Chance of Zaire playing for the Gators?

[Dannygator1989]

The 2017 QB job will go to Grier 2.0+....
QB-PP Jake Allen 6-4 210 over the summer and through Fall practice. Book it.

Allen, and 'change of pace' Toney will take over from the rest of those talent-less chumps. All of the rest of them can now transfer out to D2's, where their talent level will fit in. Except of course for Nick Sproles 6-2 203 rsFr. He looked great in the Spring game and so he will be the scout team QB and the 3 deep QB for 2017.

So it has been written,,, so let it be done...

The infinite universe is collapsing around you.

 

[instaGATOR]

The infinite universe is collapsing around you.

While you are traveling in ever decreasing circles of jerks, until you disappear up your own finite idiot's A-hole...

 

[Dannygator1989]

While you are traveling in ever decreasing circles of jerks, until you disappear up your own finite idiot's A-hole...

Decreasing?

 

[dnole]

While you are traveling in ever decreasing circles of jerks, until you disappear up your own finite idiot's A-hole...

Translation please?

 

[instaGATOR]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[Gator Fever]

If they force him to operate from the pocket with little movement and little designed runs, read option elements, and RPO's in the passing game he won't be. In fact I'd feel very comfortable saying the results would likely be on par with last year.

Maybe but I wouldnt mind trying him after that Spring game. I think Franks has to advance a lot not to get pounded against Michigan.

 

[instaGATOR]

Correction - That was not an actual Spring Game. That was just another player exhibition 'dog & pony' show that was put on instead of having a Spring game.

IF,,, if Mc brings in yet another 1 year retread QB in his 3rd year, then he will have earned and deserve the results that the decision to do so earns him...

 

[Dannygator1989]

Correction - That was not an actual Spring Game. That was just another player exhibition 'dog & pony' show that was put on instead of having a Spring game.

IF,,, if Mc brings in yet another 1 year retread QB in his 3rd year, then he will have earned and deserve the results that the decision to do so earns him...

Why will you. It address the fact that it was t truly "1st String and 2nd String?"

Is it because Trask looked horrible no matter whom he was with?

 

[instaGATOR]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[Michi-Gator]

Why will you. It address the fact that it was t truly "1st String and 2nd String?"

Is it because Trask looked horrible no matter whom he was with?

Apparently, he has moved from Trask to Allen, now comparing a pocket statue in Allen to a much better athlete in Grier. The guy wants a QB who fits his tape measure expectations.

 

[Michi-Gator]

I know precisely what we run and we've never run any 'real' read option concepts though we do utilize some of the same spread looks from different formations. The Appleby run against S. Carolina was one example where we did but almost every other time it's a predetermined give or keep that LOOLS like some type of option because we're running it from the gun. But you can tell by who the linemen block. If it was a read they'd have left the end or the OLB unblocked and in some cases even the safety whos dropped down since that would be the read the QB is keying but instead we block those guys which is a dead giveaway that there is no option element. Treon's and Grier's carries were almost always instances where a play broke down and they ran as well, it was not by design.

Either way, that isn't this staff's offense. Zaire is a career 58% passer and NEEDS the run game to open up his passing game, we don't run an offense to take advantage of that. It just simply isn't a part of what we do. And calling a play here or there isn't proof that they know what to do, middle school coaches know how to draw up a basic option read. What you need for a guy like Zaire is a system overhaul like what Bama did for Hurts. If you think this staff has the ability to overhaul like that in 4 months then I don't know what to tell you. And I wouldn't exactly be touting Nussmeir's work with Gardner in 2014, their offense finished 100+ in the nation in large part because they ran a scheme that didn't mesh with their personnel at all, which speaks back to my point.

Michigan got worse under Nuss, just sayin'

 

[Gator Fever]

Correction - That was not an actual Spring Game. That was just another player exhibition 'dog & pony' show that was put on instead of having a Spring game.

IF,,, if Mc brings in yet another 1 year retread QB in his 3rd year, then he will have earned and deserve the results that the decision to do so earns him...

http://events.tbo.com/blogs/gators/how-serious-are-the-malik-zaire-florida-gators-rumors/2320213

After the spring game, coach Jim McElwain was asked about the importance of developing a young quarterback. His response: "Being able to develop a guy is something that we've been fortunate to do a lot at stops along the way. And yet at the same time, we've got to go with who's going to give us the best opportunity to win ball games. At the end of the day, that's what we've got to do, is win ball games."
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Its going to either be LDR or Zaire I guess against Michigan...

 

[instaGATOR]

Who's on first....

 

[oozie7]

LDR has had surgeries on a knee and both shoulders. He would have missed half of last season, all of spring, and isn't set to be cleared until right before fall practice. He isn't starting.

 

[PacoGator19]

LDR has had surgeries on a knee and both shoulders. He would have missed half of last season, all of spring, and isn't set to be cleared until right before fall practice. He isn't starting.

You are correct

 

[instaGATOR]

Enter Jake 'the snake' Allen 6-3 210 --

It would certainly be nice for UF if Jake earned 'the snake' nickname like that other guy did.... (Ken 'the snake' Stabler 6-3 215 - was renowned for being cool and cerebral on the field)

 

[Dannygator1989]

Enter Jake 'the snake' Allen 6-3 210 --

It would certainly be nice for UF if Jake earned 'the snake' nickname like that other guy did.... (Ken 'the snake' Stabler 6-3 215 - was renowned for being cool and cerebral on the field)

Thank you professor.

 

[instaGATOR]

Go away stalker A-hole,,, or circle up your jerks,,, or whatever...

 

[Gator Fever]

LDR has had surgeries on a knee and both shoulders. He would have missed half of last season, all of spring, and isn't set to be cleared until right before fall practice. He isn't starting.

I wouldn't be so sure. Mac would rather trot him out that first game probably than trotting Franks out there if he thinks Franks might get killed. Michigan is one of the most blitz happy teams I have ever seen and if you don't have a QB that is very mobile and a threat to run big time he better be able to burn them on those blitzes. Watching Franks if he doesn't progress quite a bit more I think he will get ate up in his first start.

 

[46885]

Gonna be harder to blitz with basically every single player being a new body starting in the very first game, but our driskels are always ant brains and wouldn't check off with a god damn FG block lined up with no disguise at them... Franks looks like the same type of moron to me out there just by his demeanor alone, he looks like a modern day prince with an earring mixed with felicia from Friday... I don't need anymore soft mental midgets to watch play QB for my team, iv'e had enough of that for a lifetime with Driskel and treons sprinkled in with getting stuck watching the loser in the FSU game in 13, can't even remember his name he was so pathetic...

 

[46885]

is Zaire coming or not? And when will they finally get this shit figured out before they don't allow us to do whatever we want when we need help like bama, they already screwed us out of Grier because he was playing too good.. Bama QB could be on trial for OJ's case of a double homicide and "Spin more rhymes than a lazy susanne, and he's innocent until his guilt is proven" quotes from their fans and talking heads all year while handing him the heisman... but if we need a QB finally after 8 years of hell, well you know guys technically... we can't let you have one

 

[PacoGator19]

I wouldn't be so sure. Mac would rather trot him out that first game probably than trotting Franks out there if he thinks Franks might get killed. Michigan is one of the most blitz happy teams I have ever seen and if you don't have a QB that is very mobile and a threat to run big time he better be able to burn them on those blitzes. Watching Franks if he doesn't progress quite a bit more I think he will get ate up in his first start.

Did you watch Michigan's spring game?

 

[oozie7]

Did you watch Michigan's spring game?

Not only that, I don't know where the idea that Mac is unhappy with Franks is coming from. Last season he had nothing but praise for him and said he was close to burning his shirt. Then all spring he praised him and then even said he was separating himself. Then it was clear as day in the spring game he felt he was the guy. Seems obvious he's starting so idk why LDR or even Zaire is still being talked about.

 

[PacoGator19]

Not only that, I don't know where the idea that Mac is unhappy with Franks is coming from. Last season he had nothing but praise for him and said he was close to burning his shirt. Then all spring he praised him and then even said he was separating himself. Then it was clear as day in the spring game he felt he was the guy. Seems obvious he's starting so idk why LDR or even Zaire is still being talked about.

Agreed. I'm just curious if Fever watched Michigan's spring game. He seems to be coming up with all these so called things he knows for sure based off the spring games. Michigan's QBs were terrible in their spring game. So I'm curious how much stock he is putting into that versus UFs spring game.

 

[46885]

Not only that, I don't know where the idea that Mac is unhappy with Franks is coming from. Last season he had nothing but praise for him and said he was close to burning his shirt. Then all spring he praised him and then even said he was separating himself. Then it was clear as day in the spring game he felt he was the guy. Seems obvious he's starting so idk why LDR or even Zaire is still being talked about.

Because we need another QB with experience and can run too that won't get injured as easily just standing still back there if the OL is still inconsistent when one of our yearly burn victims unit happens as the starter.. We need as many as we can get

 

[instaGATOR]

 

[Gator Fever]

Gonna be harder to blitz with basically every single player being a new body starting in the very first game, but our driskels are always ant brains and wouldn't check off with a god damn FG block lined up with no disguise at them... Franks looks like the same type of moron to me out there just by his demeanor alone, he looks like a modern day prince with an earring mixed with felicia from Friday... I don't need anymore soft mental midgets to watch play QB for my team, iv'e had enough of that for a lifetime with Driskel and treons sprinkled in with getting stuck watching the loser in the FSU game in 13, can't even remember his name he was so pathetic...

It would be hard to match Driskel in that department but Franks does need to step it up it appears.

 

[Gator Fever]

Agreed. I'm just curious if Fever watched Michigan's spring game. He seems to be coming up with all these so called things he knows for sure based off the spring games. Michigan's QBs were terrible in their spring game. So I'm curious how much stock he is putting into that versus UFs spring game.

Spring games don't mean a whole lot when you aren't going against comparable players and are glorified practices mostly now we all know. As far as that QB on Michigan I always said he is no game changer but he does have experience in big games so he is not an actual negative at least and can play a little bit. I am hoping I am wrong but Franks doesn't give me any more confidence after that practice against walk on DBs mostly. It almost came off to me Mac was purposely not putting him in any position where he might look bad out there.

As far as Michigan and the blitzing with new players don't worry they will be bringing the house if we can't stop it because that DC has done that for quite a few years now even before coaching under Harbaugh. Also they trotted a bunch of D linemen out there last year and have experienced people there even though they weren't technically starters.

 

[PacoGator19]

Spring games don't mean a whole lot when you aren't going against comparable players and are glorified practices mostly now we all know. As far as that QB on Michigan I always said he is no game changer but he does have experience in big games so he is not an actual negative at least and can play a little bit. I am hoping I am wrong but Franks doesn't give me any more confidence after that practice against walk on DBs mostly. It almost came off to me Mac was purposely not putting him in any position where he might look bad out there.

As far as Michigan and the blitzing with new players don't worry they will be bringing the house if we can't stop it because that DC has done that for quite a few years now even before coaching under Harbaugh. Also they trotted a bunch of D linemen out there last year and have experienced people there even though they weren't technically starters.

So do Spring games mean much or not? On one hand your saying it does for us but for Michigan not so much? Your talking out of both sides of your mouth. Their QB play was awful in their spring game but it doesn't matter and in our spring game it does matter? Did I get that right?

 

[46885]

if they are playing the same QB as the Orange Bowl, our defense should be able to severely limit him and get after him to alter throws with no excuse on a consistent basis.. He's a serious statue with zero arm strength or mobility, that game all comes down to whether we can stop their run first and make them throw more on 3rd and longs and make him stand back there for 4 seconds and throw... and if we can actually run the ball on their usually good defense even with many bodies being replaced...

 

[46885]

It would be hard to match Driskel in that department but Franks does need to step it up it appears.

we've had plenty of guys matching him since, all four losses looked very much like him last year...

 

[Gator Fever]

So do Spring games mean much or not? On one hand your saying it does for us but for Michigan not so much? Your talking out of both sides of your mouth. Their QB play was awful in their spring game but it doesn't matter and in our spring game it does matter? Did I get that right?

I am talking about Michigan's starter specifically. I have watched him in the regular season and he is alright I guess but no game changer that is for sure. Did he look like crap going against walk ons and 2nd stringers? I haven't looked at it yet.

It means something probably when starters don't look pretty good against walk ons and 2nd stringers and it doesn't necessarily mean squat when starters look good against the same players such as the LDR mess last Spring game imo.

Edit: I just watched some of the game and yep their starting QB had a real bad game but their D line was eating their O line up mostly and unlike us they had a lot of plays with ones going against ones etc. Watching that gives me more confidence our D line will hold up in that game against them but I think their fans may be right and they are going to have a real good D line despite the departures.

 

[Gator Fever]

we've had plenty of guys matching him since, all four losses looked very much like him last year...

lol Well a lot of LDR's were just him throwing ducks up for grabs and Appleby I will say had a bunch you just said what the hell happened there and some the receivers making no effort to at least stop an interception when they easily could have. Bad but I think Driskel did the most boneheaded stuff of all of them.

 

[PacoGator19]

I am talking about Michigan's starter specifically. I have watched him in the regular season and he is alright I guess but no game changer that is for sure. Did he look like crap going against walk ons and 2nd stringers? I haven't looked at it yet.

It means something probably when starters don't look pretty good against walk ons and 2nd stringers and it doesn't necessarily mean squat when starters look good against the same players such as the LDR mess last Spring game imo.

Edit: I just watched some of the game and yep their starting QB had a real bad game but their D line was eating their O line up mostly and unlike us they had a lot of plays with ones going against ones etc. Watching that gives me more confidence our D line will hold up in that game against them but I think their fans may be right and they are going to have a real good D line despite the departures.

Oozie already went over Franks performance in the spring game etc. You just have your own agenda. Just admit it and we can all move on. You have no idea if Franks will start or not or how good or bad he will do.

 

[PacoGator19]

ESPN this morning was saying that the Michigan quarterback play was horrible, 9 for 26, 76 yards, and 2 picks on the day.

That is much worse than Trask

 

[Gator Fever]

Oozie already went over Franks performance in the spring game etc. You just have your own agenda. Just admit it and we can all move on. You have no idea if Franks will start or not or how good or bad he will do.

I dont have my own agenda others have pointed out how he follows his first read a bunch and that he was going against walk on DBs etc. much of the time. I am a huge Gator fan but I don't sugar coat mess I think I am seeing since all the mess on offense since 2010. I would think this would be the year the offense would finally take off but I am not convinced Franks will be up to the task from what I have seen and heard so far. Heck if it went by hope and people saying someone was ready finally Driskel would have finally played halfway decent against SEC defenses. I hope like hell Franks does prove me wrong big time but what we type here sure doesn't change anything that is going to happen in the games. It might give people the keyboard I told you so but that is about it.

 

[Gator Fever]

ESPN this morning was saying that the Michigan quarterback play was horrible, 9 for 26, 76 yards, and 2 picks on the day.

That is much worse than Trask

Problem is we know the Michigan QB is average in real games. We know nothing about ours in real games against even competition. Michigan at least let the ones go against the ones quite a bit.

 

[oozie7]

Fever,

Stop putting too much stock into what reporters are saying. Not trying to be dismissive of all of them but most don't know what the hell they're looking at. There are 4 plays off memory alone where I know Franks went through multiple reads for the completion. And then there are others like the TD to Calloway on the smash concept I talked about where people are saying he 'looked one way' the whole time not even understanding the concept of the play is a 2-way read to one side of the field. Nobody has been a bigger critic of our QB's of late, and especially Franks, than me (maybe Numbers) and I came away from the game impressed. I don't get where all these bad performance reviews are coming from. That's just being pessimistic to be pessimistic. Luke Del Rio's stats last year were much better than Franks' this year and I feel Franks had the better performance by far. Not even close to me actually.

 

[Gator Fever]

Fever,

Stop putting too much stock into what reporters are saying. Not trying to be dismissive of all of them but most don't know what the hell they're looking at. There are 4 plays off memory alone where I know Franks went through multiple reads for the completion. And then there are others like the TD to Calloway on the smash concept I talked about where people are saying he 'looked one way' the whole time not even understanding the concept of the play is a 2-way read to one side of the field. Nobody has been a bigger critic of our QB's of late, and especially Franks, than me (maybe Numbers) and I came away from the game impressed. I don't get where all these bad performance reviews are coming from. That's just being pessimistic to be pessimistic. Luke Del Rio's stats last year were much better than Franks' this year and I feel Franks had the better performance by far. Not even close to me actually.

But you did see who was out there he was going against. In my mind it was custom tailored to him and he still looked average with it done for him like that so it scares me to think what will happen against top notch defenders. I think Mac is trying to get another QB here if the SEC will allow it because he is scared about what he has at QB right now. Time will tell I guess but I respect everyone's opinion even when I disagree with it and argue my points. I remember getting crucified a few times for saying I thought there was no hope for Driskel and why does Muschamp keep putting him out there in 2012 etc. but most people finally dropped that when he played the same way in 2014. The one good thing is Franks hasn't played a real game yet so maybe he will surprise the hell out of me after all.

I wish that pro-review place would have done a piece on the QB in our Spring game like they did with LDR last year because even though they didn't dog LDR's performance they did say how the game was made easy for him and that he was probably going to have issues with his arm strength on some routes and his tendency to throw off his back foot when pressured.

 

[oozie7]

But you did see who was out there he was going against. In my mind it was custom tailored to him and he still looked average with it done for him like that so it scares me to think what will happen against top notch defenders. I think Mac is trying to get another QB here if the SEC will allow it because he is scared about what he has at QB right now. Time will tell I guess but I respect everyone's opinion even when I disagree with it and argue my points. I remember getting crucified a few times for saying I thought there was no hope for Driskel and why does Muschamp keep putting him out there in 2012 etc. but most people finally dropped that when he played the same way in 2014. The one good thing is Franks hasn't played a real game yet so maybe he will surprise the hell out of me after all.

I wish that pro-review place would have done a piece on the QB in our Spring game like they did with LDR last year because even though they didn't dog LDR's performance they did say how the game was made easy for him and that he was probably going to have issues with his arm strength on some routes and his tendency to throw off his back foot when pressured.

Most of those spring games are fluff. And honestly it doesn't matter who the defenders are, don't look for that. Look for things like progression and ball placement and how they climb the pocket...things that transfer to the game. On 2/3 for those he was A-1. Ball placement was off on a few balls but that seemed to be more of an issue of trying to gun a ball in when touch would have been better.