Apparently his solution is to agree with us, then attempt to troll us for agreeing with him.
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But, according to you all normally, wouldn't any restriction be unconstitutional?
The Supreme Court has ruled that restrictions on gun ownership by criminals and the mentally ill should be allowed. And any sane person would agree, as both of us do.
Are you actually trying to argue with me for agreeing with you?
There are over 300 million guns in circulation, at least that are known.
What is your plan to means test each owner for the privilege of keeping them, and what would you do if they didn’t meet your undefined standard?
As many Jags games I've been to, a ton of security and LEO have always been quick to respond to this kind of crap before it further escalated. Could it be that the liberal LEO don't give two sh!ts till someone dies in their stadium?
Similar to driving a car. Testing, registration, license, etc. Obviously, there'd be consequences for breaking the law. We don't like criminals, right?
But you don’t know who has what firearms. There’s not a federal registry.
You have to drive a car, it’s out in the open. I can have lots of different types of guns in my home that the gov’t doesn’t know about.
So how do you means test me?
Am I trying to hide which side of the debate I'm on?
I still didn't assign blame. I defined the debate...and now you're trolling. It's gotten pretty old brother.
And regardless of which side of the debate you're on, my definition of the debate is still accurate.
You're not blaming the wrong side for trying to create a nanny state where the citizenry is required to depend on big government?
Here, I'll 'define the debate':
One side is dug in trying to protect innocent American lives. The other side is dug in blindly catering to the demands of the greedy gun companies.
It's like any other law. You can break it if you so choose. People drive illegally all the time.
Just don't get caught.
I've just heard "what part of 'shall not be infringed' don't you understand?" so many times I'm a little surprised that you admit the 2nd amendment is open to interpretation.
The Supreme Court's core function is to interpret the US Constitution and US laws. When someone attempts to enforce or restrict a Constitutional right in a way that goes against an existing ruling by the SC, then they are attempting to infringe on our Constitutional rights.
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So the government is going to send an edict out that all gunowners need to report to city hall with every firearm they own, and be prepared for a series of tests to determine if they can keep them?
What does the test look like? What determines if you can have a gun or not?
And is this being run by state or federal authorities?
Just trying to get my head around the logistics.
Of course not.
But cars are required to be registered. State and local governments know where they are and who owns them, and since you can’t put one under your bed they are stickered at tagged to prove it publicly or you can get pulled over.
So how would you remedy this with guns - below are my questions:
So the government is going to send an edict out that all gunowners need to report to city hall with every firearm they own, and be prepared for a series of tests to determine if they can keep them?
What does the test look like? What determines if you can have a gun or not?
And is this being run by state or federal authorities?
Just trying to get my head around the logistics.
People always need to live by the laws but, just because something is law, doesn't mean it's going to be appropriate for all eternity.
I don't understand what you're trying to say. There are illegal cars and drivers on the road, right? Sometimes they get caught....sometimes they don't. If you choose not to follow the law, you risk getting in trouble.
I'd imagine, just like with any other law, they establish a starting date and expect people to comply.
What does the test look like? I dunno.....probably questions and proof of ID. Maybe some physical test. Did you take a test to get your driver's license? Probably something similar.
I think federal is a better idea, in a perfect world, of course. No need for a flaw-ridden mish-mash like we have with voting.
I'm trying to say every new car sold for decades is recorded and required to be registered. The gov't knows what's out there and at the very least what has been purchased by who and when. Cars are usually driven, in full sight of law enforcement and required to be tagged according to registration status.
Guns are nothing like cars. They are small, in most states PP sales do not have to be disclosed, they last longer than cars, and they haven't required registration historically. In most states you're starting from almost zero when it comes to who owns what guns.
So it's not a good analogy, other than the fact that once you make it illegal to own an unregistered gun you're now a criminal. I don't know what that accomplishes, other than creating alot of new criminals.
And how is showing my (assuming I'm a law abiding person to the "T") ID and proving I'm physically capable of operating a firearm going to reduce gun violence and death?
Thankfully, the Constitution and the court system protects us from people that think emotionally about guns.
It would be a totally new system so, obviously, everything would not be in place on day one. At one point, car registration was new too.
No one would be a criminal unless they chose to disobey the law. Speed limits don't create criminals, right?
No matter what we do, if we do anything at all, it's going to take many years to significantly improve the problems with gun violence and death. We are flooded with guns and violent criminals.
That guy is on your side. The fact that you can't see that is equal parts sad and hilarious.Yeah, your side isn't emotional about guns at all. 😂
Not sure I am following this new plan idea of yours. You are saying you want gun owners to voluntarily bring in all their guns and have them checked for legality? IOW, all gun owners have to verify that they aren't engaging in criminal activity?
Answer the question, please.
Not sure I am following this new plan idea of yours. You are saying you want gun owners to voluntarily bring in all their guns and have them checked for legality? IOW, all gun owners have to verify that they aren't engaging in criminal activity?
I'd be fine with that. Most gun owners are capable of being responsible citizens.
I mean, as long as you conduct yourself appropriately, you can continue to bear arms. Isn't that what you all get so emotional about?
The NRA uses people like you to sell more guns. You may not think you are on their side, but they are definitely on yours.
Ok, so you want gun owners to periodically bring in all their guns and prove that they aren't engaging in criminal activity with them.
Do you want car owners to start doing the same thing?
I'm well aware of how the gun companies use the NRA to scare up more business.
Always remember.....the jack-booted thugs are getting ready to kick your door down. You'd better buy more guns FAST!
You have to take your car in to prove you're not engaging in criminal activity? That must be some local or state thing where you live.
So you are ok with the gun industry using you to contribute to what you claim the problem is?
Ok, as long as you are ok with being manipulated.
No, I'm asking if you want that same thing for car owners? You claim you want gun owners to bring in their guns and prove they aren't engaging in criminal activities with them. Do you want car owners to have to bring in their cars and prove they aren't engaging in criminal activities as well? Or just the gun owners?
I didn't claim that. Those are your words.
It shouldn't be that baffling for you. You get a license and register your car, right? So now you get a gun license and register your guns.
About what are you confused?
We already have that, don't we? If I'm driving my car and a cop stops me, I have to show him my license and registration, right? Likewise, if I am carrying a pistol on my hip, a cop can stop me and ask for my permit for that gun, right?
Sounds like we already have what you claim we need.
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