Hey OSU or FSU wanna trade schedules?
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Your sarcasm directed at me implies that I think that, when it's based on what I've seen from both teams this season. I wouldn't be surprised if you just totally discount all of that.
Bow-down would play any team, anywhere is BS.
Since HE CHOSE to join the ACC instead of the SEC.
IF he had played an SEC schedule, plus a Mich, Neb, tOSU etc every year, THEN I might buy into your usual bs. As it is, not so much...
Of the 53 nonconference games SEC teams played in during the 2014 season, 10 of them came against Power 5 teams, with the SEC going 5-5 in those games.
And I mis-spoke...the SEC mandated starting in 2016, each member team play a minimum of one game against an OOC power 5 opponent. Sorry.
Sort of but I know how you feel about the ACC. Chad Kelly will be the reason Ole Miss loses 3 games this year. You will see. ACC guys know him well. Have you heard his rap songs when he was at Clemson??
Have not heard his rap songs.
My feelings on the ACC are like most people that don't wear ketchup and mustard -- 2 good teams Clemson and FSU, and one decent one in Ga Tech.
My feelings on the ACC are like most people that don't wear ketchup and mustard -- 2 good teams Clemson and FSU, and one decent one in Ga Tech.
Do you not agree Chad Kelly will cause them to lose 3 games at least?? He's way to careless with the ball and he is a true head case. Google why Clemson kicked him off. Ole Miss fans will be hating him by the end of the year
Read this. This is who Ole Miss season depends on
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/14/5614250/chad-kelly-clemson-quarterback-dismissed
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/14/5614250/chad-kelly-clemson-quarterback-dismissed
It's a bit more than immaturity
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12064427/ex-clemson-tigers-qb-chad-kelly-arrested
Lol yep. I would pull for the gators under only one circumstance, if they win, it gets us in the playoffs.
Not sure you are serious here at all. Of course it does not matter in any way how many top 25 teams are in any given conf. Conference does not affect a given teams' SOS one bit. The SOS is determined from the actual teams that a given team plays both in and OOC, not how good their conf. may be. For ex. if one year most of SEC W was top 10 but SEC E had no teams in top 30, then UGa's SOS would have zero benefit of those SEC W teams rank if they did not actually play them.
Bow-down would play any team, anywhere is BS.
Since HE CHOSE to join the ACC instead of the SEC.
IF he had played an SEC schedule, plus a Mich, Neb, tOSU etc every year, THEN I might buy into your usual bs. As it is, not so much...
Well, guess what...since 1947 both UF and FSU have:
- 3 National titles.
- 3 Heisman Trophy winners
- 12-12-1 record vs on another when both teams are ranked
- FSU: 44 bowl game appearances (26–15–2)
- UF: 42 bowl game appearances (22-20-0)
- FSU: 41 1st round draft pics (all time)
- UF: 46 1st round draft pics (all time)
- 35 Gators currently in the NFL
- 53 Seminoles currently in the NFL (record breaking 29 taken in the last 3 years)
So explain to me the huge advantage UF has over FSU by playing in the SEC?
Any SEC team gets the benefit of the doubt. And perceived SEC dominance is a fairly recent phenomenon. Probably came to be full blown when Florida destroyed OSU in the BCS title game, after being roundly criticized as not deserving the chance.
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"So explain to me the huge advantage UF has over FSU by playing in the SEC?"
You've got it all wrong brah, your path the the national title game has always been easier. The 4 team playoffs make it more difficult but your road there too ain't all that hard if you can avoid pollsters keeping you down because of your schedule.
You've got it all wrong brah, your path the the national title game has always been easier. The 4 team playoffs make it more difficult but your road there too ain't all that hard if you can avoid pollsters keeping you down because of your schedule.
This has got to be...I was going to say uninformed comment, but you are informed. So, this has got be be one of the silliest conclusion based on the available evidence I have heard in awhile.
Conference does not affect SOS one bit? For wyatt's sake, doofus. The teams you play affects SOS and if you play in a conference with a lot of ranked teams, then you have a tough SOS. Why is that a mystery to you?
Damn, where do these dumb ass Noles come from?
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You are not only wrong but now frustrated and calling me juvenile names because you can't comprehend the concept. Try to read my ex. with UGa again. Another ex. an Independant could end up with a very good SOS for ex. ND and not play any team from the SEC. In 2001 FSU's SOS was 2, in 2002 it was 3 in 2003 it was 2 again.... was that because the ACC was all powerful? There is zero diff. between a top 25 SOS for a team in the SEC vs a top 25 SOS for any other team. Conf. is not factored in the numbers at all.
Meh. I think we'll be fine. We weren't contenders this year anyway and the next couple'a years look perty good.
2016: Ole Miss, USF, UF, Miami, Louisville, Clemson, ?
2017: Bama, UF, Miami, Louisville, Clemson, ?
OT: I'm sorry, but I laugh out loud EVERY time you post that, MJ.
It's right up there with "Oh Dear".
You are describing two different situations and in some cases, in two different times. Do you agree that a team that plays more ranked teams will have a higher SOS? Of course you do. (or maybe you are too dumb to agree, but then that is a different discussion) I did not say a team HAS TO PLAY SEC teams to have good SOSs. I said that the SEC has many highly ranked teams almost every year so BY DEFINITION a SEC schedule is a strong schedule. That is not to say non-SEC teams cannot have strong schedules.
SOS means a lot more now than it did early the the BCS, from a playoff perspective. A lot more. Witness the fact that FSU was a three or maybe even a four seed last year. This by being undefeated. Last year, a one loss ACC team would not have made it to the playoff. But a one loss SEC team did. Why? SOS.
In previous years, FSU might have indeed had good SOSs, though I doubt your claims about it being that high in 2001, 2002 and 2003. Why? Miami was a top ten team for all three years, Florida was a top five team for one year and ranked the other two. Neither team was in the ACC. Plus, those were the rare years when GaTech and Clemson ended up ranked some years, as well as BC and Maryland.
Fair to say we are in the middle of an ACC v. SEC pissing contest? For grins and giggles...here's a neat read on how the conferences played out last season. They say the ACC and others were better than the SEC. Before you dismiss them out of hand, look at their methodology. What do you think?
http://thebiglead.com/2014/12/03/was-the-acc-the-nations-best-college-football-conference-in-2014/
Not an ACC/SEC conference thing to me at all, though MJ wants to move the goalpost that way. MJ doubts the veracity of the stats but apparently lacks the skills to research Sagarin from those yrs. and dumbly thinks that since UF and UM were good those years , that it supports his mistaken premise when it actually proves mine. See when both UF and UM are highly ranked, FSU"s SOS goes up, not down., and yes, neither UF or UM were in the ACC then which further proves that SOS is not conference-biased, nor conference-based. MJ does seem to go into the sputtering personal attacks when proved wrong however.
I understand what you're saying, MJ; however, I disagree about why FSU was bumped last year. A. the ONLY reason they were in the playoffs was due to the fact they were undefeated and were the defending champs. They didn't get bumped because they had a weak schedule or played in the ACC. They FAILED the eye test. At no point in the season did they look like a dominant team. They were constantly forced to play the comeback role.
Sagarin SOS
OSU = 29
Bama = 2
Oregon = 20
FSU = 21
So, FSU was neck-n-neck with three of the playoff teams' SOS; only with Bama's was there a clear separation.
Just for giggles, here's 2014 top 10 non-conference schedules:
10 best AQ non-conference schedules
1. Texas: North Texas, BYU, UCLA
2. Iowa State: North Dakota State, at Iowa, Toledo
3. West Virginia: Alabama, Towson, at Maryland
4. USC: Fresno State, at Boston College, Notre Dame
5. Missouri: South Dakota State, at Toledo, UCF, Indiana
6. Oklahoma State: Florida State, Missouri State, UTSA
7. Florida State: Oklahoma State, The Citadel, Notre Dame, Florida
8. North Carolina: Liberty, San Diego State, at East Carolina, at Notre Dame
9. Minnesota: Eastern Illinois, Middle Tennessee, at TCU, San Jose State
10. Ohio State: Navy, Virginia Tech, Kent State, Cincinnati
Notice the two playoff teams with the worst overall schedule had a Top 10 OOC schedule. This supports a certain Nole's contention that regardless of conference you can have a Top 25 SOS. I also agree with you that it's easier to have that Top 25 SOS if you play in a conference where the teams are ranked and you don't have to go out of conference. Unfortunately, the CFP is looking for both now. It will be interesting to see what impact it has this year.
Sagarin SOS
OSU = 29
Bama = 2
Oregon = 20
FSU = 21
So, FSU was neck-n-neck with three of the playoff teams' SOS; only with Bama's was there a clear separation.
Just for giggles, here's 2014 top 10 non-conference schedules:
10 best AQ non-conference schedules
1. Texas: North Texas, BYU, UCLA
2. Iowa State: North Dakota State, at Iowa, Toledo
3. West Virginia: Alabama, Towson, at Maryland
4. USC: Fresno State, at Boston College, Notre Dame
5. Missouri: South Dakota State, at Toledo, UCF, Indiana
6. Oklahoma State: Florida State, Missouri State, UTSA
7. Florida State: Oklahoma State, The Citadel, Notre Dame, Florida
8. North Carolina: Liberty, San Diego State, at East Carolina, at Notre Dame
9. Minnesota: Eastern Illinois, Middle Tennessee, at TCU, San Jose State
10. Ohio State: Navy, Virginia Tech, Kent State, Cincinnati
Notice the two playoff teams with the worst overall schedule had a Top 10 OOC schedule. This supports a certain Nole's contention that regardless of conference you can have a Top 25 SOS. I also agree with you that it's easier to have that Top 25 SOS if you play in a conference where the teams are ranked and you don't have to go out of conference. Unfortunately, the CFP is looking for both now. It will be interesting to see what impact it has this year.
One year does not make a trend and sadly I don't think the ACC will do as well this year. I don't see any ACC team going undefeated this year either.
