Anyone following what is happening at Mizzou?

[Uniformed_ReRe]

I'm still a little hazy on what exactly the protests were about.

I've read about someone yelling a racist epithet from a pickup truck, as well a poo poo swastika incident. How do you separate those two incidents from actual students and the the community at-large? Why is the school president being protested instead of the local government? Shouldn't these issues fall into their laps instead? Is the president of a university now the ruler of a city state, where he must govern all aspects of culture and life?

 

[NavigatorII]

This!! You know it had to be something going on that was serious if the players took this stance. The students had the support of the faculty, the AD, the head football coach and 30plus players. This was a culture that was deeply rooted and apparently not addressed by the president.

What was he supposed to do?

"A culture that was deeply rooted and apparently not addressed by the president."

That made me chuckle. It's Obama's fault he knows Chicago has the highest gun crime and fatalities in the nation yet he has done nothing/never DID anything regarding enforcement in kind regarding a city with some of the most stringent gun control measures in the entire nation. That includes when he was a senator. See how this works?

 

[djegators]

I don't think this was an isolated occurrence of someone just saying something insensitive. This strikes me as a knowingly unsafe environment in which minorities were discriminated against and marginalized.

Guess I missed all of that...

 

[danoleman]

What was he supposed to do?

"A culture that was deeply rooted and apparently not addressed by the president."

That made me chuckle. It's Obama's fault he knows Chicago has the highest gun crime and fatalities in the nation yet he has done nothing/never DID anything regarding enforcement in kind regarding a city with some of the most stringent gun control measures in the entire nation. That includes when he was a senator. See how this works?

No I don't see how it's works because that is a ridiculous comparison. If on campus there was a issue of widespread sexual harassment that the president of the University ignores. Do you expect there not to be consequences?? Apparently the people that were there says he knew about widespread racism on campus and did nothing. Simply addressing the issues would have gone a long way. But to act like it didn't exist is what cost him his job. Again, the students had the support of the faculty, the AD, the head coach and the players. Doesn't that tell you something widespread was going on??

 

[Rushie]

I've at least been on the Mizzou campus....know/have worked with alumni....and a former grad student is a close friend of the family. NONE have ever given an indication of that being the environment at Mizzou......so I do not accept the premise there was/is widespread racism.

But for the sake of argument, let's accept that as is but also consider that an overwhelming % of college-age people are left-leaning in their political views. An equal or greater % of the faculty and administration would be as well. So by that token, the very people who claim the GOP/conservatives are racists (and waging a war on women) are the ones actually creating and perpetuating these hostile environments. For crying out loud, many of the students and faculty would not let a conservative speaker set foot on campus.

 

[Glochid]

Wow mob justice prevails and the man whose career was ruined is the one left apologizing. I hope the day is soon approaching when the majority becomes as vocal as the minority.

 

[CompuGator]

Without knowing the full details, [....]

Uh. huh. Do you have any sources or experience that enable you to evaluate any details at all?

[...] it's hard to believe that so many would support the students if there was were not really something systematic going on.

Really, now? Can I assume that you've failed to learn anything in recent years from the unethical collusion of the "mainstream" news media with grievance mongers promoting their own selfish interests, which required concerted naysaying of any leaks of inconvenient truths? It's hard to believe that you could've missed the most recent major effort applying that plan in Florida, in which the grievance mongers were h@ll-bent on fanning the flames of the smoke-screen that was created to cover the burglarizing and after-school brawling of the golden-grill-intensive yet purportedly "innocent child" Trayvon Martin?

We shall see.

Nonsense! I have no doubt that you'll eagerly cover your eyes to avoid seeing any plain truth that's contrary to your uncritical preconceived biases.

 

[danoleman]

Uh. huh. Do you have any sources or experience that enable you to evaluate any details at all?


Really, now? Can I assume that you've failed to learn anything in recent years from the unethical collusion of the "mainstream" news media with grievance mongers promoting their own selfish interests, which required concerted naysaying of any leaks of inconvenient truths? It's hard to believe that you could've missed the most recent major effort applying that plan in Florida, in which the grievance mongers were h@ll-bent on fanning the flames of the smoke-screen that was created to cover the burglarizing and after-school brawling of the golden-grill-intensive yet purportedly "innocent child" Trayvon Martin?

Nonsense! I have no doubt that you'll eagerly cover your eyes to avoid seeing any plain truth that's contrary to your uncritical preconceived biases.

Lmao! What in the hell does Trayvon Martin have do with this?? Stay on subject. What people at that University have done is joined together black and white, old and young to take a stand against this. When you have faculty, students, coaches and the AD all on the same side that should tell you something.

 

[danoleman]

And look at this picture and the caption, this is not just a bunch of Black people making noise or complaining. These are Black and White people joined together for a single cause.

 

[Rushie]

And neither were the BLM protests in the St. Louis area following grand jury decision not to indict Wilson. Black and white, young and old. But that did not change the fact that they were, at least in part, perpetuating the myth that Brown had his hands up and/or was running away. Yes, they were united for a cause......but a cause built upon a lie.

 

[Rushie]

Again, the students had the support of the faculty, the AD, the head coach and the players. Doesn't that tell you something widespread was going on??

Yes.......groupthink.

 

[djegators]

And neither were the BLM protests in the St. Louis area following grand jury decision not to indict Wilson. Black and white, young and old. But that did not change the fact that they were, at least in part, perpetuating the myth that Brown had his hands up and/or was running away. Yes, they were united for a cause......but a cause built upon a lie.

Yup, and every time Obama or anyone invokes "Ferguson" as a meme, they are liars and encouraging racial divide.

 

[danoleman]

And neither were the BLM protests in the St. Louis area following grand jury decision not to indict Wilson. Black and white, young and old. But that did not change the fact that they were, at least in part, perpetuating the myth that Brown had his hands up and/or was running away. Yes, they were united for a cause......but a cause built upon a lie.

One guy brought up Trayvon Martin, you decide to bring up BLM and Mike Brown. Neither have anything to do with what happened at Missouri. Faculty, coaches, students and players are all United on this. Keep grasping though.

 

[ifuaintagatorumustbegatorbait]

I think anyone of any race....yellow, brown, white or black whom blames any person, group or a particular current event for supposed racial divide; probably leans towards that line of thought from the onset.

NO event of any kind....or the President for that matter can cause me to feel racially divided from my friends or employees of color. It seems that all to often someone is trying to pawn their racial insecurities off on someone else, (ie mass media, President, protesters, blah, blah, blah) instead of looking in the mirror.

 

[Rushie]

If you cant, or wont, see what is staring you in the face, so be it.

 

[goldmom]

glad to see this discussed. So Mizzou has been admitting blacks since 1950 - 65 freaking years - but it's a racist place where people smear poop that looks like a swastika on a wall and it's definitely about racism. Are Jewish folk up in arms?
Supposedly someone drove by and shouted a slur. How convenient.
The list of "demands" is not to be believed.
Line up and confess to white privilege y'all. Best get ready. Crackers goin' down.
Where's Evil Wayz. I wanna move next door and help him reload when the shootin' starts.

 

[Rushie]

One guy brought up Trayvon Martin, you decide to bring up BLM and Mike Brown. Neither have anything to do with what happened at Missouri. Faculty, coaches, students and players are all United on this. Keep grasping though.

Actually, adjunct professor Carl Kenney and Mizzou students already brought up Michael Brown. But please, continue with your disinformation.

 

[keyzer soze]

One guy brought up Trayvon Martin, you decide to bring up BLM and Mike Brown. Neither have anything to do with what happened at Missouri. Faculty, coaches, students and players are all United on this. Keep grasping though.

You are truly an idiot. You argue this the same way you do football. You are on the wrong side of every single argument aren't you? Do you just like being contrarian or do you really believe the things you say?
Rushie isn't grasping, he's being far more reasonable about this than I, for one, would be. In the real world, where people like me go to work and make the money that pays for EVERYTHING, leaders can't capitulate to crap like this. This will inevitably lead to more bad behavior.
Leftists, like you apparently, and those academics at Mizzou don't understand that I guess.

 

[EvilWayz]

Where's Evil Wayz. I wanna move next door and help him reload when the shootin' starts.

Right here Darlin'. And I don't own slippers.

 

[djegators]

Must be someone on my ignore list making stupid arguments on this thread....or y'all have gone random

 

[keyzer soze]

Must be someone on my ignore list making stupid arguments on this thread....or y'all have gone random

Danoleman?

 

[GatorGray]

I wanna move next door and help him reload when the shootin' starts.

EW can reload on his own. What he will need is some soldiers' comforts.

 

[danoleman]

You are truly an idiot. You argue this the same way you do football. You are on the wrong side of every single argument aren't you? Do you just like being contrarian or do you really believe the things you say?
Rushie isn't grasping, he's being far more reasonable about this than I, for one, would be. In the real world, where people like me go to work and make the money that pays for EVERYTHING, leaders can't capitulate to crap like this. This will inevitably lead to more bad behavior.
Leftists, like you apparently, and those academics at Mizzou don't understand that I guess.

Smh. I'm done

 

[keyzer soze]

Smh. I'm done

What do you do for a living? Do you live in the south? Just curious, not judging. Trying to understand your point of view because it's unfathomable to me

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

The Sentinel chimes in:

Missouri drama sets a scary precedent

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/spor...tests-david-whitley-1110-20151109-column.html

 

[gatorRAD]

At one of my properties, my employees have been called Yabba Dabba Doo M-Fers, referring to the "White" Fred Flintstone. To this day we use it on ourselves and lol about those moments. We NEVER asked for the property manager to lose her job or ever blamed anyone else except the racist blacks that said those words about the hard working ALL WHITE CREW that came to the property that I was contracted to improve. I don't care what anyone says here, but it is a fact to even a blind and deaf man now that the RACE CARD is out in full force!

 

[danoleman]

What do you do for a living? Do you live in the south? Just curious, not judging. Trying to understand your point of view because it's unfathomable to me

Been in the South all my life and I work in IT as a Network Admin. I'm Black and I have seen racism up close and personal and so have my parents, who both graduated high school in the 60's. This stuff exist and you cannot go through life pretending like it doesn't happen, or people who complain are the problem. The world is moving forward and there is a certain element that think the rules of the 50's and 60's still exist. No student want to go through that crap on campus. We don't know all of the details about what happened and I'm not going to pretend I do, but whatever it was it made Black and White, faculty and students come together to get this president out of office. That alone speaks volumes.

 

[gatorRAD]

Been in the South all my life and I work in IT as a Network Admin. I'm Black and I have seen racism up close and personal and so have my parents, who both graduated high school in the 60's. This stuff exist and you cannot go through life pretending like it doesn't happen, or people who complain are the problem. The world is moving forward and there is a certain element that think the rules of the 50's and 60's still exist. No student want to go through that crap on campus. We don't know all of the details about what happened and I'm not going to pretend I do, but whatever it was it made Black and White, faculty and students come together to get this president out of office. That alone speaks volumes.

If there was that much "crap" happening on campus then there would've been sufficient cell phone video I'm sure!

 

[keyzer soze]

Been in the South all my life and I work in IT as a Network Admin. I'm Black and I have seen racism up close and personal and so have my parents, who both graduated high school in the 60's. This stuff exist and you cannot go through life pretending like it doesn't happen, or people who complain are the problem. The world is moving forward and there is a certain element that think the rules of the 50's and 60's still exist. No student want to go through that crap on campus. We don't know all of the details about what happened and I'm not going to pretend I do, but whatever it was it made Black and White, faculty and students come together to get this president out of office. That alone speaks volumes.

Ok. Real talk, no smack.
Our country has a checkered past in terms of racial injustice. It didn't start or end with the black population but they surely had the worst of it and maybe for the longest. But you have to understand that we can't move past racism unless both parties decide to move on. An ignorant bigot doing or saying something stupid can't be allowed to undermine progress.
At the university of Missouri all students have been afforded, BY LAW, an equal opportunity at an education. Many would argue that the deck has been stacked in favor of minorities in regards to admissions and financial aid. I'm admittedly not a fan of affirmative action. I see it as part of the problem. How can races be equal when our government and our society keep setting them apart?
That being said, the demonstrators are the root of the problem. They are feeding off recent events and are propagating racial discord. If Mizzou gives in to them today then where will a similar group protest tomorrow? Where will it end? And before you say that maybe these Missouri students had grounds for protest, let me remind you of this. The world is not a fair place, it's full of bad people and bad breaks. Our young people shouldn't be going to college to learn that their discomforts can be remedied in this fashion. They should be learning to deal with the realities of life and the value of doing what's right and not depending on someone else to come to their rescue when they have a problem.
Just saying

 

[danoleman]

Ok. Real talk, no smack.
Our country has a checkered past in terms of racial injustice. It didn't start or end with the black population but they surely had the worst of it and maybe for the longest. But you have to understand that we can't move past racism unless both parties decide to move on. An ignorant bigot doing or saying something stupid can't be allowed to undermine progress.
At the university of Missouri all students have been afforded, BY LAW, an equal opportunity at an education. Many would argue that the deck has been stacked in favor of minorities in regards to admissions and financial aid. I'm admittedly not a fan of affirmative action. I see it as part of the problem. How can races be equal when our government and our society keep setting them apart?
That being said, the demonstrators are the root of the problem. They are feeding off recent events and are propagating racial discord. If Mizzou gives in to them today then where will a similar group protest tomorrow? Where will it end? And before you say that maybe these Missouri students had grounds for protest, let me remind you of this. The world is not a fair place, it's full of bad people and bad breaks. Our young people shouldn't be going to college to learn that their discomforts can be remedied in this fashion. They should be learning to deal with the realities of life and the value of doing what's right and not depending on someone else to come to their rescue when they have a problem.
Just saying

I agree with the top part of your post but I disagree with the bottom. The demonstrators are not the problem, the actions that were allowed to go on breeded these demonstrators, they didn't just fall from the sky. Again, this is not the BLM movement. These are students, faculty, staff, players, coaches and the Athletic Director all on the same page. That has got to scream of a systematic issues that has been there for a while. I think the lesson to be learned from this is when your faculty and students are telling you there is a problem, you better not ignore it.

 

[Rushie]

There were a lot of students, faculty, etc coming together at UVa last year in response to a report about a violent gang rape too. We saw how that ended.

 

[keyzer soze]

I agree with the top part of your post but I disagree with the bottom. The demonstrators are not the problem, the actions that were allowed to go on breeded these demonstrators, they didn't just fall from the sky. Again, this is not the BLM movement. These are students, faculty, staff, players, coaches and the Athletic Director all on the same page. That has got to scream of a systematic issues that has been there for a while. I think the lesson to be learned from this is when your faculty and students are telling you there is a problem, you better not ignore it.

Ok. Let's say there is in fact a systemic problem. Is protesting and hunger striking and boycotting athletics the way to handle it? Is publishing a list of "demands" acceptable? Why have we not heard about any of this before now? Did they already exhaust all the normal and sanctioned avenues for their complaints?
Just look around, there is one protest or another every week it seems. Always crying about some injustice. If there is any hint of racism, real or contrived, then the protesters have free reign to act afool. It seems that any left leaning liberal (which colleges are full of) of any ethnicity latches on and chimes in. It's just the reality of the current political climate.
In the real world we don't have the luxury of playing politics. We don't have the ability to "demand" anything. If the university steps in and does what they want, it will cost money. Guess who pays for it. If our government steps in and pacifies these groups, guess who pays for it. No free lunches. The WORLD IS NOT A FAIR PLACE. It's not even a friendly place. And our government nor any amount of protesting can make it so.
Bottom line is this. I'm white, you're black. I honestly and truly see you as an equal..... As long as you act like one. Don't whine every time something doesn't go your way. Don't expect what you haven't earned. You do that and I'll be your biggest supporter when you need me and it won't matter what color you are.

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

I'm basically suspending judgement until I hear more about these systematic race issues. So far, I've only heard of a couple of isolated incidents that really can't be pinned entirely on one guy. Maybe there is more that I don't know about.

I do agree that if the faculty and coach turned on the president, he was ineffective as a leader. I just wonder how much of this was due to the systemic racism and how much of this was due to him being a cost-cutting bean counter who made a lot of enemies in the faculty. It wouldn't surprise me if some of them seized an opportunity to get rid of an enemy for reasons that largely unrelated to the racial controversy.

 

[TheMac03]

I agree with the top part of your post but I disagree with the bottom. The demonstrators are not the problem, the actions that were allowed to go on breeded these demonstrators, they didn't just fall from the sky. Again, this is not the BLM movement. These are students, faculty, staff, players, coaches and the Athletic Director all on the same page. That has got to scream of a systematic issues that has been there for a while. I think the lesson to be learned from this is when your faculty and students are telling you there is a problem, you better not ignore it.

Why is it people are so sensitive these days? Maybe it's just me, but if everybody stopped worrying about who is saying what and did something to change the perception, then this world would be a much better place. This guy loses his job today because some people decided to make some noise. Quite frankly I'm tired of the double standard we live in. Whatever happened to freedom of speech? What happened to minding your own business?

Missouri continues to be a problem and nobody has the right to corner me and push their agenda especially on my time. Slavery is over, racism still exists, not all white people are bad, get over it. When I see people getting jobs they don't deserve based on "quotas" (in this case, demands) that's what really pisses me off. I don't care what color you are, don't ask for something you didn't deserve. If I were Pinkel, I would cut every single one of those football kids if they didn't show up for practice. Kids need to know if you don't show up for work in the real world, your ass is toast. Get ready for more and more of this type of behavior going forward.

 

[ifuaintagatorumustbegatorbait]

"you better not ignore it."

I think this sums it up for me. This whole mess could have possibly been avoided if the fella would have even attempted too pretend he gave a damn. He didn't even do that. Those complaints of racism (even if untrue or imbellished) were far to serious just to ignore. He chose to take the route of the ostrich, so he had to go. Mr. Wolfe basically fired himself.

You have to be cognizant of your surroundings when you are given a position of authority. He may have even excelled at the pencil pushing aspect of his job. He may have even been well liked, but obvious to most observers at the university and in hindsight for some I'm sure; he was likely lacking in another crucial area.
That said area being public relations.

I will never understand the retroactive mea culpa that these morons in positions of power give to try and save their asses. Do they not understand how phony and contrived they appear to most. We live in a completely different era where you can't just blatantly lie about or be shamelessly dismissive of another person's grievances.

I applaud the athletes who took a stand for something they believe in. In this day and age of the spoiled and entitled athlete, who seems to only care about his or her next big contract; or who caves in to peer pressure like the cowards that they are.Those athletes whom say nothing political or controversial for fear of offending some idiot in his mother's basement who maybe won't buy their jersey or sneakers if he or she speaks out about injustice and inequality! Kudos to the football team for their non violent rebellious stand. This great country of ours was built on rebellion. Just ask Ole King George and those damn red coats.

I always taught my children when they were formidable to treat racism like the plague, and that it wouldn't be tolerated even remotely in my presence or under my roof. Now that they're adults I really hope my direction helped to keep bigotry out of their hearts, and from my interactions with them as men; I think I was successful. Hopefully we can all learn from this, and remember that being silent towards hate of any kind is completely unacceptable in a civilized society. IMHO (officially done)

P.S. I can't believe Pass didn't move this to the Lounge!

 

[alaskanseminole]

And look at this picture and the caption, this is not just a bunch of Black people making noise or complaining. These are Black and White people joined together for a single cause.

I have to wonder how many in that crowd even know why there are there. Sheep. smh

 

[keyzer soze]

I have to wonder how many in that crowd even know why there are there. Sheep. smh

Truth

 

[danoleman]

I have to wonder how many in that crowd even know why there are there. Sheep. smh

So you're saying the people that attend, work for, plays sports for that University and is on campus everyday, have no idea what going on?? And you're calling them the sheep.....Interesting

 

[oozie7]

Been reading up some more on this, and it seems to be all political to me. One of the dude's demands dealt with planned parenthood being able to be active on campus, like really??? Apparently the president had pissed off numerous professors and admins at the school and they wanted him out. If you read all the details surrounding, none if it makes sense from the protestors perspective. Like the Swastika thing, the guy who did it was apparently arrested weeks ago. These students seem to be pawns in a game and don't even know it. Guess that's what happen when you get stuck on the thought plantation.

 

[alaskanseminole]

So you're saying the people that attend, work for, plays sports for that University and is on campus everyday, have no idea what going on?? And you're calling them the sheep.....Interesting

Yup.

Tends to be the case in many of these situations. People LOVE a reason to get worked up and "be a part of something." All it takes is a few to get things started.

Now, I'm not saying in this case there isn't an issue, I'm simply stating there's likely a large portion that have little knowledge of any significant details...just picked up on a few "buzz" words and joined in. It's the mob mentality that is sweeping our nation and its vehicle is social media.