This case have nothing to do with the presidential records act and the jury will never hear about it at trial. It's about the espionage act.
Barr on Hunter and Trump.
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That’s one count.
You’re not very good at this.
You don’t think Trump’s lawyers are going to bring up the PRA in his defense!? 😂😂😂😂
And did you know for the espionage act to apply they have to prove that the other party actually received the info….which the tape doesn’t prove.
Wonder if Trump had video? I guess we’ll find out.
Don’t forget good buddy - the PRA has a civil process outlined for records the archive wants back. The standard of proof in civil cases is much lower, but since this is criminal why don’t you tell the class what the burden of proof is?
Hint: it’s much higher
I mean JFC
Tell me you have no clue without saying “I have no freaking clue”
How many times can you miss the same football?
That's what MSNBC told him. How was he supposed to know otherwise??? Independent research? 😂
Kal….this is why the hoax espionage charges don't apply
read.listen.learn
President Trump had every right to have possession of those documents. And the only statute that applies to Donald Trump on this is the Presidential Records Act 44 U.S.C. Section 2203 Alpha, which specifically says the president and only the president is the one who has authority to make this call,” she told Newsmax.
“I think their case is dead on arrival,” she predicted.
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Trump was on fire tonight and laid the case out that even KAL and MDF’R could understand. I’m not sure about the slow? He was awesome
Ok. I doubt he'll be allowed to mention that. No need to go back and forth. We'll see.
Great speech tonight. But a question for @gatorspeed how was Trump giving that speech? I thought you said he was in jail?
What happened, Charlie Brown? Lucy pull back the football again?
Maybe the NEXT ONE will get him!
Wait what?
Trump's legal team can't even mention the most pertinent statute in his defense? Is this North Korea?
There’s no other word for you Malone just flat dumb, watching that orange filth project lies is like watching a 2 year old throwing a tantrum, but let’s be patient and see if Satans Imp can squirm his way out of jail time bcos trust me that fat turd is scared Sh#%less
You do understand that the judge set what can used as a defense and what can be said? Like a judge can allow if someone's past is allowed to be used. Do you not know how a trail works?
Bro he can’t, he’s just like all Trumpers
Malone you are the Charlie Brown of Trumps Defense LOL take a listen your boy Donnie is dumb as a brick
This is incorrect if you cite precedent. The President has the sole authority in defining what is personal and what is government property. Whatever he takes is personal, whatever he leaves is Presidential records that NARA files and archives. The article below was written by the attorney that lost in the Clinton sock drawer case, where Clinton had almost a decade of interviews, classified phone calls, classified meetings with foreign leaders, etc recorded as well as classified documents and other government-produced materials. He thinks this case is DOA, and he understands the law in this case a lot better than you do.
If Trump deemed it personal when he left office it was personal, full stop.
Judge Amy Berman Jackson agreed: “Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office,” she held, “it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records.”
Judge Jackson added that “the PRA contains no provision obligating or even permitting the Archivist to assume control over records that the President ‘categorized’ and ‘filed separately’ as personal records. At the conclusion of the President’s term, the Archivist only ‘assumes responsibility for the Presidential records.’ . . . PRA does not confer any mandatory or even discretionary authority on the Archivist to classify records. Under the statute, this responsibility is left solely to the President.”
The same is true with Mr. Trump. Although he didn’t keep records in his sock drawer, he gathered newspapers, press clippings, letters, notes, cards, photographs, documents and other materials in cardboard boxes. Then Mr. Trump, like Mr. Clinton, took those boxes with him when he left office. As of noon on Jan. 20, 2021, whatever remained at the White House was presidential records. Whatever was taken by Mr. Trump wasn’t. That was the position of the Justice Department in 2010 and the ruling by Judge Jackson in 2012.
Opinion | Trump’s Boxes and Clinton’s Sock Drawer
A president chooses what records to return or keep and the National Archives can’t do anything about it.
www.wsj.com
I'm not a lawyer.
Since you're so educated on the subject please provide an example where a judge denied the defense use of the most pertinent law or statute in specific case. I'll wait.
Your premise is ludicrous, and wherever you got it should never be trusted again.
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It's amazing how they keep falling for the same hoodwinking over and over again.This is incorrect if you cite precedent. The President has the sole authority in defining what is personal and what is government property. Whatever he takes is personal, whatever he leaves is Presidential records that NARA files and archives. The article below was written by the attorney that lost in the Clinton sock drawer case, where Clinton had almost a decade of interviews, classified phone calls, classified meetings with foreign leaders, etc recorded as well as classified documents and other government-produced materials. He thinks this case is DOA, and he understands the law in this case a lot better than you do.
If Trump deemed it personal when he left office it was personal, full stop.
Judge Amy Berman Jackson agreed: “Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office,” she held, “it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records.”
Judge Jackson added that “the PRA contains no provision obligating or even permitting the Archivist to assume control over records that the President ‘categorized’ and ‘filed separately’ as personal records. At the conclusion of the President’s term, the Archivist only ‘assumes responsibility for the Presidential records.’ . . . PRA does not confer any mandatory or even discretionary authority on the Archivist to classify records. Under the statute, this responsibility is left solely to the President.”
The same is true with Mr. Trump. Although he didn’t keep records in his sock drawer, he gathered newspapers, press clippings, letters, notes, cards, photographs, documents and other materials in cardboard boxes. Then Mr. Trump, like Mr. Clinton, took those boxes with him when he left office. As of noon on Jan. 20, 2021, whatever remained at the White House was presidential records. Whatever was taken by Mr. Trump wasn’t. That was the position of the Justice Department in 2010 and the ruling by Judge Jackson in 2012.
Opinion | Trump’s Boxes and Clinton’s Sock Drawer
A president chooses what records to return or keep and the National Archives can’t do anything about it.
Man, you gotta find new sources.
He never denied having the documents, he correctly cites his right to take whatever he wanted when he left the WH under the PRA.
You have to accept that the charge is valid for what he said to be an admission. I'd turn off MSNBC if you want a more level-headed analysis.
What's ironic is Clinton is their guy.
Your just upset that your now sitting in the losers bracket and you know it
Trumpers were fine with Barr until he stopped kissing their cult leader’s ass. Anyone who criticizes Trump is “Deep State.”
Can you point us toward the cheerleading you did for Barr while he was 'explaining' Mueller's findings to us?
Didn't think so. Same thing with John Bolton or Mike Pompeo, or.....you guys hated them when they supported Trump, you love them now that they don't.
The rest of us just see swamp rats.
He doesn't. He wants to hear that Trump is a criminal who is finally going to jail.
Sadly, lefty media preys on people like him. They sell him the story he wants to hear, and he gladly gobbles it down.
Then when nothing happens, they spin it to DAMMIT THAT CRIMINAL TRUMP GOT OFF AGAIN!!!! WE GOTTA STOP HIM!!!
And the outrage gets turned up for the next lawsuit.
It's a vicious cycle that preys on the slowest.
Trumpers we fine with Barr until they figured out he wasn't who he claimed to be, and discovered he wasn't going to any of the things he'd promised to do.
Imagine that...
You do realize Trump hired him and then fired him, right?
Did Rere ever clarify if he got his first covid shot when Trump told him to get it, or when Biden told him to get it?
It's the same exact shot, it's just that Trump said get it first. And when Trump said to get it, Hiden said don't get it.
Then when Hiden took office, suddenly he said get it.
Same exact shot. Would be curious to know when @gatorspeed got it as well.
Poor ole Malone lol you know your orange baby is in deep doo doo, I would say if he could keep his fat mouth shut he might could weasel out of this, but nah he’s screwed
I’m not a puss and a deranged conspiracy theorist I rolled my sleeves up, does that answer your question? Your lost Malone very lost
“It's the same exact shot, it's just that Trump said get it first. And when Trump said to get it, Hiden said don't get it.
Then when Hiden took office, suddenly he said get it. ”
Had Biden taken office yet, on January 16th 2021, when I said this?
“I’m going elbow old ladies off of their diabeetus scooters to be first in line to get jabbed.”
Post in thread 'Lost 5 COVID19 Patients in 36 Hours'
https://florida.forums.rivals.com/threads/lost-5-covid19-patients-in-36-hours.98594/post-1884410
It happens regularly. You can't use a crazy defense, with no evidence of being crazy. Barr even said that PRA doesn't apply. If the judge says that it doesn't apply, then they can't use it. We shall see
I know this was the right wing matching order but we shall see.This is incorrect if you cite precedent. The President has the sole authority in defining what is personal and what is government property. Whatever he takes is personal, whatever he leaves is Presidential records that NARA files and archives. The article below was written by the attorney that lost in the Clinton sock drawer case, where Clinton had almost a decade of interviews, classified phone calls, classified meetings with foreign leaders, etc recorded as well as classified documents and other government-produced materials. He thinks this case is DOA, and he understands the law in this case a lot better than you do.
If Trump deemed it personal when he left office it was personal, full stop.
Judge Amy Berman Jackson agreed: “Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office,” she held, “it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records.”
Judge Jackson added that “the PRA contains no provision obligating or even permitting the Archivist to assume control over records that the President ‘categorized’ and ‘filed separately’ as personal records. At the conclusion of the President’s term, the Archivist only ‘assumes responsibility for the Presidential records.’ . . . PRA does not confer any mandatory or even discretionary authority on the Archivist to classify records. Under the statute, this responsibility is left solely to the President.”
The same is true with Mr. Trump. Although he didn’t keep records in his sock drawer, he gathered newspapers, press clippings, letters, notes, cards, photographs, documents and other materials in cardboard boxes. Then Mr. Trump, like Mr. Clinton, took those boxes with him when he left office. As of noon on Jan. 20, 2021, whatever remained at the White House was presidential records. Whatever was taken by Mr. Trump wasn’t. That was the position of the Justice Department in 2010 and the ruling by Judge Jackson in 2012.
Opinion | Trump’s Boxes and Clinton’s Sock Drawer
A president chooses what records to return or keep and the National Archives can’t do anything about it.
That was a month after Hiden had already gotten the shot:
Would you have gotten the shot if Trump said get it and Hiden said no?
This should be simple enough for Fatman also
If the judge denies Trump a credible defense, then he opens the case for getting tossed on appeal.
Goodness.
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