Do you believe in God?
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Right...100% of mental illness is irrational perceptions. No one has the power to make you feel a certain way, it is in your brain.
It's Huckle Bearer....if you are referring to the use of the words in the movie Tombstone.
Perhaps I'm not understanding. You're saying that even if Satan tries to deceive you its up to you to figure it out? That hardly sounds fair.
That is correct. If you aren't being led by God (but rather lust, greed, hate, or ego) you are being led by dark forces. God allows you free will to serve any master you want. That's why it is so important to not only have faith but do good works. Rationalizing sins and taking no accountability for them is not righteousness, it's selfishness.
That's an interesting discussion, which I've seen both ways. I like huckleberry better though, so I'm sticking with that.
Agree. Blaming it on Satan is just a cop out.
Plus he doesn't really exist anyway.
Well, according to the Holy Bible he was cast out of heaven and has dominion over the earth until the second coming of Christ. If the Pope says different he's not referencing the Holy Bible or the Catholic Bible.
Of course it says that. But it's just allegorical IMO. Who witnessed said event?
You state IMO. Of course you would argue with the Almighty God.
We're kind of fans of the seven deadly in my neck of the woods.
Abraham, Moses, Enoch, Joseph, Elijah, Daniel, King David, Lord Jesus Christ, and his disciples/apostles/theologians.
Wolves-Sheep-Protectors. I am not calling out any names, but what are you Libs going to proclaim?
Now you are just throwing names out there. Thats not very honest for a preacher man. In the OT, Satan appears primarily in the book of Job. He’s not in the first five books supposedly written by Moses.
Of course you are a big fan of the Book of Revelation, where he appears frequently. I’m not. It’s source is questionable.
John wrote Revelations and he is highly regarded by Jesus Christ. If you think the Son of Man is a liar then you are not a Christian, for the New Testament is solely based on his word.
Sorry, you don’t get to decide who is a Christian and who isn’t. Vanity is a deadly sin.
Which John? Not John the Apostle. .
And the Book of Revelation was questioned by many early historians, including Eusebius. Some church’s exclude it from their canonical text
Doubts resurfaced during the 16th-century Protestant Reformation. Martin Luther called Revelation "neither apostolic nor prophetic" in the 1522 preface to his translation of the New Testament. Huldrych Zwingli labelled it "not a book of the Bible", and it was the only New Testament book on which John Calvin did not write a commentary. As of 2015 Revelation remains the only New Testament book not read in the Divine Liturgy of the Eastern Orthodox Church,
Paul's letters to the Corinthians say different.
The church at Corinth was a mess. I count 15 distinguishable problems that Paul addresses in 1 Corinthians: partisanship, with the Corinthians factionalizing behind rival leaders (1:10–4:21; 16:10–18); incest (5:1–13); prostitution (6:12–21); celibacy within marriage (7:1–7); Christians married to one another asking about divorce (7:8–11, 39); Christians married to pagans asking about divorce (7:12–16); questions surrounding marriage and remarriage (7:25–40); lawsuits (6:1–11); idolatry (8:1–11:1); concerns about women praying and prophesying in immodest ways (11:2–16); chaos in worship, with speaking in tongues and competing voices (chapter 14); inequality in the communal meal (11:17–34); denials of the bodily resurrection of Jesus and of Christians (15:1–58); the collection of a large sum of money to be sent to Jerusalem (16:1–4); and a change in Paul’s travel plans (16:5–9).
John of Patmos (also called John the Revelator, John the Divine, John the Theologian, and possibly John the Apostle) could be the author named John in the Book of Revelation.
The Holy Word is to be worshipped as if God is talking to you personally.
@BSC911 Revelations isn't a chapter I focus on with my ministry, it is the end result of a life on earth and is the final judgment we face. If you are a faithful servant of Christ and are doing good works then Revelation is an afterthought. However, if you think just believing in God is enough without repentance and discipleship with Christ you should take heed to the warnings in Revelations as a Red Flag distress warning that you may not be raptured to the New Heaven/Earth after the purge.
Yep. Could be, most most don’t think so. The writing is totally different.
The author names himself as "John" in the text, but his precise identity remains a point of academic debate. Second-century Christian writers such as Papias, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Melito (the bishop of Sardis), Clement of Alexandria, and the author of the Muratorian fragment identify John the Apostle as the "John" of Revelation. Modern scholarship generally takes a different view, with many considering that nothing can be known about the author except that he was a Christian prophet.Modern theological scholars characterize the Book of Revelation's author as "John of Patmos". The bulk of traditional sources date the book to the reign of the Roman emperor Domitian (AD 81–96), which evidence tends to confirm.
Of course John the Apostle didn’t write the Gospel of John, he merely ascribed it.
“for example, the gospel is written in good Greek and displays sophisticated theology, and is therefore unlikely to have been the work of a simple fisherman.”
I guess this is where we differ. If that were the case, I might as well worship the Quran or Book of Mormon. To me, I like to understand the veracity of authorship, rather than just taking someone’s word for it. As you know, there are many disputes as to what is canonical and what isn’t. Ultimately, a human (or humans) decided. Are you less of a Christian because you don’t “worship“ the Deuterocanical books?
But I don’t begrudge people who think otherwise. To each their own.
Didn’t Papias or Eusebius identify the author of Revelation as John the Presbyter? I think that’s where the whole “Prester John” thing came from.
If you believe in Jesus Christ as our Saviour then you most certainly wouldn't endorse Mohammed or Mr. Smith as prophets, that would be blasphemy to the Words that Christ said himself. John 14:6 – “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
Duh. I didn’t say I did.
But thats the reason I question all sources. Including the Holy Bible. You didn’t answer my question. Why do you not accept the Deuterocanocal books?
I believe you are right. All I know, is that it was the very last book accepted as canonical, but it has been widely disputed. Here is what I found on Wiki.
Revelation was among the last books accepted into the Christian biblical canon, and to the present day some churches that derive from the Church of the East reject it. Eastern Christians became skeptical of the book as doubts concerning its authorship and unusual style were reinforced by aversion to its acceptance by Montanists and other groups considered to be heretical. This distrust of the Book of Revelation persisted in the East through the 15th century.
Dionysius (AD 248), bishop of Alexandria and disciple of Origen, wrote that the Book of Revelation could have been written by Cerinthus although he himself did not adopt the view that Cerinthus was the writer. He regarded the Apocalypse as the work of an inspired man but not of an Apostle (Eusebius, Church History VII.25).
Without Revelation, about 2/3’s of heavy metal songs would not exist.
Because @BSC911 delights in thinking he is trolling Christians, he always has.
His massive mistake is he assumes our faith is as fragile as his.
I think I do. And it doesn’t mean you have to believe the Bible is the literal word of God, because most people don’t. If you do, more power to you. But I recognize that some people, like you, believe they are the final word on what it takes to be a Christian. You’re not, and It turns most people off.
I guess I should say you aren’t a true Christian because you aren’t a member of the One True Church, as bestowed upon Peter by Christ Himself. But I’m not that kind of person.
And you still refuse to answer my question. Which Bible is the right one?
I am a member of the Church Jesus built in 3 days. The only reference I need is the Holy Bible, everything else is just a book. If you need to be coddled then go to a Tony Robbins motivational speaking event, the Holy Bible is not PC, it is the blunt trauma Truth.
Which Bible?
You accept your version because you don't know any better, and because, well, you aren’t curious, or learned, enough to learn about the book you rely on. You are no different than a Muslim or member of the church of LDS.
KJV (old and new testaments) is the one I subscribe to. I also read Dr. Charles Spurgeon's sermons and notes as a Minister I aspire to be.
Not surprising. So you believe the Holy Bible used for 1600 years wasnt the Word of God, and a King of England should be the final word.
Like I said, good for you. I have no problem with that, and my brother is an Evangelical Preacher as well. But just know that you are a product of your environment, and many more learned people than you disagree.
