LOL. This post is filled with so much fear. No worries it ain't gonna happen no need to convince yourself it wouldn't work. Btw I can't take the opinion of anybody seriously who still thinks the spread offense that has been around for decades is a 'gimmick.' Jesus.
Chip Kelly will be available for 2018 season?
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LOL. This post is filled with so much fear. No worries it ain't gonna happen no need to convince yourself it wouldn't work. Btw I can't take the opinion of anybody seriously who still thinks the spread offense that has been around for decades is a 'gimmick.' Jesus.
I'm hoping that the rumors tgat there was some bad blood between him and the admin when he left after 2004 is long gone.
UF wins the Outback. Congrats. Michigan is a mostly senior laden team this year so they will be young and inexperienced to start '17, thus evening the playing field against UF. I am pretty certain Mac is not going anywhere for a couple years and this team looked pretty darn good in the fourth quarter (I missed the first three). I think UF is on the right track under Mac.
I don't want Fedora just remembering watching that offense when he was here. Seemed to never move the ball when we had to in the clutch. It was alright stats wise but drove you crazy.
I still think Mac should be canned with another 4 loss season but if he turned recruiting around big time and found some offense I might change that opinion but it would probably take 5 losses next season for the AD to possibly can him.
It means everything. 1. Urban is a unique animal. Very few coaches can recruit nationally like him. I can count them on 1 hand and have digits left over.
2. Urban had to recruit nationally, bc he did not have the relationships to dominate the State of Florida. Dunlap, Harvin, Hernandez, Cunningham, Haden...most of your elite guys were OOS. As bad as FSU was during that time, we still held our own pretty well in State, despite Fredo and Weekend at Bernie's still being in charge, bc of long term relationships. In fact, Meyer's strategy of hiring a bunch of out of area coaches allowed Jimbo to kick the door down in the State and turn the tables on UF.
3. Kelly is not Urban Meyer...he is closer to Jim McElwain as a recruiter. He doesn't like it and he is not particularly good at it. Difference bw the two is, Kelly ran an offense they weren't used to seeing in a conference that doesn't put a lot of emphasis on defense and it is easier to create space out there.
Southern football is still about big boys in the trenches and LBs who can run from sideline to sideline. People want to talk about how Saban has changed to adapt. Really? Because he plays a mobile QB? He changed his defense to adapt to a mobile QB and plays more nickel and dime, but his offense is still rock em sock em. The SEC is still a down hill conference, except now most have a mobile QB and run some read option as a change up.
To say Saban didn't change is absurd. 2014 and 2016 under Kiffin were the 1st and 3rd most productive offenses in Alabama football history. The other was 1974. He has significantly opened up the offense and hiring Sark is an indication he intends to continue. He will also have only dual threat QBs on scholarship next year. Does he still like to pound the ball, sure. But they use tempo and do MUCH less of the game management stuff we do under Mac and Nuss.
Chip Kelly with Florida speed would be lethal. And he could recruit enough to be a winner. He is not much different from Gus. His system is very hard to defend, ask Jimbo. And as poorly as he recruits he won and hia sytem and players played for two national titles. So, not buying what you are selling
We get Kelly, we will get players. He will bring excitement to the program, and the kids will want to play that style of offense. Many High Schools are now playing the spread, so we would have a ton of kids trained up in that style of play to recruit.
Southern football is about "big boys in the trenches" RIGHT NOW. It was when Spurrier came in, and he changed it. But the pendulum swings and we are back to it again. It won't last. In fact, the time is ripe for a Kelly to come in and once again alter the game of football that's dominated by play in the trenches.
@LizardGrad89 I thought that was what Malzahn was going to do. More than one spread happy poster on this board told us that. And, I would place serious money that he doesn't recruit as well as Gus, either.
If Kelly is your dream candidate, who am I to rain on your parade! Have at it.
If Kelly is your dream candidate, who am I to rain on your parade! Have at it.
It means something it isn't everything. If that was the case coaches could never coach anywhere outside of where they spent the most time in their career. It's a dumb talking point. Look at all the top schools around the country and tell me how many coaches spent the majority of their career near the area where they're currently coaching. Either you can recruit or you can't. The end.
And I love how Kelly can have top 5 offenses in the NFL but the implication is that somehow his offenses won't work in the big, bad SEC. Because SEC teams have better players and coaches than NFL teams apparently. And that's not even take into account that Kelly's offense is a run first downhill attack. The staple of his offense is the inside zone play. You people don't know what you're talking about sorry.
Kelly might be a good hire for you, but what makes you think he'd come to Florida, especially with the Notre Dame job likely open? The only way you get him over ND would be if Urban leaves tOSU for ND and to spend more time with his family, which is not out of the realm of possibilities.
Speculating about who could or should be the next Gator coach, to me, is way premature. Having won the SEC East his first 2 years, as weak as it is, is still an accomplishment. I think he's got at least 2 more years before there's any realistic pressure to replace him. And who knows what he'll do during those 2 years? I agree that so far his recruiting has been below expectations and if you don't get enough top tier players you won't be a top 10 program. But by the time there's any noise from those who matter about looking for a new coach, the landscape will have changed completely from what it is now. I'm hoping like crazy that McElwain is THE guy so we don't have to go through yet another transition.
The major recruiting key for Mc-staff and UF is not the number of stars or their HS's location. --- Well, what is it then?
"We try to do as good of a job as we can do to our surrounding areas, and try to get the ones that fit for us and that fit for them." -- McElwain
So what they want is high character student-athletes that will 'fit-in' with the Gator program's aims, goals, and teammates.
The many college 'football factories' out there don't have the same standards to meet. UF has to let some of the high physical talent guys go elsewhere, because they would be unlikely to fit in. And of course some of those that would not fit in at UF also know it, so they don't look to coming to UF for those same reasons. Schools have certain 'Reps' on how they do things and the recruits are aware of the who & how, and the many differences that exist between the top D1 programs. This is even more true now days with all of the social media that's out there. The U is one prime example (scUM thugs), and the (criminoles) are another.... And inside of the SEC, those same kinds of differences exist and must be taken into account when judging the coaching performance. They (recruits) know what they are likely getting $$ when they go to a school that leads the SEC in all time NCAA Probation's for Rule Violations....
In this case, as a long time Gator fan, Viva-la-difference...
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In 2015, 2 DB's taken in the 1st round of the NFL Draft. - 5 starters to NFL.
In 2016, 2 more DB's are projected to be taken in the 1st round. - As many as 8 are moving on to the NFL with 4 being early departure Jr's.
UF = DB-U -- 2016 #1 SEC, #2 Nation in Pass Defense at 148.5 yds/gm.
~ Overall this season, UF surrendered just 3,809 total yards, for #5 in the Nation.
Due to so many injuries, many underclassmen played and they still held Iowa to just 3 points in the bowl.
That was with DC/LB'ers Randy Shannon calling the D, mostly with players that Mc has signed....
The oft predicted major drop-off in the defense since Muschamp's departure,,, has yet to happen, and might never happen. At least not in any major way.
It looks to me like those that are continuing to predict that UF's defense is going to utterly fail,,, still have a long unhappy wait in front of them...
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I wonder if it would be enough for the 'entitled' Gator fans if both the O & D finished the 2017 season rated in the Top 20, with another 9-10 win season? (a huge leap in O, coupled with a slight drop-off in the D)
"We try to do as good of a job as we can do to our surrounding areas, and try to get the ones that fit for us and that fit for them." -- McElwain
So what they want is high character student-athletes that will 'fit-in' with the Gator program's aims, goals, and teammates.
The many college 'football factories' out there don't have the same standards to meet. UF has to let some of the high physical talent guys go elsewhere, because they would be unlikely to fit in. And of course some of those that would not fit in at UF also know it, so they don't look to coming to UF for those same reasons. Schools have certain 'Reps' on how they do things and the recruits are aware of the who & how, and the many differences that exist between the top D1 programs. This is even more true now days with all of the social media that's out there. The U is one prime example (scUM thugs), and the (criminoles) are another.... And inside of the SEC, those same kinds of differences exist and must be taken into account when judging the coaching performance. They (recruits) know what they are likely getting $$ when they go to a school that leads the SEC in all time NCAA Probation's for Rule Violations....
In this case, as a long time Gator fan, Viva-la-difference...
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In 2015, 2 DB's taken in the 1st round of the NFL Draft. - 5 starters to NFL.
In 2016, 2 more DB's are projected to be taken in the 1st round. - As many as 8 are moving on to the NFL with 4 being early departure Jr's.
UF = DB-U -- 2016 #1 SEC, #2 Nation in Pass Defense at 148.5 yds/gm.
~ Overall this season, UF surrendered just 3,809 total yards, for #5 in the Nation.
Due to so many injuries, many underclassmen played and they still held Iowa to just 3 points in the bowl.
That was with DC/LB'ers Randy Shannon calling the D, mostly with players that Mc has signed....
The oft predicted major drop-off in the defense since Muschamp's departure,,, has yet to happen, and might never happen. At least not in any major way.
It looks to me like those that are continuing to predict that UF's defense is going to utterly fail,,, still have a long unhappy wait in front of them...
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I wonder if it would be enough for the 'entitled' Gator fans if both the O & D finished the 2017 season rated in the Top 20, with another 9-10 win season? (a huge leap in O, coupled with a slight drop-off in the D)
He needs an extension and a pay raise. He is doing more with less right now.
Many recruits have some baggage. It's degree and the perceived ability to change that the staff is having to judge them on. Nobody is correct all of the time with every recruit. (I would put RB Lemons in that 'questionable' column for this year)
Lawrence Wright and Ben Hanks both had some baggage. Both graduated and both are top quality citizens now days, much like Louis Murphy is. The AH's of the world eventually get what they deserve, no matter how hard someone works on trying to help them to change.
Anyone that believes that the 'recruiting playing field' is level, is either very naive, totally ignorant, or just a plain ole F-o-S homer...
Lawrence Wright and Ben Hanks both had some baggage. Both graduated and both are top quality citizens now days, much like Louis Murphy is. The AH's of the world eventually get what they deserve, no matter how hard someone works on trying to help them to change.
Anyone that believes that the 'recruiting playing field' is level, is either very naive, totally ignorant, or just a plain ole F-o-S homer...
I love how when we can't land the top guys all of a sudden all our guys are 'underrated' or 'high character' while everybody else signs the overrated thugs. I guess we offer all the same guys the football factories offer for fun?
Not only is this the truth, but you literally cannot argue against it. We have offers out to these elite kids and will spend most of the next month trying to flip a bunch, we certainly aren't ignoring them or choosing others.
Oozie u r one of a very select few on here who "have my ear". I enjoy your posts. Realistic and not bias
is this a veiled hit on Greer's GNC problems and Callaway's code of conduct problem?
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