orwell speak or let the left frame the narrative in their terms.

I agree with some of this. Yes, they have the right to speak out, and people have the right to be offended and not watch or buy tickets. I have the right to call those people snowflakes.

You reject the notion of social justice because you have never experienced it. While i agree that some of their claims are overblown, and some of their demands unrealistic, you can’t claim their is equal social justice when every study indicates otherwise.

Of course you reject there is anything of merit. It doesn’t affect you.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

You reject the notion of social justice because you have never experienced it. While i agree that some of their claims are overblown, and some of their demands unrealistic, you can’t claim their is equal social justice when every study indicates otherwise.

IT doesn't EXIST.

Its an Orwellian diatribe of false terms

 

[BSC911]

That's not the Novus Ordo which you apparently do not subscribe to. And sadly, those associated with the Latin Rite think the Novus Ordo is heretical and filled with error. If you still hold to that notion that anyone outside the Catholic Church (and the Novus Ordo) cannot receive merciful salvation from our Lord, then you are misguided. And how is it that you are saved by merely being a member of a church? It isn't the church that saves you, it's acceptance of the finished work of Jesus Christ on the Cross. Only Jesus saves, not the Church. Nothing the church has or does can save you. Period. End of story. The Church is there to guide you along, not to save you. Tell me HOW the church saves you but not me? Tell me how my leaving the Catholic Church, I've condemned myself to hell? Tell me how a righteous, holy and merciful God would and could do such a thing? Tell me how millions of Christians are going to hell simply for the fact they are not in complete communion with the teachings of the Catholic Church? And tell me how you are on the side of baby killers and still believe you are so sanctimonious that you are the one going to heaven because you belong to a church. BTW, church isn't an organizational religion, it's the people of God.

Bottom line, it gets down to the sacraments. The One True Church, given the authority by Jesus, enforces God’s will. Once you leave the Church, and fail to confess your sins thru God’s representatives and provide penance for for those sins, they remain on your mortal soul.

But I’m sure you already knew that, but choose, like Luther, to reject those teachings. You choose to follow a defrocked heretics teachings. Sorry, that‘s a no go.

While God is merciful, he is also vengeful.

PS. I do not support the Dem Party or its entire platform. Nor the Pubs. I’m an independent thinker, unlike most on here.

 

[BSC911]

IT doesn't EXIST.

Its an Orwellian diatribe of false terms

Tell that to the people that have been deprived of it.

 

[BlueEyedGator17]

Why? I own this place and have been posting here longer than any of you all. You May enjoy an echo chamber, I enjoy pointing out the hypocracy of you Righties. To each his own.

Not to mention this is a Gator Board so all of those other fan bases can leave if they don’t like it. Most of them are losers anyway.

Haha. Own this place? Since I’ve been around everyone has been eating ur lunch. Lol.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

Tell that to the people that have been deprived of it.

Deprived of WHAT?

 

[BSC911]

Haha. Own this place? Since I’ve been around everyone has been eating ur lunch. Lol.

Nobody eats anybody’s lunch on a message board. You must be a Millennial. Am I outnumbered? Sure. But so we’re the Texans at the Alamo. . .

 

[BSC911]

Deprived of WHAT?

Social justice. Are we talking in circles?

 

[BlueEyedGator17]

Nobody eats anybody’s lunch on a message board. You must be a Millennial. Am I outnumbered? Sure. But so we’re the Texans at the Alamo. . .

Oh, I guess I have to explain what that means for u. lol. Nope, rather not. Not a millennial either.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

Social justice. Are we talking in circles?

Apparently we are. I WAS having fun but your obtuseness (real or feigned) ruined the moment.

Justice: the maintenance or administration of what is just especially by the impartial adjustment of conflicting claims or the assignment of merited rewards or punishments.

Should I highlight the relevant word or allow you to wander around blind and obtuse to the oxymoronic nature of the Orwellian term social justice.

hint: If they were deprived , then they were deprived of JUSTICE! I lead you to the answer and you failed miserably.

To quote your favorite moron " Come on man"

 

[BSC911]

That's because you're a FAKE Christian. You call yourself a thinking Christian and follow along the lines of scholars, but you are FAKE. Wolf in sheep's clothing. You want to proclaim yourself a Catholic? You've got to wake up my friend because you are traveling down a precarious road - perdition awaits you if you don't change. I'm looking at your guidance and acceptance of a false truth. I'm not judging - I'm simply reading your history and your present stance in life. It's flawed and it's a serious stab to your eternal soul. That's what we do as Christians - we call out the unrighteousness we see. Do you find it in me? Call me out on it. I pray it's a worthy calling and I can repent and turn away from the evil way I found myself. Can you do the same? I'm calling you out! John 3:19, "This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil."

Are YOU a fake Christian? . (Not for me to judge).

Do you reject abortion but then turn your back on the unwanted babies?
Do you speak out when children are separated from their children?
Is a Wall more important than a Bridge?
Do you speak out when food, health and shelter is deprived for the “least of these.”
Do you call out Trump for his hateful words against his neighbors?

Or are you more tied to the Republican Party than God’s Word?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Why? I own this place and have been posting here longer than any of you all.

Fact-Check: False. Your first post here was this gem: https://florida.forums.rivals.com/threads/trumper-bots-have-ruined-this-board.70288/

That was in 2018, most of us here had been posting here years longer than that. And your profile shows you joined this site in 2018 as well.

Additionally, you claimed that you posted on other boards, but your posting history (which you didn't know we could see) showed that this was the only board you posted on. You then left a token post on Swamp Talk and claimed that proved you posted on other boards.

In fact, one can check your posting history and confirm that this is still the only board you post on. The first rule of lying is make sure you are smarter than the people you are lying to. You tripped on the starting line.

 

[kjfreeze]

Are YOU a fake Christian? . (Not for me to judge).

Do you reject abortion but then turn your back on the unwanted babies?
Do you speak out when children are separated from their children?
Is a Wall more important than a Bridge?
Do you speak out when food, health and shelter is deprived for the “least of these.”
Do you call out Trump for his hateful words against his neighbors?

Or are you more tied to the Republican Party than God’s Word?

That was a horrible reply to my post. But I'll try and answer these questions.
Do you reject [ACCEPT?] abortion but then turn your back on the unwanted babies? Not quite sure what you mean here but I am an advocate for adoption. My one and only son is adopted.
Do you speak out when children are separated from their [PARENTS?] children? Not sure what you mean hear, but accepting abortion supersedes and sets precedence on any other moral decisions one may have.
Is a Wall more important than a Bridge? Once again, not quite sure what you mean unless you think immigration reform is bad and bad people always cross over to America. Lots more to say here.
Do you speak out when food, health and shelter is deprived for the “least of these.” Huh? I know Trump has done more for inner cities than any other president I've know. You think Trump is in to making people starve and not have proper health care and shelter? What the heck planet are you from?
Do you call out Trump for his hateful words against his neighbors? Not personally - never met him, but sticks and stones... I do not condone it. Never have. Never will, but at least he never told someone they're a lying dog-faced pony soldier.

Or are you more tied to the Republican Party than God’s Word? That doesn't make sense, but then again you don't make sense. You're the one who said you don't hold much emphasis on the bible and weigh it like a scholar does, which doesn't impress me in the least. I can safely say that God's Word indeed says, "Thou Shalt Not Kill."

Now tell me how your Church can save you outside of Christ? To you salvation is Christ AND the Church, right?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Are YOU a fake Christian? . (Not for me to judge).

Do you reject abortion but then turn your back on the unwanted babies?

Whataboutism isn't a defense for condoning the murdering of babies. No decent person needs this explained to them.

 

[BSC911]

That was a horrible reply to my post. But I'll try and answer these questions.
Do you reject [ACCEPT?] abortion but then turn your back on the unwanted babies? Not quite sure what you mean here but I am an advocate for adoption. My one and only son is adopted.
Do you speak out when children are separated from their [PARENTS?] children? Not sure what you mean hear, but accepting abortion supersedes and sets precedence on any other moral decisions one may have.
Is a Wall more important than a Bridge? Once again, not quite sure what you mean unless you think immigration reform is bad and bad people always cross over to America. Lots more to say here.
Do you speak out when food, health and shelter is deprived for the “least of these.” Huh? I know Trump has done more for inner cities than any other president I've know. You think Trump is in to making people starve and not have proper health care and shelter? What the heck planet are you from?
Do you call out Trump for his hateful words against his neighbors? Not personally - never met him, but sticks and stones... I do not condone it. Never have. Never will, but at least he never told someone they're a lying dog-faced pony soldier.

Or are you more tied to the Republican Party than God’s Word? That doesn't make sense, but then again you don't make sense. You're the one who said you don't hold much emphasis on the bible and weigh it like a scholar does, which doesn't impress me in the least. I can safely say that God's Word indeed says, "Thou Shalt Not Kill."

Now tell me how your Church can save you outside of Christ? To you salvation is Christ AND the Church, right?

I never said I don’t hold much weight to the Bible. Where do you get that from?

And nice deflections on my questions. You are too much in Trumps pocket to give a reasonable response. That answers the last question.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I never said I don’t hold much weight to the Bible. Where do you get that from?

And nice deflections on my questions. You are too much in Trumps pocket to give a reasonable response. That answers the last question.

Speaking of deflections, why did you ignore him saying he has adopted?

You support the murdering of babies, he supports adoption. That really backfired in your face, didn't it?

 

[BSC911]

That was a horrible reply to my post. But I'll try and answer these questions.
Do you reject [ACCEPT?] abortion but then turn your back on the unwanted babies? Not quite sure what you mean here but I am an advocate for adoption. My one and only son is adopted.
Do you speak out when children are separated from their [PARENTS?] children? Not sure what you mean hear, but accepting abortion supersedes and sets precedence on any other moral decisions one may have.
Is a Wall more important than a Bridge? Once again, not quite sure what you mean unless you think immigration reform is bad and bad people always cross over to America. Lots more to say here.
Do you speak out when food, health and shelter is deprived for the “least of these.” Huh? I know Trump has done more for inner cities than any other president I've know. You think Trump is in to making people starve and not have proper health care and shelter? What the heck planet are you from?
Do you call out Trump for his hateful words against his neighbors? Not personally - never met him, but sticks and stones... I do not condone it. Never have. Never will, but at least he never told someone they're a lying dog-faced pony soldier.

Or are you more tied to the Republican Party than God’s Word? That doesn't make sense, but then again you don't make sense. You're the one who said you don't hold much emphasis on the bible and weigh it like a scholar does, which doesn't impress me in the least. I can safely say that God's Word indeed says, "Thou Shalt Not Kill."

Now tell me how your Church can save you outside of Christ? To you salvation is Christ AND the Church, right?

If abortion were the only thing that mattered, God wouldn’t have sent Ten Commandments.

Which reminds me a joke.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

If abortion were the only thing that mattered, God wouldn’t have sent Ten Commandments.

Thou Shalt Not Kill. How do you not know this?

 

[BSC911]

Oh, I guess I have to explain what that means for u. lol. Nope, rather not. Not a millennial either.

Do you win a prize for having “eaten someone’s lunch” on a message board?

 

[BSC911]

Apparently we are. I WAS having fun but your obtuseness (real or feigned) ruined the moment.

Justice: the maintenance or administration of what is just especially by the impartial adjustment of conflicting claims or the assignment of merited rewards or punishments.

Should I highlight the relevant word or allow you to wander around blind and obtuse to the oxymoronic nature of the Orwellian term social justice.

hint: If they were deprived , then they were deprived of JUSTICE! I lead you to the answer and you failed miserably.

To quote your favorite moron " Come on man"

Oh, I got it now. A play on words. Maybe I worded it poorly. I’m cool with that. I like having fun as well.

 

[BlueEyedGator17]

Do you win a prize for having “eaten someone’s lunch” on a message board?

Just the satisfaction of putting u in ur place You talk a lot of crap which explains why it happens so much to you. Lol

 

[BSC911]

Just the satisfaction of putting u in ur place You talk a lot of crap which explains why it happens so much to you. Lol

True. Very true. Someone has to stand up to you deranged Righties.

 

[gatordad3]

Thou Shalt Not Kill. How do you not know this?

 

[martycat1]

That's not the Novus Ordo which you apparently do not subscribe to. And sadly, those associated with the Latin Rite think the Novus Ordo is heretical and filled with error. If you still hold to that notion that anyone outside the Catholic Church (and the Novus Ordo) cannot receive merciful salvation from our Lord, then you are misguided. And how is it that you are saved by merely being a member of a church? It isn't the church that saves you, it's acceptance of the finished work of Jesus Christ on the Cross. Only Jesus saves, not the Church. Nothing the church has or does can save you. Period. End of story. The Church is there to guide you along, not to save you. Tell me HOW the church saves you but not me? Tell me how my leaving the Catholic Church, I've condemned myself to hell? Tell me how a righteous, holy and merciful God would and could do such a thing? Tell me how millions of Christians are going to hell simply for the fact they are not in complete communion with the teachings of the Catholic Church? And tell me how you are on the side of baby killers and still believe you are so sanctimonious that you are the one going to heaven because you belong to a church. BTW, church isn't an organizational religion, it's the people of God.

I wish I could have explained it better.

 

[kjfreeze]

I never said I don’t hold much weight to the Bible. Where do you get that from?

And nice deflections on my questions. You are too much in Trumps pocket to give a reasonable response. That answers the last question.

Deflections?
And as far as the bible, why do you need it? You've got the Church for salvation. Listen, for you and any Catholic here, I do not and will not bicker about religious affiliation as long as the central theme is salvation through Christ alone.

 

[martycat1]

Deflections?
And as far as the bible, why do you need it? You've got the Church for salvation. Listen, for you and any Catholic here, I do not and will not bicker about religious affiliation as long as the central theme is salvation through Christ alone.

Im going to jump in here and give my two pennies. When I moved my wife here from Utah (we went to school together. I was a military brat) she was Mormon. I was raised Baptist. We had a conversation on our way to a Pentecostal Church about how her mother would disown her if she knew what she was doing. I told her that we are all Christians and in this together. She agreed. I ask her if she has ever felt the Spirit. She told me that she thought so but a long time ago. To make a long story short. Although I am not that much of a believer in speaking in tongues and on another side of it if the rapture is real. I do know when I am in the Spirit of the Lord. When we meet our maker, I am pretty he will wrap His arms around us and say, You got a lot of it right, but here is the truth. Nobody knows everything 100%. We live on faith. I could go on but I will let it go.

 

[kjfreeze]

Im going to jump in here and give my two pennies. When I moved my wife here from Utah (we went to school together. I was a military brat) she was Mormon. I was raised Baptist. We had a conversation on our way to a Pentecostal Church about how her mother would disown her if she knew what she was doing. I told her that we are all Christians and in this together. She agreed. I ask her if she has ever felt the Spirit. She told me that she thought so but a long time ago. To make a long story short. Although I am not that much of a believer in speaking in tongues and on another side of it if the rapture is real. I do know when I am in the Spirit of the Lord. When we meet our maker, I am pretty he will wrap His arms around us and say, You got a lot of it right, but here is the truth. Nobody knows everything 100%. We live on faith. I could go on but I will let it go.

You wrote: You got a lot of it right, but here is the truth. Nobody knows everything 100%. We live on faith. I could go on but I will let it go.
You are so correct. I used to be a finger pointer as a Catholic. But I often wondered about Billy Graham. He amazed me with his faith. I knew a nondenominational music director who was always so cheerful and smiling. I wondered, why is he smiling all the time? How is it that Billy Graham was so holy and in love with the Lord, they weren't Catholic. Doesn't he know he's going to hell? I mean, I used to think like @BSC911 . But then I realized that God is so much bigger. He KNOWS my hearts desire to know, love and serve Him. I just don't do that well. These sites brings out the devil in me most of the time. lol.
And as far as Mormon. I know of a lady who believed in Jesus, left the Mormon church along with her 3 kids who went the Jesus as Savior route, but the husband/father didn't. He's disowned them. He never calls or attempts to see them at all. It's sad.

 

[martycat1]

You wrote: You got a lot of it right, but here is the truth. Nobody knows everything 100%. We live on faith. I could go on but I will let it go.
You are so correct. I used to be a finger pointer as a Catholic. But I often wondered about Billy Graham. He amazed me with his faith. I knew a nondenominational music director who was always so cheerful and smiling. I wondered, why is he smiling all the time? How is it that Billy Graham was so holy and in love with the Lord, they weren't Catholic. Doesn't he know he's going to hell? I mean, I used to think like @BSC911 . But then I realized that God is so much bigger. He KNOWS my hearts desire to know, love and serve Him. I just don't do that well. These sites brings out the devil in me most of the time. lol.
And as far as Mormon. I know of a lady who believed in Jesus, left the Mormon church along with her 3 kids who went the Jesus as Savior route, but the husband/father didn't. He's disowned them. He never calls or attempts to see them at all. It's sad.

Like I have stated before, God does not want to lose one single soul he created. If people just open their heart and ask Him to be a part of their lives. The wish will be granted. Nobody is perfect. Repent. While I am in Church, I am at my most peace. When I have to leave is when I look out those doors and know I have to face evil but I am better prepared for it.

 

[DCandtheUTBand]

Our problem is that we do not know Jewish culture or history. I love Hebraic studies but many go off to the extreme on that end and think we all have to keep Torah. The old testament is the new testament concealed and the new testament is the old testament revealed.

So where was Peter when Yehoshua talked about building His church on a rock and the gates of hell?

 

[martycat1]

Our problem is that we do not know Jewish culture or history. I love Hebraic studies but many go off to the extreme on that end and think we all have to keep Torah. The old testament is the new testament concealed and the new testament is the old testament revealed.

So where was Peter when Yehoshua talked about building His church on a rock and the gates of hell?

I am not 100% sure of where you are going, but go to Luke 4-16 and read on. The way I take it. Jesus was saying we are turning to a new page.

 

[kjfreeze]

Our problem is that we do not know Jewish culture or history. I love Hebraic studies but many go off to the extreme on that end and think we all have to keep Torah. The old testament is the new testament concealed and the new testament is the old testament revealed.

So where was Peter when Yehoshua talked about building His church on a rock and the gates of hell?

What did you mean by your last statement?

 

[martycat1]

I am not 100% sure of where you are going, but go to Luke 4-16 and read on. The way I take it. Jesus was saying we are turning to a new page.

Jesus was quoting out of the book of Isaiah.

 

[martycat1]

I am trying to put 2 and 2 together and dont want to get sidetracked, but I believe that when referring to the rock, that is Christianity. His church.

 

[kjfreeze]

I am trying to put 2 and 2 together and dont want to get sidetracked, but I believe that when referring to the rock, that is Christianity. His church.

Yeah, and then you get into the Petros and Petra argument: Big Stone, little rock or something like that.

 

[martycat1]

I am not trying to agitate, but lets bring in bsc911 to give us a summary.

 

[kjfreeze]

I am not trying to agitate, but lets bring in bsc911 to give us a summary.

I have a feeling he'll be here soon.

 

[martycat1]

I have a feeling he'll be here soon.

Over to you BSC911? How do you feel as to what has transpired on this message board since your dissappearence?