In before the gun confiscation NUTS.....

[fatman76]

I understand someone wrote 4.7M. I would like to see who arrived at that number and how they did it. If you guys can't provide that, no problem.

No one's here to hold your hand. I'm sure AI pulled it from somewhere.

It's not my data.

 

[GatorTheo]

No one's here to hold your hand. I'm sure AI pulled it from somewhere.

It's not my data.

Yeah, I would distance myself from those numbers too.

 

[GatorTheo]

Everyone here understands exactly what you are trying to do. Everyone but you understands that it's not working.


You've always claimed that there are only a few thousand DGUs a year at best, because that's all the media reports.

Both Gemini and Grok agree that the source of that claim, GVA, is way off. Both sources agree the actual number of DGUs a year is over a million, if not millions.

This is why it's a good idea to research these issues yourself, instead of blindly believing propaganda from the gun crazies.

You have a link to me claiming "that there are only a few thousand DGUs a year at best"?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

What are you talking about "your claims of a couple thousand a year"?

From earlier in this thread:

Weird. There are 'millions' of DGUs each year (83K+ per month) but you only hear about 1-2 a month.

So your theory is that the government and the media are successfully covering up over 2,700 DGUs every single day?

There are obviously some DGUs but 2,700 each day is very far-fetched.

Your claims were off. Insanely so. Oh well, now you know better. The real number of DGUs a year is thought to be over a million, possibly millions.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Yeah, I would distance myself from those numbers too.

And that's precisely what you are doing. You want no part of those numbers because they destroy your claims that '2700 DGUs each day seems far-fetched' LOL

You were wrong, just own it.

 

[GatorTheo]

From earlier in this thread:





Your claims were off. Insanely so. Oh well, now you know better. The real number of DGUs a year is thought to be over a million, possibly millions.

You think I am saying there are only 2,700 in a year?

That is some poor comprehension on your part!

For your future reference, I am saying THERE IS NO WAY THERE ARE 2,700 DGUS EVERY DAY.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

You think I am saying there are only 2,700 in a year?

That is some poor comprehension on your part!

For your future reference, I am saying THERE IS NO WAY THERE ARE 2,700 DGUS EVERY DAY.

Correct, it's thought to be at least 50-100% higher than that number. As both @fatman76 and I have told you.

You were wrong. A smart man would take this new information and adjust their stances toward DGUs accordingly.

A man with an irrational fear of an inanimate object (gun) would dismiss the facts they don't want to hear, and cling to their 2,700 fantasy.

Good luck.

 

[fatman76]

Yeah, I would distance myself from those numbers too.

How am I distancing myself?

I took 6 seconds, did a one sentence search, and posted the AI recap.

What part of the recap is wrong? What proof do you have that AI is making that number up?

The difference is one of us is open to research and looking at what it says. The other is so terrified by the result you're SURE it's complete BS...but you can't really provide any details, just feelings.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

How am I distancing myself?

I took 6 seconds, did a one sentence search, and posted the AI recap.

What part of the recap is wrong? What proof do you have that AI is making that number up?

The difference is one of us is open to research and looking at what it says. The other is so terrified by the result you're SURE it's complete BS...but you can't really provide any details, just feelings.

He's desperate to try to spin that no one NEEDS a gun. No one NEEDS to be terrified of an inanimate object, but here we are.

 

[LordofallSocks]

Ask AI like I did. It takes seconds.

Why am I doing your work for you?

One should not mud wrestle with pigs.

 

[fatman76]

One should not mud wrestle with pigs.

"Never argue with stupid people. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

- Mark Twain

 

[GatorTheo]

How am I distancing myself?

I took 6 seconds, did a one sentence search, and posted the AI recap.

What part of the recap is wrong? What proof do you have that AI is making that number up?

The difference is one of us is open to research and looking at what it says. The other is so terrified by the result you're SURE it's complete BS...but you can't really provide any details, just feelings.

You posted a number in excess of 4 million DGUs annually. When I pressed you on it, you danced around and eventually said they weren't your numbers. Obviously, you've correctly recognized that the 4 million number is far beyond a rational estimate and don't want to be associated with such lunacy.

 

[fatman76]

You posted a number in excess of 4 million DGUs annually. When I pressed you on it, you danced around and eventually said they weren't your numbers. Obviously, you've correctly recognized that the 4 million number is far beyond a rational estimate and don't want to be associated with such lunacy.

EVENTUALLY as in the VERY FIRST RESPONSE?

JFC you're trying to troll too hard. It was an AI recap, I copied and pasted the entire thing, showing it was the AI recap.

Here's the exact same copy and paste from the search. Try it yourself if you don't believe me.


Google: "how many dgu's happen per year"

Did you mean: how many dogs happen per year

AI Overview​

AI Overview
Learn more

Estimates of the number of defensive gun uses (DGUs) in the United States each year range from 55,000 to 4.7 million, depending on the study. The most widely accepted estimate is around 70,000 DGUs per year.

Explanation

• Survey methods
  Surveys can introduce bias, and surveys of rare events like DGUs can overestimate their frequency.
  
  
• Definition of DGU
  Different studies define DGU differently, including whether to consider the individual's feelings about the situation or only those actively involved in violent crimes.
  
  
• Other factors
  Other factors that affect estimates include the country, population, criteria, and time period studied.

Previous estimates

• The CDC previously cited estimates of DGUs ranging from 60,000 to 2.5 million per year. However, the CDC reportedly removed these statistics after pressure from gun control advocates.
  
  
• The Gun Violence Archive (GVA) estimates the number of DGUs based on police and media reports.

Conclusion
The exact number of DGUs each year is difficult to determine, but guns are used more often in criminal activity than for defensive purposes.

• Defensive gun use - Wikipedia
  Estimates over the number of defensive gun uses vary wildly, depending on the study's definition of a defensive gun use, survey de...
  
  Wikipedia
  
  
  
• Fact Sheet: The Frequency of Defensive Gun Use - GVPedia
  GVPedia University * There are 3 major estimates of Defensive Gun Use (DGU) frequency per year: Gary Kleck and private surveys: a...
  
  GVPedia
  
  
  
• How Often Are Guns Used For Self-Defense? - The Trace
  Jun 3, 2022 — Because they've been repeatedly amplified by the gun lobby, mainstream media outlets, and even the the Centers for Dise...
  
  The Trace
  
  
  
• Show all

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

You posted a number in excess of 4 million DGUs annually. When I pressed you on it, you danced around and eventually said they weren't your numbers.

EVENTUALLY as in the VERY FIRST RESPONSE?

He's right, theo. You told a blatant lie.

 

[GatorTheo]

EVENTUALLY as in the VERY FIRST RESPONSE?

JFC you're trying to troll too hard. It was an AI recap, I copied and pasted the entire thing, showing it was the AI recap.

Here's the exact same copy and paste from the search. Try it yourself if you don't believe me.


Google: "how many dgu's happen per year"

Did you mean: how many dogs happen per year

AI Overview​

AI Overview
Learn more

Estimates of the number of defensive gun uses (DGUs) in the United States each year range from 55,000 to 4.7 million, depending on the study. The most widely accepted estimate is around 70,000 DGUs per year.

Explanation

• Survey methods
  Surveys can introduce bias, and surveys of rare events like DGUs can overestimate their frequency.
  
  
• Definition of DGU
  Different studies define DGU differently, including whether to consider the individual's feelings about the situation or only those actively involved in violent crimes.
  
  
• Other factors
  Other factors that affect estimates include the country, population, criteria, and time period studied.

Previous estimates

• The CDC previously cited estimates of DGUs ranging from 60,000 to 2.5 million per year. However, the CDC reportedly removed these statistics after pressure from gun control advocates.
  
  
• The Gun Violence Archive (GVA) estimates the number of DGUs based on police and media reports.

Conclusion
The exact number of DGUs each year is difficult to determine, but guns are used more often in criminal activity than for defensive purposes.

• Defensive gun use - Wikipedia
  Estimates over the number of defensive gun uses vary wildly, depending on the study's definition of a defensive gun use, survey de...
  
  Wikipedia
  
  
  
• Fact Sheet: The Frequency of Defensive Gun Use - GVPedia
  GVPedia University * There are 3 major estimates of Defensive Gun Use (DGU) frequency per year: Gary Kleck and private surveys: a...
  
  GVPedia
  
  
  
• How Often Are Guns Used For Self-Defense? - The Trace
  Jun 3, 2022 — Because they've been repeatedly amplified by the gun lobby, mainstream media outlets, and even the the Centers for Dise...
  
  The Trace
  
  
  
• Show all

You posted something you found on the internet. No problem.....we all do that.

Part of what you posted referred to 4.7 million DGUs annually so I asked you about it.

Apparently, you didn't care for me asking you about what you posted.