I don't know why anybody would celebrate Zaire coming here because it would be a terrible sign all the way around. And if Zaire was to come here and lead us to another SEC Title game beatdown for example, not we're heading into year 4 still not having any idea if our offensive coach can develop an offense or a QB...just wasting time and putting off a real evaluation period for another year. Good or bad we need to see his players this year, period. The blaming of Muschamp and transfer QB's needs to end.
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I don't think anyone would be blaming much of anything if Zaire comes in winning games for us... and I think he could
Nah you're missing my point. I'm saying the first two years everybody blamed Muschamp's offensive players or having to play bad transfer QB's out of necessity. Yet here we are in year 3 and it looks like about to go the transfer QB route again. At what point do we get to evaluate this coach with his players? I could see if this was Stidham or somebody like that who had multiple years left, Zaire is a one year rental then we have this exact same scenario a year from now, then what? We'll be heading into year 4 and still not knowing if this staff can recruit and develop a QB. Whether they can or not needs to be found out THIS year, it's about to be three damn years.
It's like waiting around on a chick promising you a relationship but who won't commit, same thing. "I promise I'm gonna deliver y'all a good QB and offense, just wait till next year, we need another transfer QB for just this year. Next year the QB I recruited is gonna step up and produce, I pinky promise"
It's like waiting around on a chick promising you a relationship but who won't commit, same thing. "I promise I'm gonna deliver y'all a good QB and offense, just wait till next year, we need another transfer QB for just this year. Next year the QB I recruited is gonna step up and produce, I pinky promise"
He's brought one in each year.
Let's not act like he's taken 2 guys a year or something.
If Zaire comes here, so what? A bunch of handwringing about not being able to evaluate\recruit talent at QB?
We will find out. One way or the other.
Let's not act like he's taken 2 guys a year or something.
If Zaire comes here, so what? A bunch of handwringing about not being able to evaluate\recruit talent at QB?
We will find out. One way or the other.
Yep despite our personal opinions about what the coach is doing we can't fault Zaire for wanting to come here and play QB.
Some of you twits ran your mouths about the 2017 recruiting class,,, then ran your mouths some more, and then ran your mouths even more. Then came NSD and you had to sit down and STFU, but you never admitted to having run your ignorant mouths for months before being proven to be FoS.... 
So now you run your mouths about Trask being a no good backup in HS while touting any and every retread QB coming down the pike. Likely to end up being proven FoS yet again about the QB's and the Mc-Nuss offense in 2017.
Why,,, EVERYBODY is saying that Mc is hard after,,,, take your pick.
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"When either Luke Del Rio or Austin Appleby found a rhythm last season, hitting their back foot and getting the ball out quickly and accurately, the (Mc-Nuss) offense moved. But for long, long stretches they struggled to play with rhythm or timing and too often missed guys even when they were wide open."
https://www.seccountry.com/sec/film-room-five-florida-quarterbacks-alabama-running-backs-dylan-moses
BTW, when EVERYBODY is your solid 'authority,' them you're likely just FoS again....
PS
Were it me doing the pickin',,, which it ain't obviously, Milton is the 2018 QB that I'd add.
So now you run your mouths about Trask being a no good backup in HS while touting any and every retread QB coming down the pike. Likely to end up being proven FoS yet again about the QB's and the Mc-Nuss offense in 2017.
Why,,, EVERYBODY is saying that Mc is hard after,,,, take your pick.
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"When either Luke Del Rio or Austin Appleby found a rhythm last season, hitting their back foot and getting the ball out quickly and accurately, the (Mc-Nuss) offense moved. But for long, long stretches they struggled to play with rhythm or timing and too often missed guys even when they were wide open."
https://www.seccountry.com/sec/film-room-five-florida-quarterbacks-alabama-running-backs-dylan-moses
BTW, when EVERYBODY is your solid 'authority,' them you're likely just FoS again....
PS
Were it me doing the pickin',,, which it ain't obviously, Milton is the 2018 QB that I'd add.
A transfer QB each year is pretty significant. I can't think of another team in the country that has done that. Usually it happens on a really odd year for healthy programs where a QB leaves earlier than expected or has a career ending injury, etc. If, if Zaire comes that's three transfer QB's in three years. And the so what is that it's a terrible sign for the present and future. In the present it means all the QB's they brought in aren't worth a damn, which doesn't reflect well on this staff in recruiting or development. And for the future it means next year we still won't have a QB after the one year rental and signals that the coach brought here to fix the offense and the QB position can't do so.
Not to mention the dude isn't even good. 800 passing yards in 2 seasons and lost a QB competition two different times. First to Everett Gholson and then Kizer last year. He's like a career 58% passer too. If they feel he's the answer lord help us.
2 seasons??He broke his ankle in his 2nd season during the 2nd game of the season. He actually beat out Gholston. Gholston transferred and Zaire broke his ankle 2 games in. I'm not saying Zaire is some great QB but he really hasn't played that much due to his injury.
Nah the only part that's accurate about your statement is the one season he got injured early. Gholston was the starter the entirety of his last year at ND. Then they split reps in the bowl game against LSU and Gholston was the 'passing' QB while Zaire was the 'running' QB. Even still Gholston started that game while Zaire only threw a handful of passes, they just brought him in to run like a Leak/Tebow deal. Gholston transferred after that because of his bad relationship with Kelly not because he lost any battle. Then the following year Zaire was starter by default and broke his ankle two games in then missed the entire season. But last off-season he and Kizer battled for the job and even split reps against Texas and he eventually lost that battle as well. So yea...he's lost two different QB battles already.
What I see through my old jaundiced eyes is this....
The xfer retread QB's are all off-season media-moron distraction confetti...
Either Trask or Franks will be named the 2017 starter.
The other of those 2 will battle it out in the Fall with LDR and Allen for the #2 spot.
IF -- if LDR beats out the Trask/Franks loser and Allen for the #2 spot, then look for at least one of them T/F/A to bolt for playing time opportunities elsewhere.
1. Trask or Franks
2. Franks or Trask
3. Allen
4. LDR -- A very good future football coach.
5. Toney - Wildcat QB Package / combo RB/Slot/WR/KR.
With Joe Milton coming in for the 2018 QB competition.
The xfer retread QB's are all off-season media-moron distraction confetti...
Either Trask or Franks will be named the 2017 starter.
The other of those 2 will battle it out in the Fall with LDR and Allen for the #2 spot.
IF -- if LDR beats out the Trask/Franks loser and Allen for the #2 spot, then look for at least one of them T/F/A to bolt for playing time opportunities elsewhere.
1. Trask or Franks
2. Franks or Trask
3. Allen
4. LDR -- A very good future football coach.
5. Toney - Wildcat QB Package / combo RB/Slot/WR/KR.
With Joe Milton coming in for the 2018 QB competition.
I think he did alright in the games he played in but ND fans seem to think he got worse as time went on.
What I see through my old jaundiced eyes is this....
The xfer retread QB's are all off-season media-moron distraction confetti...
Either Trask or Franks will be named the 2017 starter.
The other of those 2 will battle it out in the Fall with LDR and Allen for the #2 spot.
IF -- if LDR beats out the Trask/Franks loser and Allen for the #2 spot, then look for at least one of them T/F/A to bolt for playing time opportunities elsewhere.
1. Trask or Franks
2. Franks or Trask
3. Allen
4. LDR -- A very good future football coach.
5. Toney - Wildcat QB Package / combo RB/Slot/WR/KR.
With Joe Milton coming in for the 2018 QB competition.
If Zaire comes here Allen may be 5th on the depth chart and a guaranteed redshirt.
I encourage y'all to watch that Texas game and tell me what you see. And Texas while having a good pass rush had one of the worst pass defenses in the country. Zaire needs his legs to open up his passing and we don't run that kind of offense so idk where the fit is. If this was last year then cool whatever but now?
IF --- if any retread QB comes here in 2017, then the sky is falling....
.... and I honestly don't believe that Zaire could even beat out tFr Allen.
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Should clarify I don't have an issue with transfer QB's in general. And matter of fact the first two years it made sense to do it. Year one there's only 2 QB's on the roster so bringing in a transfer for depth made sense. Going into year two both of those QB's are gone and you have two true freshman and another transfer...made sense then too even though I'd have played one of the freshmen and lived with the results. But now in year three after you've had the chance to bring in two of your own QB's and develop them for 18 months? One of them should be ready to play. Not counting Zaire we'll have 5 QB's on scholarship come fall. They can't develop not one of them?
Hell, I'd give Sproles a real shot at the job before bringing in another retread QB.
:2017 QB's that are already on the roster:
1. #28 QB-PP Luke Del Rio 6-1 211 rsJr - Jax - Colo
2. NR QB-PP Kyle Trask 6-4 238 rsFr - Manvel, Tx
3. #3 QB-PP Feleipe' Franks 6-6 219 rsFr - Crawfordville FL
4. #16 QB-PP Jake Allen 6-3 210 Fr (arrives in May) - Ft. Lauderdale, FL
5. #63 Ath/QB Kadarius Toney 5-11 180 Fr EE - Pritchard, AL
6. QB Nike Sproles 6-2 203 rsFr W-O - Winter Park, FL
Senior Season: 144-226 (63.7%) for 2,006 yds, 15 TD's, & 4 rushing TD's.
He also played basketball and made it to the 8A Final Four State Championship.
Bringing in Zaire, or any other retread QB, would be a very poor joke imoho....
For a dude who stated he could coach up his dog in his first press conference, you'd think he'd be better at developing the actual human qb's he put on his own roster. Doesn't appear to be the case for some reason. It is VERY weird.
Wait, I thought that I'm the only one that's allowed to mention Clarabelle here...
To be fair sad, he has taken a cluster-ph roster/team to consecutive SECe-C's and a 19-8 record with a 30-3 Outback Bowl win, and that's before he's even had a really good QB to run his offense.
I suspect that one or both of those rsFr QB's to light it up in 2017.
So as I said before NSD, wait until Sept to go all dooms day on the team & coaches.
I'm not even claiming Zaire is some great QB but wasn't he the MVP of that bowl game? He really hasn't had that much PT to be honest and losing a QB battle to Deshone Kiser isn't necessarily an indictment of Zaire's abilities. Nobody says you have to start the guy. I doubt McElwain is guaranteeing him the starting job without him even going through spring practice. No way!
No, i get it... But i will take anything that's even human out there to help us win football games now at that position at this point.. If he's the best, which wouldn't take much, start him and win now to help with recruiting and a shot to win a championship... He can help the OL and everyone else by taking off when he needs to and has a strong arm to complete some passes to plenty of guys to spread it to.. With our defense, we don't need a great QB, haven't needed it for many years. I have no problem with an athlete that's shown he can play fine against top SEC defense in LSU to do SOMETHING out there for us, which is more than we have seen.
Yes but it wasn't a great performance or anything. 96 yards passing and another 96 rushing.
I don't think he's terrible or anything either, but he's not a guy who is gonna take you to the next level. This isn't Stidham or Russell Wilson or Davis Webb. So why put off seeing what you have in the QB's you recruited for 1 year of this dude? And let's not kid ourselves...if he comes here he's starting. The entire reason he's transferring is so he can start somewhere his last year, he's not gonna go anywhere where there's even a chance he sits. He could have already chosen a program where he'd be guaranteed a job by now rather than waiting (it looks like) for our coaches to open up a spot for him.
I don't think a guy who isn't even participating at spring practice for the hardest position on the field that doesn't know the system has been guaranteed a starting spot here as a QB at UF. And a guy that really hasn't played much college football period. No way!!
Especially since most reports is that Franks is doing well and improving and has pulled a big lead over Trask in the QB battle.
Zaire is not coming here to start. He's gonna have to compete for the QB spot.
You would think so but where is there an example of a grad transfer going somewhere and not starting? I can't think of one though there might be a few. And to your point...if Franks is improving as much as is being reported, why bring in Zaire at all? I guess we'll see but I'm still hoping to see Franks or Trask without the distraction of a grad transfer.
Well they obviously aren't doing well enough, just like the others since Grier got kicked out of town for eating illegal snowcones if the staff mac and nuss are chasing after more transfers so hard to come in a patch it up immediately... it must not be that hard for him to take over in the off season learning the playbook and for two a days and fall camp before the season, he might not start the first game if he comes in but if franks is out there giving the game away and season already early, it will be like the bama situation last year with the yank early and fast im sure with Hurts.. We can't lose that first game, the coaches know it and if Zaire does indeed come in if that's the route they ultimately plan on going for this year, they need to make it happen, and FAST... The good thing about a guy like him is we don't need some great in depth play call sheet because of his leg like a dual threat guy for Auburn, if you look at what ND was doing with him and especially if you watch that game film from the LSU game I posted, they were basically using him in the exact formations we were running with treon and most snaps with Appleby when he came back in against SC at the end of the season, pistol snaps with the same set of offset wing back and jet sweep motions to open up the A gap pulled runs for him out of pistol and short gun... I mean i get what many are saying in our fanbase and what oozie is saying about the future but honestly... Im SO sick of watching shit at that position ill take anyone that can just be decent and if we are lucky, good... even for just one season to get things going for recruiting and until we find the guy we need at QB, maybe even during the season with Franks getting to play in blowouts early in the year against lesser teams or rotating something for later, or even if they use Toney some.. Are they going to keep him strictly at QB or what at this point? I know they should want to get him on the field somehow early in the season to put the ball in his hands one way or another with short tosses or something like percy, he has good film in HS with the ball in his hands and his quickness/elusiveness...
Just looking at the situations at the schools supposedly looking at Zaire we would appear to be on paper his best chance to start. Texas is going after him pretty good but their QB didn't play that bad when he came in and played last season. Baylor has a grad transfer already there with them fighting for the starting position with another QB there. Wisconsin has a QB that played a lot last season and the coach has already said he is the starter. So that leaves us with two RS freshman who have never taken a snap and LDR who showed he is a liability against SEC defenses. Which one would you pick if you wanted the better chance to start? Maybe not wanting to wait until later May for the rule change could make him go ahead and go to Texas but if he doesn't do that I think we get him if that rule is changed.
I'm not convinced that just because we are pursuing Zaire means all the other QBs aren't doing well or the coaching staff doesnt have confidence in Franks.
depends on how hard we are going after him, because we have more depth at the position since Cam and Tebow were on the same roster, or since Spurrier was here, or Fedora and Zaunbrecher with Zook...
If he ends up coming here, it will tell me plenty about the QB's already here in my eyes...
Ah BS on Mc chasing any xfer hard at this point. That's coming from the media-morons, not outta Mc's mouth. If anyone has a real Mc quote, then link it. Otherwise, I'm calling BS on it.
If they were going with a retread QB, then I'd just go ahead and play LDR, the guy that's been in this offense going on his 3rd year, not with some clueless FNG.
My own prejudice-bias tells me that Franks struts and talks leadership, while the more laid-back Trask demonstrates his leadership with his actions. Which of those two personalities works out best for the current team has yet to be seen. But both/either can likely get the job done come Sept.
For me it comes down to who do you trust to lead your team,,, and which one would you rather see dating your daughter (the better man)? However, I'd welcome Franks proving me incorrect in 2017. Trask was the better choice in 2016 imo, but we've yet to see how much each has improved since then. This Friday night will begin to answer the questions...
Nothing personal, but off the top of my head as Gator QB's, I never liked Kyle Morris, Terry Dean, Doug Johnson, Rex Grossman, Cam Newton, Jacoby Brissett, Treon Harris, Luke Del Rio, or Austin Appleby. We'll see soon enough on Franks and Trask.
McElwain -- “I know one thing: They can throw it. They can really throw it. They have natural arm talent. We’re going to be pretty good [at QB].”
And for now, that actual Mc-quote is good enough for me.... (iG)
If they were going with a retread QB, then I'd just go ahead and play LDR, the guy that's been in this offense going on his 3rd year, not with some clueless FNG.
My own prejudice-bias tells me that Franks struts and talks leadership, while the more laid-back Trask demonstrates his leadership with his actions. Which of those two personalities works out best for the current team has yet to be seen. But both/either can likely get the job done come Sept.
For me it comes down to who do you trust to lead your team,,, and which one would you rather see dating your daughter (the better man)? However, I'd welcome Franks proving me incorrect in 2017. Trask was the better choice in 2016 imo, but we've yet to see how much each has improved since then. This Friday night will begin to answer the questions...
Nothing personal, but off the top of my head as Gator QB's, I never liked Kyle Morris, Terry Dean, Doug Johnson, Rex Grossman, Cam Newton, Jacoby Brissett, Treon Harris, Luke Del Rio, or Austin Appleby. We'll see soon enough on Franks and Trask.
McElwain -- “I know one thing: They can throw it. They can really throw it. They have natural arm talent. We’re going to be pretty good [at QB].”
And for now, that actual Mc-quote is good enough for me.... (iG)
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/f...dame-transfer-qb-malik-zaire-mutual-interest/
It’s no secret that the quarterback position in Gainesville has been a revolving door since the departure of Tim Tebow in 2009. The Gators have had nine different starters line up under center in the six years since the Heisman Trophy winner played his final snap.
Could the remedy to this problem be found in graduate transfer and former Notre Dame QB Malik Zaire? Obviously, freshmen Feleipe Franks and Kyle Trask are battling it out under center this spring, but Florida turning down a veteran quarterback likely won’t happen.
It’s no secret that Zaire has considered Florida as an option since early in the process, and sources confirmed to 247Sports on Monday that there is in fact interest on both sides. The issue for the Gators appears to be an SEC regulation.
Florida head coach Jim McElwain is predictably against the rule and thinks that the league will, in fact, review it at those meetings.
It’s no secret that the quarterback position in Gainesville has been a revolving door since the departure of Tim Tebow in 2009. The Gators have had nine different starters line up under center in the six years since the Heisman Trophy winner played his final snap.
Could the remedy to this problem be found in graduate transfer and former Notre Dame QB Malik Zaire? Obviously, freshmen Feleipe Franks and Kyle Trask are battling it out under center this spring, but Florida turning down a veteran quarterback likely won’t happen.
It’s no secret that Zaire has considered Florida as an option since early in the process, and sources confirmed to 247Sports on Monday that there is in fact interest on both sides. The issue for the Gators appears to be an SEC regulation.
Florida head coach Jim McElwain is predictably against the rule and thinks that the league will, in fact, review it at those meetings.
Yep, I've seen several stories by media-morons on Zaire coming to UF.
What I haven't seen is a direct quote from Mc on it.
Show be a direct quote from Mc, not just another media-moron article about what THEY think is going to happen.
McElwain --“I know one thing: They can throw it. They can really throw it. They have natural arm talent. We’re going to be pretty good [at QB].”
And for now, that actual Mc-quote is good enough for me.... (iG)
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2017 QB's that are already on the roster:
1. #28 QB-PP Luke Del Rio 6-1 211 rsJr - Jax - Colo
2. NR QB-PP Kyle Trask 6-4 238 rsFr - Manvel, Tx
3. #3 QB-PP Feleipe' Franks 6-6 219 rsFr - Crawfordville FL
4. Ath/QB Kadarius Toney 5-11 180 Fr EE -
5. QB-PP Jake Allen 6-3 210 Fr (arrives in May) - Ft. Lauderdale, FL
6. QB Nike Sproles 6-2 203 rsFr W-O - Winter Park, FL
Senior Season: 144-226 (63.7%) for 2,006 yds, 15 TD's, & 4 rushing TD's.
He also played basketball and made it to the 8A Final Four State Championship.
Heck, I'd give him a shot at the job before bringing in Zaire...
Bringing in Zarire or any other retread QB, would be a very poor joke imoho....
What I haven't seen is a direct quote from Mc on it.
Show be a direct quote from Mc, not just another media-moron article about what THEY think is going to happen.
McElwain --“I know one thing: They can throw it. They can really throw it. They have natural arm talent. We’re going to be pretty good [at QB].”
And for now, that actual Mc-quote is good enough for me.... (iG)
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Edit Addition:
2017 QB's that are already on the roster:
1. #28 QB-PP Luke Del Rio 6-1 211 rsJr - Jax - Colo
2. NR QB-PP Kyle Trask 6-4 238 rsFr - Manvel, Tx
3. #3 QB-PP Feleipe' Franks 6-6 219 rsFr - Crawfordville FL
4. Ath/QB Kadarius Toney 5-11 180 Fr EE -
5. QB-PP Jake Allen 6-3 210 Fr (arrives in May) - Ft. Lauderdale, FL
6. QB Nike Sproles 6-2 203 rsFr W-O - Winter Park, FL
Senior Season: 144-226 (63.7%) for 2,006 yds, 15 TD's, & 4 rushing TD's.
He also played basketball and made it to the 8A Final Four State Championship.
Heck, I'd give him a shot at the job before bringing in Zaire...
Bringing in Zarire or any other retread QB, would be a very poor joke imoho....
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Yep, I've seen several stories by media-morons on Zaire coming to UF.
What I haven't seen is a direct quote from Mc on it.
Show be a direct quote from Mc, not just another media-moron article about what THEY think is going to happen.
McElwain --“I know one thing: They can throw it. They can really throw it. They have natural arm talent. We’re going to be pretty good [at QB].”
And for now, that actual Mc-quote is good enough for me.... (iG)
So are you saying by default Mac is a moron if he brings Zaire here?
Nope. What I think is that Mc is skating on pretty thin ice if he brings in ANY more retread QB's, now and going forward, unless some extraordinary unforeseen circumstances forced him to at some point in the future.
I say what I say, as do you and anyone else posting here, so don't try to speak for me... Or should I follow your format and try to speak for you?
(so you're saying that Mc is positively a moron is he doesn't bring in Zaire)
I think if Mac brings him in it means Franks is struggling despite the fluff we are being fed. If it was up to me Mac would go with either Franks or Trask and switch to the other one if needed and I think if he doesn't bring a Zaire in that will be Franks first simply because he is the blue chipper. If Zaire does end up here I have a feeling he could end up starting against Michigan.
While I believe that IF chit didn't stink, then it would smell good....
Well If Franks didn't apparently like throwing it to the defense so much then maybe Mac wouldn't even consider Zaire.
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