Actually - she is a perfect foil to expose how corrupt the Repbublican leadership has become.
....and this is where Trump falls off....
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I agree with the Overton Window and Elon's diagram.
I was a center right/center left (depending on issue) 10-15 years ago. Some would say I am MAGA right now with the exception of Abortion (no need to go into it here) and perhaps LGBTQ+ decisions for adults. (for Parents, I am nearly in line with DeSantis and the right). Trump today and Obama on the stump in 2008 are not that far apart.
I also have come to agree on appeasement, although that may mean, given on the issue, different things. I think - and this is your alcholism point, the "appeasement" even on the left around, "meth clinics, stealing lower amounts, no cash bail, etc. has led us to this point."
I find no reason to be proactively mean spirited, unempathetic, etc. I try to find the inner dignity of people until they consistently show me otherwise. Trump often does it as a defensive mechanism, but like in football, the refs catch the second punch not the first one.
To your last point, you have to stop the influx and demographic/cultural change, get to a rebaseline and then through carrot and stick, highlight the value of hard work, family, entrepeneurship, etc. Like Vivek or hate him, that is what he did and has been successful. It is why Asians and Jews are very successful here. Yes, there is an IQ component, but there is also just hard work.
It’s not about being mean spirited. It’s about dealing with evil the ONLY way it can be dealt with effectively. sometimes you have to overturn the tables and chase people out of the sanctuary with whips. WWJD.
When things and people are corrupt, there is not a way to be nice about taking them out of the sanctuary. What we have to reflect on, is when there is evil, it must be dealt with harshly. You don’t pet a rabid dog, and treat it nicely. You take it out. Simple as that.
We are in a spiritual battle. Whether you accept that or not, isn’t relevant. It is what it is.
To many voters, a lot of is is about being mean spirited. That should be obvious. You're just willing to overlook it because Trump is your candidate.
You can be emotional if you want. Your choice. I am not overlooking anything. Quite the opposite actually. I am looking at it directly, and approving of how evil is being dealt with. Don’t get it twisted, I am not unapologetic, I am in agreement with it.
What minions?
And Trump has gone after every single person running against him on both sides. Why does it trigger you that Haley is on that list?
Politics are harsh, I'm not sure you're cut out for it.
The dems cast milquetoast Romney as an animal abusive, male chauvinist (remember the "binders full of women"?) cutthroat investment capitalist who ruined lives. Likened him to a villian in a Batman movie...and the guy isn't even a Conservative. And you know what? It worked, Romney got killed.
I don't think Trump has said anything as mean or untrue as that about his opponents.
Do you wake up every day and try to be on the wrong side of every issue?
Nobody is scared of Nikki Hailey, she's not even pretending not be a RINO.
I've been attacking her and DeSantis on their utter lack of understanding of the Constitution, not because I'm scared they will unseat Trump as the nominee.
Educate me then. What did he say that was even close to as bad as accusing someone of intentionally hurting dogs, being misogynist and/or ruining people's lives?
If you'd just learn how to be nicer, Trump would win easily.
Feigned ignorance. Running the Kalim playbook are we?
Without Kalim’s extensive research he gets from CNN.
I agree, me thinks he’s trying to be deliberately provocative, aka playing the devils advocate.
I don’t he gets his kicks from Route 66.
I'm unaware of anyone accusing anyone of abusing dogs. I'm not on twitter so maybe that's why.
It happened during Romney's campaign, which I made pretty clear in post #127.
Got it!
Dems are shitheads. That doesn't mean it's OK for my candidate to be a shithead.
In my opinion there was no dirty campaign trick lower than the false Russian dossier created by Hilliary on Trump. These Dems have always felt like and acted like they are above the law.
It's politics. Things get nasty.
I think much nastier things happen all of the time than calling someone a modified version of "nimrod".
Here's what has you so upset:
“Anyone listening to Nikki ‘Nimrada’ Haley’s wacked out speech last night, would think that she won the Iowa Primary. She didn’t, and she couldn’t even beat a very flawed Ron DeSanctimonious, who’s out of money, and out of hope,” Trump posted on Truth Social.
1) Calls here a modified version of Nimrod
2) Said her speech was "wacked out" because she acted like she was second ("it's now a two man race")
3) Takes a shot at DeSantis' fundraising efforts
I'm failing to see how this is so mean and terrible. I guess his tone is abrasive and harsh?
Reid lying about Romney's taxes was also a low blow, but you're making a good point...they throw precedence out the window when Trump is involved.
Then he calls someone a name and the snowflake crowd melts...
They basically are saying they may choose the guy that opened the borders, has 9% inflation, let’s Iran push us around, surrendered Afghanistan and left billions in weapons and is DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for the death of 13 of our brave military, using the DOJ for election interference, etc because Trumps a meanie. What little wimps.
They are dumber than a box of rocks then, because if they could, they would make 7-10 million a year.
Yep. The Awww shucks Romney and Mccain approach works much better.
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I get it...however unless these people are making HUGE money coaching somewhere because of their talent coaching big boy football...., I do not put any stock in to their opinion. I listen to people like KC, Heisman, BBlake and SGUN. They are VERY close to the program, and do this for a living. Now I am NOT saying he will work out, because EVERYONE has o have doubts...I just think it is quite unproductive to post things on the boards about how our staff sucks...for the recruits and their parents to read. In other words...I choose not to be part of the prob,em.
Allegedly he tried to hire Charlie Cheeseburger's kid as an OC, so maybe he's not as dumb as he looks.
We'll see. Frankly, Id be happy to coach us to a losing record for half what he makes.
No Trumper, at all, is frightened of her. My original point is that was that he has this in the bag. Punching down, makes little sense.
If DeSantis had a clue of sanity, he would get out of the race, let Trump win by 60 points in Halley's own state, and then focus on the ground game and getting out the vote, especially in Swing States.
Theo - you are making difference points, but the nuance is important.
The board is right in that Trump's aggressive "posture" is what makes him one of the best politicians that we have seen. He is very different from Reagan, but similar in that way. Tell him to "moderate it" and you lose what is special about him. It is a bit like (as this is a football board), "the prevent defense only prevents you from winning".
My point is that Trump's only issue is when he is undisciplined. On Nikki, he is going to trounce her even in NH. Even if he didn't, who cares. Trump does not need NH. It went +7 Biden. It has 4 electoral votes.
Now, people, to a fault defend his lack of discipline at points, but that is a COMPLETELY difference discussion from taking an aggressive posture.
The football analogy is that blitzing and putting pressure on is being "aggressive". Good. Marco Wilson through the shoe in 2020 against LSU - undisciplined. The play was done. Here, Nikki is done. Move on.
Why won't I vote for Nikki? Similar to the issue on SS above, will she change her mind on shutting down the border when her donors want cheap labor or nannies to care for their kids when they go to Soul Cycle? I have seen no demonstrated ability from her to stay consistent and principled.
As everyone knows, it ALL starts on the border for me. Fail that and you are done. Lose trust and you are done.
You can be an aggressive leader without calling your opponents names.
Yes, Trumpers eat it up but it repels people who aren't Trumpers. Trump is going to get the Trumper vote. He needs other votes too.
There’s zero evidence of that, especially in this cycle
To an extent, that is true. Suburban women are the key demographic where they should vote for him but don’t.
Abortion has as much do (if not far more) with that as does his style.
Your belief is that suburban women aren't all that put off by Trump's behavior?
