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GOTTA SEE THIS: Frontline Physicians Aim to Dispel ‘Massive’ COVID-19 ‘Disinformation Campaign’

Tucson-based doctors' group sues feds over use of hydroxychloroquine

The lawsuit contends that FDA officials from prior administrations “acted contrary to the wishes of President Donald Trump by arbitrarily limiting the use of HCQ from the strategic national stockpile.”

There’s a political component to all of this.

He said continued interference with allowing doctors to prescribe the drug “has the effect of infringing on the right of the people to hold national political conventions, which has been an essential part of our presidential elections since at least 1832.”

More important, she said, the FDA does not require separate safety indications for each and every use of the drug. “It’s either safe, or it isn’t,” Orient said. And she noted it has been approved for various autoimmune diseases.

https://tucson.com/news/local/tucso...cle_963f9a9c-f257-5c72-95a3-4a40ca2a0a5f.html

RATS need the Chinese virus so HCQ cant be allowed to save life’s
 
The FDA allows doctors to prescribe drugs off-label all the time. Once the FDA approves a drug for use for the specific condition for which it was developed, there are no restrictions on "off-label" use, or clinicians using that drug to treat other conditions. Much of what clinicians read in the peer-reviewed scientific literature are clinical studies and case reports of off-label uses of various FDA-approved drugs to treat various conditions. Clinicians then use that information, along with their own clinical experience and judgment, and knowledge of their patients' individual risks and potential benefits, when attending to their patients. In this way, roughly one in five prescriptions written by U.S. clinicians are off-label. At the April 4 coronavirus task force briefing, FDA Commissioner Dr. Stephen Hahn said, in answer to a question about off-label prescribing, "As a doctor, we do this all the time."

Aspirin is a well-known example, since it had been used off-label to prevent recurrent stroke or heart attack for many years before the FDA finally approved that use.

Researchers in Marseilles, France, reported successful results with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin in a small 20-patient sample in early March. A follow-up study with 80 patients published three weeks later showed similar promising results. Doctors in hospitals in Kansas, China, and South Korea have all reported successfully using hydroxychloroquine to treat their patients.

I understand that doctors should study the research carefully and be cautious about recommending new treatments to patients. And patients should ask questions and practice due diligence before accepting their doctors' advice. But the decision-making process belongs to them, not to detached bureaucrats and (or Rat) politicians.

https://reason.com/2020/04/07/docto...roquine-is-appropriate-for-covid-19-patients/
 
And out of Houston today....

https://www.fox26houston.com/news/army-covid-19-medical-team-continues-to-assist-houston-hospitals

Varon says out of the more than 300 COVID-19 patients they’ve treated, they’ve had a 95 percent success rate. He uses a treatment method called MATH+, which is a combination of drugs including methylprednisolone, ascorbic acid, thiamine, heparin, and a combination of other drugs.

He says the now controversial drug hydroxychloroquine is among the drugs he uses to treat COVID-19 patients.

“Yes, we have used it,” said Varon. “We know that is a drug that has been politicized up to the wazoo. We have used it. We’ve used it with good success. We know that there is a lot of controversy, but one of the problems that we have is: we use a lot of things. We literally throw the whole kitchen sink at these patients. Because they are so sick. So sometimes you don’t know exactly what makes the difference, but we have used hydroxychloroquine in some of our patients, and they have done well.”



When the full truth of what the media and politicians are doing comes to light, there is gonna be a reckoning.
 
And out of Houston today....

https://www.fox26houston.com/news/army-covid-19-medical-team-continues-to-assist-houston-hospitals

Varon says out of the more than 300 COVID-19 patients they’ve treated, they’ve had a 95 percent success rate. He uses a treatment method called MATH+, which is a combination of drugs including methylprednisolone, ascorbic acid, thiamine, heparin, and a combination of other drugs.

He says the now controversial drug hydroxychloroquine is among the drugs he uses to treat COVID-19 patients.

“Yes, we have used it,” said Varon. “We know that is a drug that has been politicized up to the wazoo. We have used it. We’ve used it with good success. We know that there is a lot of controversy, but one of the problems that we have is: we use a lot of things. We literally throw the whole kitchen sink at these patients. Because they are so sick. So sometimes you don’t know exactly what makes the difference, but we have used hydroxychloroquine in some of our patients, and they have done well.”



When the full truth of what the media and politicians are doing comes to light, there is gonna be a reckoning.

Will be news to our resident medical expert @Nolec, he thinks HCQ is a killer with tons of studies disproving it.

Course he also can't bring himself to admit that his hero Fauci said it was a wonder drug for treating coronavirus back in 2005.
 
Will be news to our resident medical expert @Nolec, he thinks HCQ is a killer with tons of studies disproving it.

Course he also can't bring himself to admit that his hero Fauci said it was a wonder drug for treating coronavirus back in 2005.


Boots on the ground. The doctors, pharmacists, etc...paint a completely different picture than social media, the media, politicians, and internet experts.

My own sister is treating covid patients, and she has been on Hydroxychloroquine for about 7 years for Rheumatoid Arthritis.. Guess what, she has had no side effects, AND....hasn't gotten Fauchina virus.

Boots on the Ground....eventually when things come to light, and THEY WILL, The Great Reckoning. That is all.
 
Will be news to our resident medical expert @Nolec, he thinks HCQ is a killer with tons of studies disproving it.
Ghost can't provide any large, randomized study that concludes with HCQ as a primary treatment protocol but thinks himself enough of a clinical researcher to discount the CDC, FDA, WHO, The White House Task Force, and the New England Journal that don't recommend the use of HCQ for Covid-19.

Course he also can't bring himself to admit that his hero Fauci said it was a wonder drug for treating coronavirus back in 2005.

Ghost and his bogus FB,Twitter sources are totally debunked once again: https://factcheck.afp.com/hoax-circ...w-about-effective-coronavirus-treatments-2005

And BTW the MATH+ protocols do not utilize HCQ. When the Dr. needs to "throw the kitchen sink" at it, he says he will resort to other drugs including HCQ.
 
And BTW the MATH+ protocols do not utilize HCQ. When the Dr. needs to "throw the kitchen sink" at it, he says he will resort to other drugs including HCQ.

And then says it has worked well.

Nolec, your issue with HCQ is Trump. You will never admit as much...but you obviously don't need to.

The other point that you are (purposefully) missing is that he is having success treating covid. I DGAS if he using HCQ only or HCQ with 19 other meds. Enough is enough with the fear porn.
 
Ghost and his bogus FB,Twitter sources are totally debunked once again: https://factcheck.afp.com/hoax-circ...w-about-effective-coronavirus-treatments-2005

And BTW the MATH+ protocols do not utilize HCQ. When the Dr. needs to "throw the kitchen sink" at it, he says he will resort to other drugs including HCQ.
What are you suggesting as the all-perfect protocol since you've debunked this? Might it be rest and monitoring and hope and pray they don't die? Because I gotta tell you if this stupid virus enters my body and I actually feel symptoms, I'll be taking the Trump cure in a heartbeat.
 
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Ghost and his bogus FB,Twitter sources are totally debunked once again: https://factcheck.afp.com/hoax-circ...w-about-effective-coronavirus-treatments-2005

And BTW the MATH+ protocols do not utilize HCQ. When the Dr. needs to "throw the kitchen sink" at it, he says he will resort to other drugs including HCQ.


Not exactly what he said. I will provide the quote again. At NO point did he insinuate that when they needed to throw the kitchen sink at it...that's when they would go for the HCQ. Goodness you are reaching. Here it is.

He says the now controversial drug hydroxychloroquine is among the drugs he uses to treat COVID-19 patients.

“Yes, we have used it,” said Varon. “We know that is a drug that has been politicized up to the wazoo. We have used it. We’ve used it with good success. We know that there is a lot of controversy, but one of the problems that we have is: we use a lot of things. We literally throw the whole kitchen sink at these patients. Because they are so sick. So sometimes you don’t know exactly what makes the difference, but we have used hydroxychloroquine in some of our patients, and they have done well.”

Let me summarize...in patients, they try something until they find something that works, and in some of those patients that thing has been HCQ. And, they have used it with good success.
 
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Ghost and his bogus FB,Twitter sources are totally debunked once again: https://factcheck.afp.com/hoax-circ...w-about-effective-coronavirus-treatments-2005

And BTW the MATH+ protocols do not utilize HCQ. When the Dr. needs to "throw the kitchen sink" at it, he says he will resort to other drugs including HCQ.


Been around long enough to know if you have to write a factcheck thats that long to prove something false, then well, you probably were doing some serious verbal hula hoops to get there. Fact checking shouldn't be that difficult. It's either true or it isn't, but that article....woof.

Bottom line. Fauci, in his position....if he didn't know about the impacts HCQ or its brother chloroquine on Sars COV -1 (which is of the coronavirus family), and he didn't know about that paper that was written by an organization with close ties to his back in 2005...then he wasn't doing his job.
 
Been around long enough to know if you have to write a factcheck thats that long to prove something false, then well, you probably were doing some serious verbal hula hoops to get there. Fact checking shouldn't be that difficult. It's either true or it isn't, but that article....woof.

Bottom line. Fauci, in his position....if he didn't know about the impacts HCQ or its brother chloroquine on Sars COV -1 (which is of the coronavirus family), and he didn't know about that paper that was written by an organization with close ties to his back in 2005...then he wasn't doing his job.
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What are you suggesting as the all-perfect protocol since you've debunked this? Might it be rest and monitoring and hope and pray they don't die? Because I gotta tell you if this stupid virus enters my body and I actually feel symptoms, I'll be taking the Trump cure in a heartbeat.

@Nolec thinks the perfect treatment is to take whatever vaccine Fauci is pushing.

Which isn't available to be taken. But @Nolec thinks it is.
 
Not exactly what he said. I will provide the quote again. At NO point did he insinuate that when they needed to throw the kitchen sink at it...that's when they would go for the HCQ. Goodness you are reaching. Here it is.

He says the now controversial drug hydroxychloroquine is among the drugs he uses to treat COVID-19 patients.

“Yes, we have used it,” said Varon. “We know that is a drug that has been politicized up to the wazoo. We have used it. We’ve used it with good success. We know that there is a lot of controversy, but one of the problems that we have is: we use a lot of things. We literally throw the whole kitchen sink at these patients. Because they are so sick. So sometimes you don’t know exactly what makes the difference, but we have used hydroxychloroquine in some of our patients, and they have done well.”

Let me summarize...in patients, they try something until they find something that works, and in some of those patients that thing has been HCQ. And, they have used it with good success.

I never in a million years thought we would reach a point where sheep would violently oppose a CURE to a virus that they legit think is 'worldwide health crisis'......simply because Trump was the one pushing it.

We used to make jokes that Trump could cure cancer, and the sheep would still hate him. Life comes at you pretty fast.
 
Been around long enough to know if you have to write a factcheck thats that long to prove something false, then well, you probably were doing some serious verbal hula hoops to get there. Fact checking shouldn't be that difficult. It's either true or it isn't, but that article....woof.

Bottom line. Fauci, in his position....if he didn't know about the impacts HCQ or its brother chloroquine on Sars COV -1 (which is of the coronavirus family), and he didn't know about that paper that was written by an organization with close ties to his back in 2005...then he wasn't doing his job.

https://www.bbc.com/news/53601027 Does a shorter link intimidate you less? How is it you believe Fauci didn't know the effects, he wrote on it?
 
I never in a million years thought we would reach a point where sheep would violently oppose a CURE to a virus that they legit think is 'worldwide health crisis'......simply because Trump was the one pushing it.

We used to make jokes that Trump could cure cancer, and the sheep would still hate him. Life comes at you pretty fast.

Poor Ghost, nearly every FB, Twitter fact he throws out has been 100% debunked.... so now he's reduced to nothing but baseless fabrications. Pathetic.
 
Seems Ghost didn't sign up for any of the clinical trials to have access to the vacines. They are free.

I bet you signed up for every one of them. Twice.

But did get you to admit they were trials and not vaccines, so there's progress.
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/53601027 Does a shorter link intimidate you less? How is it you believe Fauci didn't know the effects, he wrote on it?


So we agree then. Doc changeup knows the safety of HCQ, and its positve results on sars cov-1. Glad you’re on board. That was the entire point of the tweets you were fact checking. Glad u didn’t miss that. But hey, go ahead and throw out the baby with the bathwater I suppose.

The Fact that Doc changeup has been silent even though he knows of it’s efficacy, safety, and that it IS being used shows he is putting politics over humanity. IMO, he’s the worst of the worst.
 
So we agree then. Doc changeup knows the safety of HCQ, and its positve results on sars cov-1. Glad you’re on board. That was the entire point of the tweets you were fact checking. Glad u didn’t miss that. But hey, go ahead and throw out the baby with the bathwater I suppose.
You are trying to claim exactly what the links prove is false.

The Fact that Doc changeup has been silent even though he knows of it’s efficacy, safety, and that it IS being used shows he is putting politics over humanity. IMO, he’s the worst of the worst.
Here's a newer link further debunking your claims: https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/view/new-study-hydroxychloroquine-works-in-monkeys-not-humans
 
So Fauci and Gates are in bed on this? Is that what you just admitted?

He has admitted lots of things in this thread that were counter to what he was trying to say. Only to try and come back and recover with links that are laughable and don’t even support what he thinks they support.

the points and counterpoints don’t even make sense, and in most cases are irrelevant to what he is attempting to refute. Pretty funny actually.

Army chief medical officer is using HCQ to treat patients, and having good results. Period.
 
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The irony is these doctors did this to try to speak out against the misinformation in the media about HCQ, and social media sites immediately pull the videos....claiming misinformation.

What does the left always do? Accuse others of being guilty of the very things they do.
Ghost world: media and facts = bad
FB and Twitter = gospel
 
He has admitted lots of things in this thread that were counter to what he was trying to say. Only to try and come back and recover with links that are laughable and don’t even support what he thinks they support.

Pretty sure this is a bot because the points and counterpoints don’t even make sense, and in most cases are irrelevant to what he is attempting to refute. Pretty funny actually.

Army chief medical officer is using HCQ to treat patients, and having good results. Period.

What part of the vast majority of scientists, physicians, virologists, epidemiologists and every major clinical study to date, showing HCQ is ineffective to harmful compares badly with a Army MO, and Houston Dr. saying we use HCQ when we have to "throw the kitchen sink" at the virus?
 
He has admitted lots of things in this thread that were counter to what he was trying to say. Only to try and come back and recover with links that are laughable and don’t even support what he thinks they support.

the points and counterpoints don’t even make sense, and in most cases are irrelevant to what he is attempting to refute. Pretty funny actually.

Army chief medical officer is using HCQ to treat patients, and having good results. Period.

@Nolec cannot wait to take every vaccine candidate he can, and cannot wait to vote for Biden.
 
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What part of the vast majority of scientists, physicians, virologists, epidemiologists and every major clinical study to date

Also, in @Nolec's world, if a study shows HCQ works, it is not 'major' or not 'credible'.

Same guy that for weeks here touted the VA observational study as proof that HCQ didn't work.
 
Also, in @Nolec's world, if a study shows HCQ works, it is not 'major' or not 'credible'.

Same guy that for weeks here touted the VA observational study as proof that HCQ didn't work.

Ghost you should understand that it is lying to say this. Perhaps if you have proof it was said. Any of these observational studies are not conclusive.
 
Ghost you should understand that it is lying to say this. Perhaps if you have proof it was said. Any of these observational studies are not conclusive.

Still no one backing you up on your claims. Notice the new guys came in and immediately and independently saw the same traits in you that the rest of us have been snickering over.
 
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