How long does Ron DeSantis stay in 2nd place to Trump in primary polling? Will they pull the plug on him before he announces?

[Capt Ron 1]

Ok...fair enough.

One question...how are you applying pressure to the FBI?

IYO, are you doing something that I am not? If so, what exactly?

If you aren't doing something that I am not, is it fair to say that you too are "sitting around waiting for the law to act?"

I'm not attacking you. I truly am not. I'm challenging the claim by some on this board that they are taking some vague and unspoken action that I'm unwilling to take. And it's BS...they're doing nothing that I'm not doing...save a lot of platitudes and empty talk.

Put simply, I'm calling bullshit because it's time to call bullshit

I am not making that claim, as I have no idea what you do or do not do. So what I would guess I do is try to make people aware of what they are doing, as I believe unless you watch FNC...you have no clue. I think most people have a general idea...but not EXACTLY how they have been dishonest. I think by be knowing MOST of the public times they have been dishonest and informing people that do not know helps to some degree. It has to stop. And I make sure to let everyone know that not ONE lefty has ever mentioned their illegal implementation of our laws...since it always helps their agenda. Does it help? Who knows, but that is all that I know to do. Sitting their just accepting it is not an option for me. I will give a few examples.

The FBI lied on FISA warrants to spy on a political campaign. They did so even though they KNEW the Clinton campaign paid for the Steele dossier(which was what started the whole Russia Russia Russia collusion. So the special consul investigated Trump for 3 years...KNOWING it was a lie from the get go.

SECONDLY Hunters laptop. 50 supposed intelligence "experts"came out right before the election (11/2020) and claimed the laptop was Russian disinformation. Well the FBI was in possession of that laptop since late 2019 and KNEW it was real. If things were in reverse....and it was Don Jr's with incriminating evidence...would it have been kept secret? HELL NO it would have been on EVERY news outlet non stop. We CANNOT have a double standard applying our rights under the Constitution. I will bet less than 5% of our population understands what I just explained fully.

Again...does this help? Who the F knows...but I feel better letting people know.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Neither are you champ.




Ahhh...so if I would just piss and moan like you do, about things that will need to be proven in court to truly matter, then I would be a warrior like you?

You're doing f-all. Until we win a court case, all of the tears mean nothing.

Talk about porches and rocking chairs to your hearts content. Those hollow words and meaningless platitudes. You're selling used cars friend.

Do not really agree here. If you accept what happened, you are part of the problem. If your threshold is a win in court (which is 100% your right) you are just accepting that it can happen again...and it will. People should be standing up MUCH louder for fair elections. I am really disappointed with people who KNOW it was stolen, yet do or say NOTHING to prevent it from ever happening again. BTW I respect you from what I have read in your posts ove the time I have been here. I respect that we do not always agree. But I will be GD if I am just going to sit down and shut up about them stealing our election. It will never happen. I am truly happy the people who kicked the British's ass out of our Country did not feel that way, or we would still be under their rule.

 

[BamaFan1137]

Do not really agree here. If you accept what happened, you are part of the problem. If your threshold is a win in court (which is 100% your right) you are just accepting that it can happen again...and it will. People should be standing up MUCH louder for fair elections. I am really disappointed with people who KNOW it was stolen, yet do or say NOTHING to prevent it from ever happening again. BTW I respect you from what I have read in your posts ove the time I have been here. I respect that we do not always agree. But I will be GD if I am just going to sit down and shut up about them stealing our election. It will never happen. I am truly happy the people who kicked the British's ass out of our Country did not feel that way, or we would still be under their rule.

I never said that anyone should sit down or shut up.

I said, legally speaking, if something was going to be done about stolen elections, you'd need to win a court case. That's a pretty big distinction.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

"endorses Trump while attending DeSantis event'.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Is Trump actually going to win Florida????

I'm not sure what's worse, that all these Florida reps are endorsing Trump, or that they are doing so AFTER DeSantis told them not to LOL

 

[Capt Ron 1]

I never said that anyone should sit down or shut up.

I said, legally speaking, if something was going to be done about stolen elections, you'd need to win a court case. That's a pretty big distinction.

And I disagree with your statement, because under the current situation, legal challenges are impossible, because where the election interference happened, they are in control. All cool....we can disagree here. In the long run, maybe you are right. But I just cannot keep silent when my Country has been so wronged...I feel I need to fight back any way that I can. What good does it do? Who knows.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

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Is Trump actually going to win Florida????

I'm not sure what's worse, that all these Florida reps are endorsing Trump, or that they are doing so AFTER DeSantis told them not to LOL

DeSantis was supposed to be “Trump Without the Drama,” not “Jerry Falwell on Amphetamines.”

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

And I disagree with your statement, because under the current situation, legal challenges are impossible, because where the election interference happened, they are in control.

Precisely. He's set up a scenario for himself where there is nothing he can do. I told him the LEAST he could do was say the election was stolen and demand we prevent the next one from being stolen as well. He can't even do that, because he refuses to 'piss and moan' LOL

"Though my life, liberty and all I hold dear my fall away from me, let it be said I always kept my dignity." - Possibly Paul Revere

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

DeSantis was supposed to be “Trump Without the Drama,” not “Jerry Falwell on Amphetamines.”

DeSantis was supposed to beat Trump. We were told by certain posters here that if a candidate with Trump's policies and WITHOUT his 'drama' ran, he would win easily. Cause we were told Hiden didn't get 81M votes, but rather, 81M people voted against Trump.

If those people had any inkling what they were talking about, DeSantis would be cruising right now.

Instead, it seems he might not win his own state.

Maybe one day you guys will wake up.

 

[goldmom]

DeSantis was supposed to beat Trump. We were told by certain posters here that if a candidate with Trump's policies and WITHOUT his 'drama' ran, he would win easily. Cause we were told Hiden didn't get 81M votes, but rather, 81M people voted against Trump.

If those people had any inkling what they were talking about, DeSantis would be cruising right now.

Instead, it seems he might not win his own state.

Maybe one day you guys will wake up.

DNC Employee of the Quarter right here.
Your competitor NEXT quarter is The Donald himself.
The Dems are thrilled!

 

[Capt Ron 1]

DNC Employee of the Quarter right here.
Your competitor NEXT quarter is The Donald himself.
The Dems are thrilled!

Crying AGAIN because your candidate is SO FAR behind?

 

[BamaFan1137]

And I disagree with your statement, because under the current situation, legal challenges are impossible, because where the election interference happened, they are in control. All cool....we can disagree here. In the long run, maybe you are right. But I just cannot keep silent when my Country has been so wronged...I feel I need to fight back any way that I can. What good does it do? Who knows.

Again, no one has asked you to keep silent.

For there to be real and actual recourse, it will have to be through the courts however. Nothing else will do the trick. Short of that you'd have to have some type of legislation. Legislation could do the trick.

I keep repeating this and you keep responding that you can't be quite about it....even though I've never said that you should be quiet about it.

 

[BamaFan1137]

Precisely. He's set up a scenario for himself where there is nothing he can do. I told him the LEAST he could do was say the election was stolen and demand we prevent the next one from being stolen as well. He can't even do that, because he refuses to 'piss and moan' LOL

"Though my life, liberty and all I hold dear my fall away from me, let it be said I always kept my dignity." - Possibly Paul Revere

I've stated dozens of times on this board that it is my belief that the election was stolen. I "can't even do that?" LOL...I've said that many times and you damn well know it.

I've also stated dozens of times that we'd need to prove that in a court. If we can't do that, what recourse is left? You have no answer to that question just like I don't.

So like a lib, you're just being intellectually dishonest which is very disappointing GOMM. You should represent yourself better than telling half-truths imho. But you do you because I'm not toeing your line....and we all know well how you respond when someone doesn't toe your line.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I've stated dozens of times on this board that it is my belief that the election was stolen. I "can't even do that?" LOL...I've said that many times and you damn well know it.

I've also stated dozens of times that we'd need to prove that in a court. If we can't do that, what recourse is left? You have no answer to that question just like I don't.

So like a lib, you're just being intellectually dishonest which is very disappointing GOMM. You should represent yourself better than telling half-truths imho. But you do you because I'm not toeing your line....and we all know well how you respond when someone doesn't toe your line.

You've stated numerous times that you are powerless to do anything except piss and moan. And you refuse to do that because you have your dignity. LOL

This is from a seemingly intelligent adult who claims to be a successful businessman who has developed and sold companies...but when it comes to the topic of elections being stolen, he's flabbergasted and can find nothing HE can do.

@BamaFan1137 if DeSantis passed a law tomorrow saying it was legal to murder Alabama football fans in your neighborhood, would you do anything? Or would you 'let the courts decide it'.

I'm betting you could figure out something. I'm betting you could here if you wanted to. But maybe I'm overestimating you, I dunno.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Again, no one has asked you to keep silent.

For there to be real and actual recourse, it will have to be through the courts however. Nothing else will do the trick. Short of that you'd have to have some type of legislation. Legislation could do the trick.

And 'pissing and moaning' as you call it helps grease the wheels to get that ball rolling. You know this.

If every American said the 2020 election was stolen and demanded we take steps to prevent the 2024 election from being stolen, it would happen overnight.

All because everyone pissed and moaned. The court of public opinion is where 90% of the stuff gets done in this country.

See? You've got all the power in the world. Gotta get off the porch to utilize it though. And yes, some detractors might mock you for pissing and moaning. I dunno, I think that's worth it in order to secure our elections.

Maybe you disagree.

 

[BamaFan1137]

You've stated numerous times that you are powerless to do anything except piss and moan.

I've stated that the same is true for you as well. You're welcome to do it....but that's all it amounts to without a court win or legislation.

And you refuse to do that because you have your dignity. LOL

This is a straight up lie from you. I've never said those words. It's getting pretty sad when you have to lie GOMM. It’s embarrassing imho.

And as I mentioned above, I have said that I believe it occured dozens of times. How does that square with your "dignity" comment?

LOL...I'll treat you like Ray if you insist on behaving as he does. Leave the half-truths and straight up lies to them imho.

 

[BamaFan1137]

This is from a seemingly intelligent adult who claims to be a successful businessman who has developed and sold companies...but when it comes to the topic of elections being stolen, he's flabbergasted and can find nothing HE can do.

For the 101st time now, what are you doing that I'm not doing? You still haven't given a sufficient answer to that question.

You'll answer, "I've said they stole the election." I've obviously said the same many, many times. I just realize that without a court win or legislation, those comments don't have as much of an impact.

 

[BamaFan1137]

@BamaFan1137 if DeSantis passed a law tomorrow saying it was legal to murder Alabama football fans in your neighborhood, would you do anything? Or would you 'let the courts decide it'.

I'm betting you could figure out something. I'm betting you could here if you wanted to. But maybe I'm overestimating you, I dunno.

I'm betting that this law could be and would be defeated in the courts and there would be overriding legislation.

So that's sort of a ridiculous analogy, isn't it?

I've pissed you off. I'm going against GOMM edict...so I recognize the wrath is coming my way and I knew it would when we headed down this road yesterday. That's a you issue...good luck with it.

People are allowed to disagree with you...vehemently sometimes. Not to cause you anymore vapors, but I vehemently disagree with the notion of a national divorce. And frankly I find it cowardly and unpatriotic.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I've stated that the same is true for you as well. You're welcome to do it....but that's all it amounts to without a court win or legislation.

And 'pissing and moaning' leads to court wins. 90% of the stuff in this country happens because enough people bitched and moaned about it.

You know this. I guess you are just scared to death that someone might mock you if you bitched and moaned. Or more than likely, you don't care enough to do anything.

This is a straight up lie from you. I've never said those words.

And I never said you did. Now you are trying to move the goalposts cause you see how ridiculous your stance is.

And as I mentioned above, I have said that I believe it occured dozens of times. How does that square with your "dignity" comment?

You are saying you BELIEVE it was stolen, but without a court saying that, there's NOTHING you can do. Except bitch and moan, and you refuse. The humanity!

I am saying they DID steal the election. And they WILL steal the NEXT one if we don't DO SOMETHING. So let's bitch and moan till they do.

Two completely different responses that you are trying to make out to be the same.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

For the 101st time now, what are you doing that I'm not doing? You still haven't given a sufficient answer to that question.

You'll answer, "I've said they stole the election." I've obviously said the same many, many times. I just realize that without a court win or legislation, those comments don't have as much of an impact.

I'm bitching and moaning that they stole the election and they will steal the next one as well.

If everyone else bitched and moaned like I am, this would get fixed overnight.

You don't want to do that. You want to say you BELIEVE it was stolen, and let the courts figure out if it was. The same courts, that @Capt Ron 1 tried to point to you, who are in on the steal.

There's no point in either of us voting ever again till this gets fixed. I wish you could see that.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I'm betting that this law could be and would be defeated in the courts and there would be overriding legislation.

So that's sort of a ridiculous analogy, isn't it?

That's not what I asked. I asked what would YOU do? Let the courts decide? Or would you find a way to do something?

I bet you'd find a way to do something.

 

[BamaFan1137]

If every American said the 2020 election was stolen and demanded we take steps to prevent the 2024 election from being stolen, it would happen overnight.

But of course not every American agrees with you and I that it was stolen...so that seems unlikely and an unreasonable expectation.

Gotta get off the porch to utilize it though.

My goodness have you gotten some milage off that catch phrase.

It appears "pissing and moaning" will now be added to the the lineup. You do you buddy.

Short of a court win or legislation, our opinions will not matter. Even given your example of where we ALL rise up and say, "it was stolen!" Even that would lead to a court challenge and a win....and that is what I've been calling for since the beginning. How do you not see that?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I've pissed you off. I'm going against GOMM edict...so I recognize the wrath is coming my way and I knew it would when we headed down this road yesterday. That's a you issue...good luck with it.

People are allowed to disagree with you...vehemently sometimes. Not to cause you anymore vapors, but I vehemently disagree with the notion of a national divorce. And frankly I find it cowardly and unpatriotic.

Ah yes, here it comes. He leaves with his dignity, and martyrdom intact LOL

 

[goldmom]

And 'pissing and moaning' leads to court wins. 90% of the stuff in this country happens because enough people bitched and moaned about it.

You know this. I guess you are just scared to death that someone might mock you if you bitched and moaned. Or more than likely, you don't care enough to do anything.


And I never said you did. Now you are trying to move the goalposts cause you see how ridiculous your stance is.


You are saying you BELIEVE it was stolen, but without a court saying that, there's NOTHING you can do. Except bitch and moan, and you refuse. The humanity!

I am saying they DID steal the election. And they WILL steal the NEXT one if we don't DO SOMETHING. So let's bitch and moan till they do.

Two completely different responses that you are trying to make out to be the same.

What is SOMETHING???

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Short of a court win or legislation, our opinions will not matter.

And you know that's idiocy. It's ok bro, you can keep your dignity. May cost you your country, but hey, you can say Ghost is just attacking you cause he can't stand anyone disagreeing with him.

Its the simple things in life, it really is LOL

 

[BamaFan1137]

I'm bitching and moaning that they stole the election and they will steal the next one as well.

If everyone else bitched and moaned like I am, this would get fixed overnight.

You don't want to do that. You want to say you BELIEVE it was stolen, and let the courts figure out if it was. The same courts, that @Capt Ron 1 tried to point to you, who are in on the steal.

There's no point in either of us voting ever again till this gets fixed. I wish you could see that.

We've covered this ground. A few times now.

You're offended because I don't agree with everything you are saying. There's nothing I can do about that.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

What is SOMETHING???

Bitch and moan. Call your Congressman, go peacefully protest. Write letters. Send emails.

I find it hilarious that grown adults here with above average IQs can spend 24 hours a day bitching and moaning at each other, but somehow when it comes time for them to actually put it to use, they act like they are morons who can't crap without someone walking them to the toilet LOL

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

We've covered this ground. A few times now.

You're offended because I don't agree with everything you are saying. There's nothing I can do about that.

I hope you can make it through your time of hardship and trouble.

 

[BamaFan1137]

I guess you are just scared to death that someone might mock you if you bitched and moaned.

Ok...I'm scared GOMM. You caught me. 🙄

And I never said you did. Now you are trying to move the goalposts cause you see how ridiculous your stance is.

I'm moving the goalposts by calling bullshit on you dignity comment? 😂

Ok GOMM...if you don't stop, I'll treat you exactly like I treat others who are similarly dishonest. This shit won't work on me and you of all people should already know that.

 

[BamaFan1137]

I hope you can make it through your time of hardship and trouble.

Ummm...wut?

 

[BamaFan1137]

That's not what I asked. I asked what would YOU do?

I would celebrate the court victory over the ridiculous law in your ridiculous analogy.

I cannot make you hear me. So I'm not going to get too invested when you seem committed no to.

 

[BamaFan1137]

Ah yes, here it comes. He leaves with his dignity, and martyrdom intact LOL

You interpret things in a very strange way. Nothing I can really do about that.

You can believe whatever you like. You can even attempt to tell me what I "really mean" if it floats your boat.

That won't mean you aren't FOS ftr.

 

[BamaFan1137]

And you know that's idiocy. It's ok bro, you can keep your dignity. May cost you your country, but hey, you can say Ghost is just attacking you cause he can't stand anyone disagreeing with him.

Its the simple things in life, it really is LOL

You've invented the whole "dignity" concept because you're pissy with me because I'm not 100% in agreement with you.

GOMM....you're being unreasonable and you are just making crap up in your head.

In this post alone, you're intimating that if I don't believe as you believe, lockstep and entirely, we might lose our country. This from a guy who is pushing for a national divorce?

That's stunning. I don't know what else to say to you.

 

[BamaFan1137]

Bitch and moan. Call your Congressman, go peacefully protest. Write letters. Send emails.

Prepare yourself...this will come as a stunner. It's going to knock your ding-dong in the dirt.

I've done all of the above save protest. Holy cow, right?

I'm unlikely to physically protest and that's a personal and intentional choice I've made based on how freaking nuts people are today combined with what I do professionally.

But I have made the phone calls, I have bitched and moaned (and I've told you I've done that all along as you have) and I have written the letters to multiple Congressmen...not just my own. I even had an opportunity to speak with Governor Memaw and Tuberville in person. Just FYI

 

[BamaFan1137]

Governor Memaw is my neighbor btw. So is a Circuit Court Judge that I've spoken to about it. Not that he can change anything from his bench but rather I just picked his brain from a legal standpoint.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

But I have made the phone calls, I have bitched and moaned (and I've told you I've done that all along as you have) and I have written the letters to multiple Congressmen...not just my own. I even had an opportunity to speak with Governor Memaw and Tuberville in person. Just FYI

This is the first I am hearing you say this. If you did before, I missed it and we've gone back and forth on this dozens of times. If you did all that, then good for you, wish more people would do the same.

 

[EvilWayz]

Ummm...wut?

You know, me and my peeps running the show for a thousand years.

 

[BamaFan1137]

This is the first I am hearing you say this. If you did before, I missed it and we've gone back and forth on this dozens of times. If you did all that, then good for you, wish more people would do the same.

I've mentioned the judge and memaw things before. I've spoken to her a few times since the election. I met TT through her but we had a very brief conversation.

The head of her security is one of my closest friends.

 

[Gator Fever]

Trump is a lot nicer than me giving DeSantis one last chance. I would just finish the bum off for good for jumping in bed with those crooks.

 

[instaGATOR]

'The Donald' seems to be paying an inordinate amount of attention to a guy that he claims has NO CHANCE of beating him, instead of just ignoring another loser in the crowd.... LMFAO.... 😂

It did not slip past me, that 'The Donald' is the one that picked this fight, and now he's begging the other guy to back down from it before the 'career lightening' (crocodile tears) strikes him dead forever....

Here's a surprise for ya. IF there was a ticket contest between Trump/DeSantis and Jim Jordan/Candice Owens, I'd go with the 2nd two as the much better choice.... 🤓