You are confusing the Right to bear arms with a Requirement to bear arms.
We have a Right to bear arms. Given to us by God, and the Constitution.
We do not have a requirement to bear arms. Your question is pointless as a result.
In before the gun confiscation NUTS.....
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We have a Right to bear arms. Given to us by God, and the Constitution.
We do not have a requirement to bear arms. Your question is pointless as a result.
No I'm not. I'm trying to help you all to understand exactly what the constitution promises. You all seem to think there is a promise of unlimited weapons. There is not.
Ohhhhhh, got it. There are millions of defensive guns uses but the lefty media is covering it up.
glad this has been settled and Theo admitted to trolling. Next.
Less covering up and more not reported to the media as well as unsubstantiated or unverifiable and therefore not meeting their journalistic standards? I note there are any number of videos posted of dgu that no doubt have to be reported because there is video evidence.
What is the CDCs contribution to the numbers? That one small, unpublished survey from the 90s or something else?
Gun magazines? Now there's an unbiased source of information.
Check my math but a violent crime every 20 minutes is only a little over 26K in a year. Even if you meant every 20 seconds, that's like 1.5M/year which still doesn't make 1M DGUs look within reason.
If you had a DGU, you wouldn't report it to the police just to cover your butt?
You obviously have been around under another screenname, care to share? Shime can't hurt you any more.
There are obviously some DGUs but 2,700 each day is very far-fetched.
Reminder:
Unlimited is the antithesis to infringement.
What we learned ITT is that Grammar and vocabulary are important for adults to function in the world.
Unlimited is the antithesis to infringement.
What we learned ITT is that Grammar and vocabulary are important for adults to function in the world.
You forgot to answer my question. Here it is again:
How many weapons would you have to possess to be 'bearing arms'?
There is. That's what 'shall not be infringed' means. You can buy all you want.
Again, there is no requirement to bear arms. If there was, it would state the terms in order to fulfill that requirement.
1M DGUs a year is 2700 each day. No need to divide any further.
I misspoke I did indeed mean every 20 seconds.What is the CDCs contribution to the numbers? That one small, unpublished survey from the 90s or something else?
Gun magazines? Now there's an unbiased source of information.
Check my math but a violent crime every 20 minutes is only a little over 26K in a year. Even if you meant every 20 seconds, that's like 1.5M/year which still doesn't make 1M DGUs look within reason.
If you had a DGU, you wouldn't report it to the police just to cover your butt?
You obviously have been around under another screenname, care to share? Shime can't hurt you any more.
It depends. If I drew my weapon and pointed it at someone I would absolutely report it to the police. But if I pulled back my coat to reach for it and this movement served as a deterrent, most likely not.
But I haven't a clue what the dispatcher does with that data. I was a reserve deputy in sfla for quite some time and while I responded to more than a few calls pertaining to reports of a person with a firearm, very rarely was it the person calling about themselves. Mind you the dispatcher makes that call.
I understand your skepticism but if I concede that gun owners and the gun industry have an agenda, would it not follow that the anti gun pacs and media conglomerates who are owned by these same individuals have an agenda as well?
Shime would have to locate me to hurt me. 😂
Why not. 2700 a day divided by 50 states is 54. 24 hours a day would be 2.5 incidents per hour per state.
I'm inclined to believe the low number of six hundred thousand myself given the study cited is ten years old.
@GatorTheo
I most likely won't respond today but I do have 2 questions:
Since you use it as a pejorative, in your mind, what indicators or metrics determine the difference between a gun owner and a "gun nut" and what is it you feel is the connection or relationship with both these classes of people and the gun industry, besides fearmongering to increase sales?
I most likely won't respond today but I do have 2 questions:
Since you use it as a pejorative, in your mind, what indicators or metrics determine the difference between a gun owner and a "gun nut" and what is it you feel is the connection or relationship with both these classes of people and the gun industry, besides fearmongering to increase sales?
Each day. In a country of 350 MILLION people.
2,700 each day is very low, if anything. So likely 10 Million or more a year instances of people using a gun to defend themselves?
And this is what you are desperate to eliminate?
600K is certainly more reasonable than 1M (or more). I think more in the 100-300K range.
I think you're looking at the situation all wrong to start with. We should know EXACTLY how many home invasions and other physical crimes are stopped by discharging a gun (softer stops like the criminal runs when you display are harder to track, but less impactful because no one was shot).
1) The CDC used to track defensive use of weapons, but they stopped. Why do you think that is?
2) Related question, why do we track violent gun crime and gun suicide with precision but we don't care about defensive gun use? To further lead the horse to water, if you had an anti-gun agenda would you continue to monitor successful defensive gun incidents if they outnumbered homicides - or even got close? How does it affect the anti-gun narrative if statistics showed that guns saved more innocent people than criminals kill with them?
And your bias argument is nonsense - if a person entering my house is shot, even if they don't die, the police are called and there is an investigation. If they die, 100% of the time there is a thorough homicide investigation. There's not the opportunity for me 'steer the narrative' because the evidence will tell the story.
1) Was there forced entry?
2) Did I know the person?
3) Does the physical evidence match my story?
4) Is there evidence the person was there to rob, rape or kill?, etc.
This isn't discrimination which can be as squishy as being called a name, this is a firearm sending a round through another human.
Can you help us understand your comment that "guns are dangerous" with a link from ANYWHERE ON EARTH that a gun EVER hurt ANYONE? WE are WAITING lil Theo!
YOU FORGOT TO ANSWER MY QUESTION from 2 days ago. WHERE is the proof that guns hurt people? Where is it Theo?? LOLOL
No, you'd need to sell me as many weapons as I felt I needed to ensure my part in a well regulated militia, which is necessary for the preservation of a free state according to the Constitution. Anything less is infringing on my right to bear arms and participate fully in said militia.
You can't cherry pick one section of the amendment and use it to define the whole thing.
This is how ridiculous your argument is - the first 5 words of the 1st amendment states "Congress shall pass no law..."
Clearly this was meant to remove Congress from the process of lawmaking, right!?
Let's say it's simply 100,000 defensive uses a year.
How many lives saved does that represent?
The number of times that guns are used to deter crime in this country is without a doubt incalculable. Arguing otherwise is just ridiculous. Is it a million or millions? I have no idea but I doubt it.
However, arguing that it's the guns fault and not the crazy person's or criminals fault when people use them illegally is the height of stupidity. That's probably what people are referring to when they mention that guns are inanimate objects.
Any idiot could figure this out....but none are so blind as those who refuse to see. You're an incredibly stubborn person and because of that, you're the gun nut Theo.
I'm sure that's why he keeps mentioning it. When he's not telling us that we've been hypnotized by the gun companies, he's inferring that we're cowards and that's why we want them. Either that or we're all just stupid and he can prove that because of truck ownership.
This passes for intelligent debate and he's not trolling, right? 😂
If you're a criminal, would you rob the guy that you believe is probably armed or the guy who probably isn't?
Answer that question honestly. Now, why wouldn't I count that as a defensive use of a gun?
You like to ridicule rednecks in trucks and you have a point...because those guys very rarely get truck-jacked. 😂
Buy a mirror. You are not capable of rational discussion on this topic. I'm guessing that you don't realize or believe this.
Infring and limit are still synonyms. But we can circle back and check if that's still true tomorrow. You never know.
If you limit the number you're infringing the right.
My Lord, how many times do we have to cover this?
Not just a thorough homicide investigation, if a person is killed by gun, knife or whatever, the case is presented to a grand jury.
That's true even when it's obviously justifiable homicide.
I'm owned by the gun companies, he involuntarily urinates down his left leg and starts sucking his thumb every time a truck backfires by his house.
I think a responsible, adult gun owner's view on gun violence would range between "yes, guns cause us problems and I'm willing to make some level of sacrifice for the common good" and "yes, guns cause us a problem but it's the price we pay for freedom".
A gun nut would never, ever acknowledge anything negative about guns for fear that jackbooted thugs would kick their door down and take their guns. They will wholeheartedly believe ANYTHING, no matter how ridiculous, that supports guns. If you're convinced that guns don't hurt anyone because they're inanimate, you're a gun nut.
I think that the gun industry, for reasons of pure greed, drives the gun nut hysteria. You said "besides fearmongering to increase sales" but I don't think there is any other reason (at least I can't think of one this early).
Why are you avoiding the question? Here it is again:
How many weapons would you have to possess to be 'bearing arms'?
How would a criminal know if someone is armed? Because they're in a truck? Is that why you guys like trucks....because it make you look tougher? That actually makes sense.
Daily Reminder:
Our Founders intended for you to be able to buy an UNLIMITED amount of Firearms.
No Limits. No infringement fellas.
Load up on Arms and Ammo fellas!!!
I went ahead and donated to Theos cause. This is coming your way Theo.
Our Founders intended for you to be able to buy an UNLIMITED amount of Firearms.
No Limits. No infringement fellas.
Load up on Arms and Ammo fellas!!!
I went ahead and donated to Theos cause. This is coming your way Theo.
Why are you avoiding posting your source that guns harm people? Cmon son....back up what you say here. But you CAN'T. Just going to keep calling you out....because you are trapped
What is your thing with trucks? You know a truck is just another inanimate object, right?
Why are you avoiding my questions?
What 'problems' are created by guns? You keep saying this, what do you mean by this?
You said you think there are 'only' 100,000 defensive gun uses a year in the US. Assuming that figure is correct, how many lives are saved by those DGU?
