Fox to pay $787M?

[LizardGrad89]

More importantly, some people somehow figure that Fox settling with Dominion means that it's impossible that our elections were compromised.

The truth is that none of these people believe this. More than likely it's just fatigue on the subject and this is just an incredibly ignorant attempt to tie a bow on it. That's fine...but when you go so far as to call people stupid because they don't believe something so asinine, you have to call BS.

I'm amazed at how obtuse you all are.

This was the Trumpists' OPPORTUNITY! Bring in all that documentation they claim they have, place it into evidence in a public trial, blow the doors wide open! You can't duck and hide in open court, you know. And since this was a defamation case brought by Dominion, anything concerning Dominion being fraudulent would be admissible.

So first, if Dominion had actually done ANYTHING fraudulent, they very likely never file a lawsuit (I remember when all of you said Dominion would just complain and never file because they would get blown up in court when the truth came out, what happened to that argument? Hmmm?) . Second, if they did file but had been fraudulent, because they believed Fox had no proof, then found out people did have proof, the best they could have hoped for would be to get it all declared inadmissible, in which case they would have agreed to settle out of court with a non-disclosure agreement, but with no money. The only way Dominion walks away with a ton of money is if they weren't fraudulent, know they weren't fraudulent, AND had evidence that Fox News knew they were lying. Oh, and could prove it harmed their business.

Let's talk about that bit. Since Dominion has 17M/year in revenue, how did they get 787 million in the suit? Because whatever they had on Fox, it was so damaging Fox paid multiple times the value of the company to get away from it. I mean, think about it, they could have BOUGHT the company for less. Why would they pay so much unless the trial would have gone just incredibly badly for them? And why would it have gone incredibly badly? BECAUSE THERE WAS NO STEAL.

 

[LizardGrad89]

I cannot believe anyone is dumb enough to believe settling a lawsuit is the same as losing, or being found guilty

Setting and paying 3/4 of a billion dollars? That's losing.

If you really want to argue semantics, at a minimum, it's cutting your losses. You only settle if you think it will cost you more to hold the trial.

 

[NavigatorII]

As a life long UK fan I actually find this funny, and not completely untrue in the eyes of some of our fan base.

Actually it sounds more like Hiden supporters. The Big Guy can do no wrong in their eyes, in spite of his buffoonery admitting he strong armed Ukraine to drop an investigation against his cartel. 😂 I typed this with great trepidation because Insta will be posting his declaration AGAIN! 😂

 

[NavigatorII]

Setting and paying 3/4 of a billion dollars? That's losing.

Don't be a complete idiot. I'll post this one more time. The settlement is FORTY FOUR times Dominion's annual revenues. No judge would allow for such BS in any other civil lawsuit, the perceived damages don't match the hatch. I thought you were a CPA, obviously you throw that around cavalierly. Something is seriously wrong and makes me think that number is complete BS, and NOT being paid by Murdoch and Co. I don't trust Murdoch as far as I can throw him, we are watching Kabuki Theater.

 

[EvilWayz]

Actually it sounds more like Hiden supporters. The Big Guy can do no wrong in their eyes, in spite of his buffoonery admitting he strong armed Ukraine to drop an investigation against his cartel. 😂 I typed this with great trepidation because Insta will be posting his declaration AGAIN! 😂

Let me help you.

@instaGATOR

 

[ghost_of_ukalum1988]

I'd be very happy if they moved Guttfeld to the 9pm spot. It's a hell of a lot more entertaining than Hannity. Guttfeld is owning every late night host shows right now. But that bar is so low, it's hard to gauge. Gone are the days of decent talk show hosts. Carson and Letterman, RIP.

Letterman turned out to be so woke……

Carson was a great one….. I liked Jay Leno as well.

 

[LizardGrad89]

Fox didn't lose, they decided to keep this from going to trial for half the original stated damages.

Neither you nor I have the real story as to why, because part of the settlement was to not disclose terms.

This does not shut the door on the idea that there was fraud, hell it doesn't even mean that Dominion didn't manipulate results. All it means is Fox didn't want to go to trial.

If Fox had the evidence of Dominion fraud, why settle at all? All these people who have been screaming that Dominion was fraudulent, they would have been HAPPY to give Fox any evidence they have. So what this tells us is, there is no evidence ANYWHERE. So these become your options. Either accept that there was no steal, or accept that the Democrats are able to put together a 100,000+ person team across the US with the goal of defrauding an election, and then successfully pull off that theft WITHOUT LEAVING A SHRED OF EVIDENCE. If it's the former, give up. If it's the latter, also give up, because the Democrats are so much smarter than the Republicans they should be running the country anyway. (I should point out, old men whining "the other guy could never have gotten that many votes because he didn't have huge rallies", that's not evidence.)

"All we know is Fox didn't want to go to trial". LOL. Yeah, ok. Because the execs didn't want to give up their regular Thursday tee time, they decided just to pay 787 million dollars. Pull the other leg, it's got bells on.

 

[LizardGrad89]

So now YOUR turn. I will let your little snowflake friends even help. My bet to you all.....I can name 10 to your one. Should be a cake walk. But you know what....you CANNOT play! Your side SUCKS balz! LOLOL And it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to respond! THINK AGAIN.

Little lizzie...did I miss all of the things are better in your response?? WHY can NO lib answer this? I 100% KNOW how slow every one of you are!! You HAVE to be to vote blue...no doubt. But I have asked ANYONE...HELL...ALL of you get together in a think tank and TRY to answer this...WHAT IS BETTER under the POS Brandon? SIMPLE question...owever I have NEVER has anyone answer this!! This is SO much fun!

I posted that once. I am not posting it again. It's not my problem you want to pretend it never happened.

 

[NavigatorII]

Let me help you.

@instaGATOR

Damn you!! You REALLY are evil!! 😂

 

[EvilWayz]

Damn you!! You REALLY are evil!! 😂

You gonna learn today...

 

[LizardGrad89]

It's on Dominion to prove defamation efftard. 😂 It's a civil suit, not criminal.

The fact that it's a civil suit is irrelevant. You would have actually been correct if this were a slander case, at least so far as concerning damages. However, print and broadcast isn't slander, it's libel. There's a different standard.

 

[LizardGrad89]

More importantly, some people somehow figure that Fox settling with Dominion means that it's impossible that our elections were compromised.

The truth is that none of these people believe this. More than likely it's just fatigue on the subject and this is just an incredibly ignorant attempt to tie a bow on it. That's fine...but when you go so far as to call people stupid because they don't believe something so asinine, you have to call BS.

It's not the settlement that proves it's impossible. It's the entire premise that's impossible, the lawsuit is merely the final straw that should shut down even the most delusional, yet interestingly, it hasn't.

 

[NavigatorII]

The fact that it's a civil suit is irrelevant. You would have actually been correct if this were a slander case, at least so far as concerning damages. However, print and broadcast isn't slander, it's libel. There's a different standard.

I'd love to see the receipts of who actually pays this, if at all. You've been hoodwinked! 😂

 

[LizardGrad89]

Don't be a complete idiot. I'll post this one more time. The settlement is FORTY FOUR times Dominion's annual revenues. No judge would allow for such BS in any other civil lawsuit, the perceived damages don't match the hatch. I thought you were a CPA, obviously you throw that around cavalierly. Something is seriously wrong and makes me think that number is complete BS, and NOT being paid by Murdoch and Co. I don't trust Murdoch as far as I can throw him, we are watching Kabuki Theater.

So, um, hmmm. You are NOW saying that the legally agreed upon settlement, which requires this payment and has the force of law behind it, isn't actually going to happen, but is some kind of shadow conspiracy theory that Fox News is a part of? You don't think it's actually a result of Fox trying to mitigate the amount of punitive damages they would have to pay for wildly and maliciously throwing around ridiculous lies, or that Dominion had gotten copies of emails or memos from execs telling staff to just go crazy?

You know, you aren't a kid any more, you keep spinning this fast you are going to injure yourself.

 

[NavigatorII]

So, um, hmmm. You are NOW saying that the legally agreed upon settlement, which requires this payment and has the force of law behind it, isn't actually going to happen, but is some kind of shadow conspiracy theory that Fox News is a part of? You don't think it's actually a result of Fox trying to mitigate the amount of punitive damages they would have to pay for wildly and maliciously throwing around ridiculous lies, or that Dominion had gotten copies of emails or memos from execs telling staff to just go crazy?

You know, you aren't a kid any more, you keep spinning this fast you are going to injure yourself.

No. I am saying this was a press release made just for ears like yours. Normally NDAs are attached to settlements. Hmmmm? And we don't know who is actually footing the bill, no matter what the amount is. This company is a backwater NPC player in a very small niche market. Now who would fund such a thing as this for the
"appropriate optics"????

 

[instaGATOR]

Actually it sounds more like Hiden supporters. The Big Guy can do no wrong in their eyes, in spite of his buffoonery admitting he strong armed Ukraine to drop an investigation against his cartel. 😂 I typed this with great trepidation because Insta will be posting his declaration AGAIN! 😂

Let me help you.

@instaGATOR

I wouldn't have even opened or looked at this thread, 8 pages in of mostly useless BS drivel, if I hadn't been tagged by the Bobbsey Twins, begging me to help out with this waste of time... 🙄

This is my only post to this thread, and it's also the last, so you two can go back to your group drivel without any help from me.... 😜

 

[EvilWayz]

I wouldn't have even opened or looked at this thread, 8 pages in of mostly useless BS drivel, if I hadn't been tagged by the Bobbsey Twins, begging me to help out with this waste of time... 🙄

This is my only post to this thread, and it's also the last, so you two can go back to your group drivel without any help from me.... 😜

I don't need help old timer. I'm being "helpful."

😂

 

[NavigatorII]

So, um, hmmm. You are NOW saying that the legally agreed upon settlement, which requires this payment and has the force of law behind it, isn't actually going to happen, but is some kind of shadow conspiracy theory that Fox News is a part of? You don't think it's actually a result of Fox trying to mitigate the amount of punitive damages they would have to pay for wildly and maliciously throwing around ridiculous lies, or that Dominion had gotten copies of emails or memos from execs telling staff to just go crazy?

You know, you aren't a kid any more, you keep spinning this fast you are going to injure yourself.

I see you understood NOTHING of what I just posted. But carry on! 😂 😂

 

[NavigatorII]

I wouldn't have even opened or looked at this thread, 8 pages in of mostly useless BS drivel, if I hadn't been tagged by the Bobbsey Twins, begging me to help out with this waste of time... 🙄

This is my only post to this thread, and it's also the last, so you two can go back to your group drivel without any help from me.... 😜

It was a snark about we've seen Biden self incriminate himself 1000 times. We get it. It just got old. 😂

 

[BamaFan1137]

Again, OJ was found guilty in the civil suit.

Edit...never mind. I just don’t care this much about our conversation.

 

[BamaFan1137]

(I remember when all of you said Dominion would just complain and never file because they would get blown up in court when the truth came out, what happened to that argument? Hmmm?)

You remember when I said that, hmmm?

I'll tell you what Lizard, if you can show me where I ever said any such thing, I'll bow to your superior intellect and humbly apologize for ever doubting your big brain.

Again, Fox crapping the bed and getting themselves in hot water over the things they said about Dominion does not mean what you're claiming it means. And you know this...you're just sick of the discussion. That I get but stop with the illogical BS.

 

[BamaFan1137]

Setting and paying 3/4 of a billion dollars? That's losing.

If you really want to argue semantics, at a minimum, it's cutting your losses. You only settle if you think it will cost you more to hold the trial.

There's no doubt that Dominion had Fox by the short hairs.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

If Fox had the evidence of Dominion fraud, why settle at all? All these people who have been screaming that Dominion was fraudulent, they would have been HAPPY to give Fox any evidence they have. So what this tells us is, there is no evidence ANYWHERE. So these become your options. Either accept that there was no steal, or accept that the Democrats are able to put together a 100,000+ person team across the US with the goal of defrauding an election, and then successfully pull off that theft WITHOUT LEAVING A SHRED OF EVIDENCE. If it's the former, give up. If it's the latter, also give up, because the Democrats are so much smarter than the Republicans they should be running the country anyway. (I should point out, old men whining "the other guy could never have gotten that many votes because he didn't have huge rallies", that's not evidence.)

I love how you dems try to spin that stealing the 2020 election would require hundreds of thousands of corrupt people working together across the nation to pull it off.

Again, all it requires is corrupt dems in the major city in each of the 5 swing states:

AZ - Phoenix
GA - Atlanta
MI - Detroit
PA - Philadelphia
WI - Madison

All dem-run cities. All saw voting delays, irregularities and fraud.

That's all it took to steal an election.

But HERE it the tell in all of this: For 3 years we have been discussing the 2020 election and if fraud occurred. In all that time, every dem here has denied it, said it never happened, free and fair election.

Not ONE dem has said this: "I think the 2020 election was fair and no fraud. However I am fine with the idea of having tighter oversight and auditing of the process to reduce the risk of fraud."

Not a SINGLE dme here has said that. Not a SINGLE dem here has said they agree with ANY measure that could lead to less chance of their being fraud.

Because EVERY SINGLE dem here knows they stole the 2020 election. That's why they want NO part of any election oversight or auditing.

When you cheat, the last thing you want is someone looking for cheating.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I'd love to see the receipts of who actually pays this, if at all. You've been hoodwinked! 😂

Did @LizardGrad89 provide the proof of the settlement amount? Or did he just run with a media report that he liked?

Lucy pulls back the football once again.

 

[fatman76]

If Fox had the evidence of Dominion fraud, why settle at all? All these people who have been screaming that Dominion was fraudulent, they would have been HAPPY to give Fox any evidence they have. So what this tells us is, there is no evidence ANYWHERE. So these become your options. Either accept that there was no steal, or accept that the Democrats are able to put together a 100,000+ person team across the US with the goal of defrauding an election, and then successfully pull off that theft WITHOUT LEAVING A SHRED OF EVIDENCE. If it's the former, give up. If it's the latter, also give up, because the Democrats are so much smarter than the Republicans they should be running the country anyway. (I should point out, old men whining "the other guy could never have gotten that many votes because he didn't have huge rallies", that's not evidence.)

"All we know is Fox didn't want to go to trial". LOL. Yeah, ok. Because the execs didn't want to give up their regular Thursday tee time, they decided just to pay 787 million dollars. Pull the other leg, it's got bells on.

We don’t know what would have come out during discovery. And we don’t know what would have happened if their employees had to take the stand.

If they had nothing why would Dominion have settled for half? If $787MM is a ton of money how much is $1.6B to a company with $20MM in annual revenues???

Lawyers aren’t THAT expensive.

 

[RayGravesGhost]

We don’t know what would have come out during discovery. And we don’t know what would have happened if their employees had to take the stand.

Both parties requested for summary judgement...disclosure was presented and released to the public

That's how we know Tucker "passionately hates trump" and that Hannity "never believed it for one second"

The judge said it was CRYSTAL CLEAR from the disclosure FOX was lying so it didn't have to even be presented in court.

FOX lost on all but 1 summary judgement item and that was actual malice

If they had nothing why would Dominion have settled for half? If $787MM is a ton of money how much is $1.6B to a company with $20MM in annual revenues???

What?

You can be guaranteed a payment 40x your revenues and 10x your valuation and you think the private equity group who owns the company is going to say no?

Lawyers aren’t THAT expensive.

Thanks but here's the facts of the case ...Lawyers probably got a third

https://www.reuters.com/legal/is-do...st-fox-news-worth-much-16-billion-2023-03-10/
Dominion was acquired by private equity group Staple Street Capital at a roughly $80 million valuation in 2018, according to a Fox filing.

In court filings, Fox cites a December 2020 text from a former Staple Street employee to a current executive saying, “Would be pretty unreal if you guys like 20x’ed your Dominion investment with these lawsuits.”

Dominion, a Denver-based private company, does not make its finances public. In an expert report commissioned by the company and unsealed on March 7, Dominion says it sustained $921 million in damage to its overall value as a business, in addition to $88 million in lost profits. Dominion is also seeking $600 million in lost future profits and an unspecified amount of punitive damages to be determined by a jury.

To support its numbers, Dominion claims that at least 20 customers terminated or declined to renew their contracts with Dominion after the 2020 election, and the company says it lost business opportunities with another 39 election jurisdictions as a result of Fox’s coverage.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Again, OJ was found guilty in the civil suit. Which was not a defamation case, BTW. Your comparison of a criminal trial to a civil defamation case isn't even apples to oranges. It's apples to disenfranchisement (randomly picking a concept rather than an actual corporeal item in order to have two things fundamentally different from one another, and waiting to see how many people think I am literally using disenfranchisement as the argument. Over/under on literal usage is three. Over/under on how many of you don't understand all these words, seven.).

SO WHAT...he was exonerated for murder in the criminal trial end every black person, and lib I know I know or saw was happy he was acquitted...even though EVERYONE on the entire planet KNOWS he was guilty. It is just more proof of what kind of POS's every democrat alive is...and always has been

Secondly I never compared any trial....that is not the point...GUILTY MEANS GUILTY to me

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Again, OJ was found guilty in the civil suit. Which was not a defamation case, BTW. Your comparison of a criminal trial to a civil defamation case isn't even apples to oranges. It's apples to disenfranchisement (randomly picking a concept rather than an actual corporeal item in order to have two things fundamentally different from one another, and waiting to see how many people think I am literally using disenfranchisement as the argument. Over/under on literal usage is three. Over/under on how many of you don't understand all these words, seven.).

HE WAS GUILTY son....what else needs to be understood...and I will bet you were one of the dumb a$$es that was not only happy he was found innocent.....but actually believes he was innocent. Stay on point.......quit the retarded lib diversion bs...you obviously usually communicate with very slow people...that BS will not fly around here.

 

[Capt Ron 1]

Don't be a complete idiot. I'll post this one more time. The settlement is FORTY FOUR times Dominion's annual revenues. No judge would allow for such BS in any other civil lawsuit, the perceived damages don't match the hatch. I thought you were a CPA, obviously you throw that around cavalierly. Something is seriously wrong and makes me think that number is complete BS, and NOT being paid by Murdoch and Co. I don't trust Murdoch as far as I can throw him, we are watching Kabuki Theater.

REMEMBER...he is an idiot DEMOCRAT CPA...so not the sharpest tool in the shed

 

[Capt Ron 1]

I love how you dems try to spin that stealing the 2020 election would require hundreds of thousands of corrupt people working together across the nation to pull it off.

Again, all it requires is corrupt dems in the major city in each of the 5 swing states:

AZ - Phoenix
GA - Atlanta
MI - Detroit
PA - Philadelphia
WI - Madison

All dem-run cities. All saw voting delays, irregularities and fraud.

That's all it took to steal an election.

But HERE it the tell in all of this: For 3 years we have been discussing the 2020 election and if fraud occurred. In all that time, every dem here has denied it, said it never happened, free and fair election.

Not ONE dem has said this: "I think the 2020 election was fair and no fraud. However I am fine with the idea of having tighter oversight and auditing of the process to reduce the risk of fraud."

Not a SINGLE dme here has said that. Not a SINGLE dem here has said they agree with ANY measure that could lead to less chance of their being fraud.

Because EVERY SINGLE dem here knows they stole the 2020 election. That's why they want NO part of any election oversight or auditing.

When you cheat, the last thing you want is someone looking for cheating.

They ALL are ZERO character, ZERO morals liars.....it is what it is.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

If Fox had the evidence of Dominion fraud, why settle at all?

That logic works for Dominion as well, doesn't it? You claim Dominion had proof Fox lied, then why settle? Take them to trial and let a lefty judge give them MORE than they were asking for. Hell Dominion could have owned Fox.

Or maybe Dominion didn't want discovery anymore than Fox did.

Did you ever verify the settlement amount? Or just going off media reports?

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

We don’t know what would have come out during discovery. And we don’t know what would have happened if their employees had to take the stand.

If they had nothing why would Dominion have settled for half? If $787MM is a ton of money how much is $1.6B to a company with $20MM in annual revenues???

Lawyers aren’t THAT expensive.

All of this is correct. And with a lefty judge overseeing the case, he could have easily given them even more than the jury awarded.

What we DO know is that Dominion machines were caught changing votes during the 2020 election in favor of Hiden. We also know that their machines were caught transmitting OVER THE INTERNET (which the CEO said was impossible) AND that they were transmitting to devices IN CHINA.

Dominion wanted no part of discovery. Notice we still have no proof of the actual settlement amount, we are just going off what Dominion is claiming it was, right?

 

[instaGATOR]

Someone like Marxist Soros could easily pay off the Fox bill, in order to reach his own Communist/Socialist ends. All parties walk away happy, while American citizens take it up the ----- yet again.....

IMO, Hillary / Dominion and the now obvious election fraud will be protected by those working to destroy a FREE America....

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

If Fox had the evidence of Dominion fraud, why settle at all? All these people who have been screaming that Dominion was fraudulent, they would have been HAPPY to give Fox any evidence they have. So what this tells us is, there is no evidence ANYWHERE.

Fine. If there's no evidence anywhere of any cheating happening, then dems should be fine signing off on a TOTAL machine AND ballot audit of the ENTIRE election in EVERY state.

All done within 2 weeks of the election.

Hello? Are you still on the line???

 

[instaGATOR]

The GhostofBrainless and Little Loopy Lizzy going at it....

Much like the FSU vs UM football game, I'm just disappointed that they can't both lose.... 😉

 

[LizardGrad89]

You remember when I said that, hmmm?

I'll tell you what Lizard, if you can show me where I ever said any such thing, I'll bow to your superior intellect and humbly apologize for ever doubting your big brain.

Again, Fox crapping the bed and getting themselves in hot water over the things they said about Dominion does not mean what you're claiming it means. And you know this...you're just sick of the discussion. That I get but stop with the illogical BS.

You don't even understand that when I say "all of you" that means more than just you? I mean, just, damn.

As for Fox, they merely repeated the lies from all those little websites ALL OF YOU love so much. Difference is, deep pockets.

 

[LizardGrad89]

REMEMBER...he is an idiot DEMOCRAT CPA...so not the sharpest tool in the shed

If that's true about me, you aren't even a tool. You are a rock.

 

[LizardGrad89]

Fine. If there's no evidence anywhere of any cheating happening, then dems should be fine signing off on a TOTAL machine AND ballot audit of the ENTIRE election in EVERY state.

All done within 2 weeks of the election.

Hello? Are you still on the line???

Weren't there machine audits in multiple states? Weren't there ballot audits in multiple states? Weren't there recounts where the vote was close?

There were.

If Fox had been able to verify even a single one of all the assertions they made after the election, just one, if they had evidence of fraud or misdealings at all, and by that I mean, if anyone on your side had a single shred of evidence they could have shared with Fox, Fox would have gone to trial and blown everybody up.

But that didn't happen, did it?

Because there isn't a single shred of evidence. Anywhere. Why is that? BECAUSE THERE WAS NO STEAL.

Tell you what buddy, let's add an additional tax rate at the 2 million dollar level, a 5% surcharge on all income, and earmark it for the most super-fairest elections ever. I'm down. At least it will shut all you poor losers up when you lose.

 

[LizardGrad89]

Someone like Marxist Soros could easily pay off the Fox bill, in order to reach his own Communist/Socialist ends. All parties walk away happy, while American citizens take it up the ----- yet again.....

IMO, Hillary / Dominion and the now obvious election fraud will be protected by those working to destroy a FREE America....

This is the thinking of people who don't understand how public corporations work, how they are audited, or the disclosures they need to make to the SEC and the public. I don't hold that against you, you are an ignorant old man, but Navigator claims to be an accountant. It's sad he holds so little understanding of how this all works. There is simply no way for anyone else to pay off that settlement without it being public knowledge.

 

[LizardGrad89]

HE WAS GUILTY son....what else needs to be understood...and I will bet you were one of the dumb a$$es that was not only happy he was found innocent.....but actually believes he was innocent. Stay on point.......quit the retarded lib diversion bs...you obviously usually communicate with very slow people...that BS will not fly around here.

That whooshing noise was my explanation going over your head. You may not have heard it, because it was way way way over your head.