Dems view everyone as monolithic

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

Let’s get to the heart of your question: “why in the hell are you on here, dude?”

The answer is simple: to listen, learn and appropriately, where appropriate, engage.

my politics follow my world view: I distrust concentrations of power.

I read the NYT (along with many other news sources) to get a perspective. (their pieces are also very well written and can appreciate the craftsmanship). I also read your posts to get a perspective. Both are valuable.

I then try to suss out bias, agenda and other elements to get a richer world view. Through it, I am far better informed and I learn every day. I try to use “competition” to produce a better outcome. I am not here to troll. That is unproductive and immature. If you have a legitimate difference of opinion then discuss it. That is the heart of what happened on 1776.

hope that helps.

I know why you are here. Just like I know what you think about Trump. Because you've told us.

You have said clearly that you think the only reason Trump began President was to make money for him and his family.

A few facts you should know:

1 - Trump is a billionaire.
2 - Trump donated every penny of his salary, first President to do so
3 - Many of his companies have and will continue to be caught up in completely frivilous lawsuits for years, costing Trump millions. All because some people didn't want him running for President.
4 - He and his family will likely receive death threats every day for the rest of their lives.


Now a sane person would look at that list and think 'Wow, so Trump decided to put himself and his family through financial and emotional hell and leave a great life to run for President? Wow he must really love America!'

You look at that same list and say "Trump clearly ran to make money, the money-grubbing POS!"

Seriously, how do you reason with someone this irrational?

This is why I don't. I don't waste my time explaining to you how I can say you said you hate Trump.

"I never said that!"

Everyone here knows you did. And they know why I said that.

 

[grandhavendiddy]

Again, if I hated Trump, I would just say it.

lets talk about something far more interesting: apparently Pelosi is worried about him becoming speaker of the house.

discuss…. 🍿

 

[Mdfgator]

Don’t feel bad for him. The best way to stop a Democrat is put an American flag in their face. It’s like sunlight to vampires 😂😂😂

The original virtue signaling prop,the American flag, only for real patriots.

 

[kalimgoodman]

Apparently, all minorities are unable to obtain a DL or ID without gov't assistance, to suggest that they need assistance is racist so they do not require ID at all.

Some people just don't get it 🤦🏽‍♂️

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

Some people just don't get it 🤦🏽‍♂️

I completely get it. If they allow voting without proof of who the voter is they can allow voting by illegals and ex-cons that have had their voting bought and paid for to suit an agenda. You threaten illegals to vote Democrat or deport them and threaten ex-cons with violation of parole. Understood?

 

[Mdfgator]

Well it's a southern tradition. The south by nature is very religious in the black community. So it was/is a tradition to have a Sunday service then go to vote. Is it important or a big deal to me? No but to people who have been doing that tradition it is. I also think some of you are focused on the wrong stuff. If a high % of black and brown people vote on sundays on certain states, then why would they ban voting on sundays? Sometimes it's just common sense.

No the people who believe the election was stolen believe that because Trump said it was. He feed them excuses. He also said that he didn't win the popular vote in 2016 because of illegal immigrants. I'm over debating the inaccuracies about the election being stolen. It wasn't and the people who think it was, always will think it was. I know when to walk away from a debate.

No, the Mail in balloting is ripe for corruption, nobody is going to prove anything, but if I were a betting man, I would say the election was, at the very least, compromised. Doesn't change anything, two midgets were fighting it out, but the election issues in this country along with the immigration issues makes it quite obvious what the long term plans are. I think the libs are more complicate but the pubs don't have clean hands here either, both sides have a vested interest in shutting up the more uppity peasants.

 

[kalimgoodman]

I completely get it. If they allow voting without proof of who the voter is they can allow voting by illegals and ex-cons that have had their voting bought and paid for to suit an agenda. You threaten illegals to vote Democrat or deport them and threaten ex-cons with violation of parole. Understood?

That is not what I was talking about, so no you don't get it.

 

[kalimgoodman]

No, the Mail in balloting is ripe for corruption, nobody is going to prove anything, but if I were a betting man, I would say the election was, at the very least, compromised. Doesn't change anything, two midgets were fighting it out, but the election issues in this country along with the immigration issues makes it quite obvious what the long term plans are. I think the libs are more complicate but the pubs don't have clean hands here either, both sides have a vested interest in shutting up the more uppity peasants.

Lol, Sure...

 

[grandhavendiddy]

Lol, Sure...

Kalim - in fairness, you do not believe that there is a higher likelihood of errors with any mail in process versus in person? Also, if the Democrats keep open southern borders, where 60 percent plus vote Democratic, you don’t believe that is a tactic (rarely spoken out loud, except by Julian Castro) to sway elections?

 

[kalimgoodman]

Kalim - in fairness, you do not believe that there is a higher likelihood of errors with any mail in process versus in person? Also, if the Democrats keep open southern borders, where 60 percent plus vote Democratic, you don’t believe that is a tactic (rarely spoken out loud, except by Julian Castro) to sway elections?

I'll never understand why Republicans hate people from the southern border so much. There is high numbers of illegals from Canada border and via plane, but yet the southern border is always a topic of discussion/anger. I'll never get it.

This was looked into by the heritage foundation. Voter fraud definitely happens by we are talking maybe <1000 for the entire US. Nothing to change an election.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

That is not what I was talking about, so no you don't get it.

You don't get my cynical humor is the problem. Not my understanding of what I wrote. Lol

 

[kalimgoodman]

You don't get my cynical humor is the problem. Not my understanding of what I wrote. Lol

That's a fair assessment hahaha 😆. Not going to lie, I can't keep up with so many different personalities on here haha

 

[grandhavendiddy]

We should be managing immigration from all sectors far more closely. I don’t care if you are from Sweden, Somalia or South America,

the reason why, now, is that in the democratic primary, the CNN moderator asked if immigration should be decriminalized (all hands were raised) and whether Medicare for all or other benefits should be extended (all hands raised). This means that I am forced to pay higher taxes to pay foe benefits for people from other countries. When my parents emigrated from Germany and Poland (one grandfather escaped the Holocaust), they came to bust their … and make it on their own.

immigration issues also come from higher wage jobs. Indians (many of whom are good friends) come over and they compete directly with individuals graduating from college including HBCs. Same with China, South Korea and Japan.

now, what is not acceptable, at all, is broadly (emphasis here on broad) characterizing these migrants at the southern border “murderers and rapists”. It’s not a mean tweet, it’s just mean and racist. For the most part, these people are just seeking a better life for them and their families. They work hard as well, when they get there.

finally, you know who opened the border wide open? The republicans. Reagan was the first. Bush was next. Why? It produced sources of cheap labor. Bernie was against it originally as it attacked wages. Now it is flipped. Bernie wants them for votes.

we need to have managed intentional and legal immigration policies and controls.

 

[grandhavendiddy]

That's a fair assessment hahaha 😆. Not going to lie, I can't keep up with so many different personalities on here haha

That’s funny and true

 

[grandhavendiddy]

I'll never understand why Republicans hate people from the southern border so much. There is high numbers of illegals from Canada border and via plane, but yet the southern border is always a topic of discussion/anger. I'll never get it.

This was looked into by the heritage foundation. Voter fraud definitely happens by we are talking maybe <1000 for the entire US. Nothing to change an election.

Also - can you link in the Heritage Foundation report? I also agree that the level of fraud, just as McConnell said was not insignicant, it not enough to overturn the margins of defeat of all six states needed to carry the electoral college.
The rules though, and the on the fly changes, caused tens of millions to have significant questions about the integrity of them. That can and should be stopped.

 

[Mdfgator]

Lol, Sure...

Why the lol, what did I say that's even debatable?

 

[jfegaly]

Also - can you link in the Heritage Foundation report? I also agree that the level of fraud, just as McConnell said was not insignicant, it not enough to overturn the margins of defeat of all six states needed to carry the electoral college.
The rules though, and the on the fly changes, caused tens of millions to have significant questions about the integrity of them. That can and should be stopped.

Again...@kalimgoodman needs new sources. He listens to liberal sources and doesn't investigate.

No One Knows Full Extent of Election Fraud. That’s Why We Track It.

In “Thanks to Kobach, Trump and conservative think tank, we know extent of voter fraud,” Kansas City Star columnist Charles Hammer on May 20 wrote that The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database has 1,322 proven instances of election fraud, including 17 cases from Missouri. That, he said...

www.heritage.org

 

[grandhavendiddy]

Kalim - that is a good article. Thank you. (and hardly a liberal one) it confirms the above thesis is that there is a level of fraud, but not, at this point, clear that there was enough to overturn the election.

on the flip side, when the MSM says it is “baseless”, that too, identical to the lab leak theory, is inaccurate.

 

[BamaFan1137]

I'll never understand why Republicans hate people from the southern border so much. There is high numbers of illegals from Canada border and via plane, but yet the southern border is always a topic of discussion/anger. I'll never get it.

This was looked into by the heritage foundation. Voter fraud definitely happens by we are talking maybe <1000 for the entire US. Nothing to change an election.

I'm a Republican. I don't hate people from the southern border. Your comment is utter horse 💩.

I dislike ILLEGAL immigration. It's unsustainable. If you disagree, what in the entire....

Illegal immigration from our northern border is an issue...but on a VASTLY smaller scale. To intimate otherwise is absurdly dishonest.

Visa overstays are also another issue. Two things can be true. Illegal immigration from the southern border AND visa overstay can be problematic.

 

[kalimgoodman]

I'm a Republican. I don't hate people from the southern border. Your comment is utter horse 💩.

I dislike ILLEGAL immigration. It's unsustainable. If you disagree, what in the entire....

Illegal immigration from our northern border is an issue...but on a VASTLY smaller scale. To intimate otherwise is absurdly dishonest.

Visa overstays are also another issue. Two things can be true. Illegal immigration from the southern border AND visa overstay can be problematic.

You're right, it's definitely not all Republicans but majority of them do. I'm always hearing about illegals from the southern border.

Say what you want but I haven't seen any threads being critical of the northern border and yes its a mess up there too. People over staying visas is a big problem too.

That's my issue or confusion, why do most Republicans only talk about the southern border. Did you see a group of Republicans visit the northern border? I'm just asking about things i see and hear.

 

[BamaFan1137]

You're right, it's definitely not all Republicans but majority of them do. I'm always hearing about illegals from the southern border.

Say what you want but I haven't seen any threads being critical of the northern border and yes its a mess up there too. People over staying visas is a big problem too.

That's my issue or confusion, why do most Republicans only talk about the southern border. Did you see a group of Republicans visit the northern border? I'm just asking about things i see and hear.

Again...people walking across, or even driving across, our northern border is not comparable to that same issue on our southern border.

Why aren't people up in arms about illegal immigration from Canada? Well...maybe scale is the issue. Do numbers matter? Of course they do.

And visa overstays are an issue. But again, two things can be true. And in this case, they are.

 

[BamaFan1137]

You're right, it's definitely not all Republicans but majority of them do.

And this is a BS statement ftr. Can you help me quantify the statement that most Republicans hate people from our southern border? W was a Republican. He was also a 2 term president. I'm pretty sure that he didn't hate them.

My grandfather had an expression for statements like yours. I'm not 100% sure what it meant but I always loved it..."you talk like a man with a paper a$$h0le."

I guess it means that you are making proclamations that are unsubstantiated based on your feels, your preconceived notions and your bigoted stereotypes.

 

[kalimgoodman]

Again...people walking across, or even driving across, our northern border is not comparable to that same issue on our southern border.

Why aren't people up in arms about illegal immigration from Canada? Well...maybe scale is the issue. Do numbers matter? Of course they do.

And visa overstays are an issue. But again, two things can be true. And in this case, they are.

Says who? We don't truly know the scale on either border. We don't count the amount of illegals, hence why they are illegals. So cut the crap with defending this. Everything complained about the southern border is happening on the northern border. The northern border have tunnels too you know? The northern border provides drug too.

You don't have a great or even good answer but at least you're trying.

Yes they both can be true but like I said, why is the focus on one.

 

[kalimgoodman]

And this is a BS statement ftr. Can you help me quantify the statement that most Republicans hate people from our southern border? W was a Republican. He was also a 2 term president. I'm pretty sure that he didn't hate them.

My grandfather had an expression for statements like yours. I'm not 100% sure what it meant but I always loved it..."you talk like a man with a paper a$$h0le."

I guess it means that you are making proclamations that are unsubstantiated based on your feels, your preconceived notions and your bigoted stereotypes.

It's bs because you don't like it? I like discussing things with you but you have shown to be delusional as to what's going on within your own party. When I provide evidence, you tend to not respond or get upset about something to change topics. As I said before, not all Republicans have the best intentions like you, can't figure out why you refuse to see that. Trust that I know both parties have some bad intentions.

Bush got killed for showing compassion to illegals by Republicans. Something he talked about a lot. So that didn't help your claim.

Based on life experience, I feel very comfortable saying majority of Republicans.

 

[BCSpell]

You're right, it's definitely not all Republicans but majority of them do. I'm always hearing about illegals from the southern border.

Say what you want but I haven't seen any threads being critical of the northern border and yes its a mess up there too. People over staying visas is a big problem too.

That's my issue or confusion, why do most Republicans only talk about the southern border. Did you see a group of Republicans visit the northern border? I'm just asking about things i see and hear.

Being honest here. I am a registered Repub, but consider myself to be a Conservative. This is the first time I have heard that the northern border has issues. I mean, it's a border, so of course there will be some issues, but it's not something that even the MSM talk about. You hear about the 100,000+ a month coming over the Southern Border all the time. So, how bad is the northern border?

 

[grandhavendiddy]

On the Northern Border, that is an issue too. I have zero interest in individuals coming over, and I could care less about their skin color, coming over and voting for Medicare for all and other socialists programs. True for Sweden. I would much rather hang with my friend Femi (name changed) from Nigeria (legally migrated) who believes in capitalism, freedom, limited government and strong borders and policing then Johan from Sweden who wants to being democratic socialist policies where the marginal tax rate is 60 percent for those making 70K a year/US. Johan is an example of “white washing”. His pigment is meaningless here.

 

[GhostOfMatchesMalone]

I'll never understand why Republicans hate people from the southern border so much.

I'll never understand why democrats like you are so desperate to make it easier for illegals, rapists and murderers to enter the country through the Southern border.

If makes no sense. All you are doing is putting American lives at risk. Are you insane?

LEGAL immigration is the goal. STRICT policing put in place to ensure that the CRIMINALS that you coddle are NOT allowed into the country.

Do you even think about the insanity that you advocate for?

Let's let all the MS-13 gang members in with no checks. GREAT IDEA!

@kalimgoodman volunteers to have them sent to his neighborhood.

 

[grandhavendiddy]

It's bs because you don't like it? I like discussing things with you but you have shown to be delusional as to what's going on within your own party. When I provide evidence, you tend to not respond or get upset about something to change topics. As I said before, not all Republicans have the best intentions like you, can't figure out why you refuse to see that. Trust that I know both parties have some bad intentions.

Bush got killed for showing compassion to illegals by Republicans. Something he talked about a lot. So that didn't help your claim.

Based on life experience, I feel very comfortable saying majority of Republicans.

Both parties have bad actors. Majority? Not sure of, Kalim.

Bush got killed for lying about WMDs, doing little to nothing on the financial crisis and yes, opening up the border for large companies to have access to cheap labor.

bush also lacked intelligence, charisma and sound judgement. “White privledge” is not the working class person living in South Pittsburg in TN; it’s not the Italian who came over as an indentured servant, it’s not the Jew who came over to avoid the Holocaust, it’s George Bush.

 

[grandhavendiddy]

I'll never understand why democrats like you are so desperate to make it easier for illegals, rapists and murderers to enter the country through the Southern border.

If makes no sense. All you are doing is putting American lives at risk. Are you insane?

LEGAL immigration is the goal. STRICT policing put in place to ensure that the CRIMINALS that you coddle are NOT allowed into the country.

Do you even think about the insanity that you advocate for?

Let's let all the MS-13 gang members in with no checks. GREAT IDEA!

@kalimgoodman volunteers to have them sent to his neighborhood.

For multiple reasons: cheap labor and votes.

One of the reasons that hundreds of thousands are leaving is due to crime and gangs. Those elements become a minority who cross the border

the hypocrisy is seen the NY mayoral race. Candidate advocates for defunding the police yet has a private security detail.

 

[fsumc]

I completely get it. If they allow voting without proof of who the voter is they can allow voting by illegals and ex-cons that have had their voting bought and paid for to suit an agenda. You threaten illegals to vote Democrat or deport them and threaten ex-cons with violation of parole. Understood?

This has been going on with Democrats for a couple hundred years. Irish get off the boat, put in Democrat controlled housing and told how to vote. Same song and dance. Now it’s the Hispanic population flooding in here at historically high numbers.

 

[fsumc]

LOL yeh LOL all those Canucks fleeing the great tundra to the US is just as bad as those flowing from Mexico, central and South America LOL.

How do you even have a conversation with someone dedicated to lying so boldly? LOL

 

[kalimgoodman]

LOL yeh LOL all those Canucks fleeing the great tundra to the US is just as bad as those flowing from Mexico, central and South America LOL.

How do you even have a conversation with someone dedicated to lying so boldly? LOL

Why is it not? What am I lying about? So you're saying the Canadians don't scare you but the brown people do? Don't beat around the bush.

 

[kalimgoodman]

Being honest here. I am a registered Repub, but consider myself to be a Conservative. This is the first time I have heard that the northern border has issues. I mean, it's a border, so of course there will be some issues, but it's not something that even the MSM talk about. You hear about the 100,000+ a month coming over the Southern Border all the time. So, how bad is the northern border?

That's my point. The northern isn't discussed. We don't truly know how many cross either border illegally. Now I know that way more people cross over and seek asylum from the southern border. I just don't get the people who seem to associate illegal immigration and protecting the border with the southern border.

We judge our presidents on how he handles immigration by the southern border. It's pretty odd to me but whatever

 

[fsumc]

Why is it not? What am I lying about? So you're saying the Canadians don't scare you but the brown people do? Don't beat around the bush.

LOL look at Mr. I Don’t Play Games with Race LOL.

Do you need to reread my post again. You show where Canadian illegal border crossings is at the level of the southern border. Show the Canadian drug cartels terrorizing northern border states. You can’t so you copout with “we don’t know because we don’t count illegal crossings.” Which is total bs and you know it or again you’re outing yourself as completely ignorant on yet another topic. So I take it back, maybe you aren’t a liar, you’re just not smart.

Number of migrants at US border hits new record high

US border agents encounter more than 180,000 immigrants, the largest monthly total since 2000.

www.bbc.com

Southern Border Crossings Hit Record Levels Last Month — But Surge Slowing Down

Almost 179,000 people were caught trying to cross the U.S.-Mexico border last month.

www.forbes.com

Southwest border crossings on pace for highest levels in 20 years, Biden admin says

Border agents are encountering 565 unaccompanied migrant children crossing the border on average per day, up from 313 children per day last month.

www.nbcnews.com

Keep race baiting and defending Democrats. It’s your MO.

 

[kalimgoodman]

LOL look at Mr. I Don’t Play Games with Race LOL.

Do you need to reread my post again. You show where Canadian illegal border crossings is at the level of the southern border. Show the Canadian drug cartels terrorizing northern border states. You can’t so you copout with “we don’t know because we don’t count illegal crossings.” Which is total bs and you know it or again you’re outing yourself as completely ignorant on yet another topic. So I take it back, maybe you aren’t a liar, you’re just not smart.

Number of migrants at US border hits new record high

US border agents encounter more than 180,000 immigrants, the largest monthly total since 2000.

www.bbc.com

Southern Border Crossings Hit Record Levels Last Month — But Surge Slowing Down

Almost 179,000 people were caught trying to cross the U.S.-Mexico border last month.

www.forbes.com

Southwest border crossings on pace for highest levels in 20 years, Biden admin says

Border agents are encountering 565 unaccompanied migrant children crossing the border on average per day, up from 313 children per day last month.

www.nbcnews.com

Keep race baiting and defending Democrats. It’s your MO.

I'm not defending anyone. I'm not calling for immigration increases or anything. I agree that the southern border is bad and we need to get the crossing down at that border. Like someone said, I can agree with that AND think it's odd that immigration is only tied to the southern border by most republican talking heads. You can answer question or just ignore it. I don't get why you it's funny to ask a question that even another person on here said that he never hears about the northern border. It's fair to ask why, right?

 

[fsumc]

I'm not defending anyone. I'm not calling for immigration increases or anything. I agree that the southern border is bad and we need to get the crossing down at that border. Like someone said, I can agree with that AND think it's odd that immigration is only tied to the southern border by most republican talking heads. You can answer question or just ignore it. I don't get why you it's funny to ask a question that even another person on here said that he never hears about the northern border. It's fair to ask why, right?

Because it’s out of control down there and you come in acting like the northern border is just as bad and decide to throw race around about it. Like clockwork. The numbers between the northern and southern borders aren’t even comparable and to act like they are is just flat out dumb.

I’m sure the time is coming when Canada turns itself into a Marxist shithole with cartels and human trafficking, but until then the southern border has a sucking chest wound that needs serious treatment. The northern border may have issues but it’s a broken finger to the southern border by comparison. But keep talking yourself into whatever circles you need to call people racists.

 

[grandhavendiddy]

FSUMC - the answer needs to be both. Why argue with it? Do you want Canadians with their socialist leanings to come? Do you want Prince Harry? Once you argue, you get painted as a racist.

simple answer - limit immigration from ALL areas until we have low unemployment, strong wage growth and we can clearly point to sectors who need more individuals.

open borders, from anywhere, is a challenge and a threat.

 

[fsumc]

FSUMC - the answer needs to be both. Why argue with it? Do you want Canadians with their socialist leanings to come? Do you want Prince Harry? Once you argue, you get painted as a racist.

simple answer - limit immigration from ALL areas until we have low unemployment, strong wage growth and we can clearly point to sectors who need more individuals.

open borders, from anywhere, is a challenge and a threat.

In a perfect world the answer is both. But in the real world you have to prioritize.

 

[kalimgoodman]

Because it’s out of control down there and you come in acting like the northern border is just as bad and decide to throw race around about it. Like clockwork. The numbers between the northern and southern borders aren’t even comparable and to act like they are is just flat out dumb.

I’m sure the time is coming when Canada turns itself into a Marxist shithole with cartels and human trafficking, but until then the southern border has a sucking chest wound that needs serious treatment. The northern border may have issues but it’s a broken finger to the southern border by comparison. But keep talking yourself into whatever circles you need to call people racists.

No I was bringing race to you by how you answered. You praised it as you're not worried about Canucks but those Latin people. Just saying your wording was off.

The number doesn't matter. Illegal immigration is illegal immigration. I understand that one is worse but to down play or ignore one is odd. Also, if you truly care about human trafficking, then that energy needs to be the girl's coming from Europe. At last check, that is by far the leader in that category.

 

[Dr. Curmudgeon]

That's my point. The northern isn't discussed. We don't truly know how many cross either border illegally. Now I know that way more people cross over and seek asylum from the southern border. I just don't get the people who seem to associate illegal immigration and protecting the border with the southern border.

We judge our presidents on how he handles immigration by the southern border. It's pretty odd to me but whatever

Well, he's failed miserably at the border, that's why he's being judged over it.