Hopefully McElwain being here can really help the offense out but I didn't like the OC hire at all.
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I give MCE the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise, but I will say that one of the criticisms of Muschamp was that he was trying to install the 'Bama offense at a time when the best SEC offenses, including 'Bama's, were spreading people out. I came around to be pretty enthusiastic about the MCE hire, but I didn't like the Nuss hire.
I do fully understand your point. But when Bama was moving away from the Muschamp love Bama offense and spreading it out...Nuss had a hand in that as did McE.
So if Bama was changing they were changing with two coaches on our staff. One of which you don't like.
What? When Mac was at Bama was when they were ultra-conservative. And Nuss was encouraged to look for work BECAUSE Saban wanted to move to an uptempo, spread out offense which is why he brought Kiffin in.
So, no.
A quick review shows Nuss ran the ball 63%, 56% and 57% of the time his last 3 years as OC.
I think it's safe to say most weren't enamoured with the Nuss hire. We are left to hope that Mac plays a role in keeping the offense unpredictable and hopefully effective. Sadly, I'm actually excited at the possibility that our offense may be merely competent, as that will be a signifigant improvement.
What? When Mac was at Bama was when they were ultra-conservative. And Nuss was encouraged to look for work BECAUSE Saban wanted to move to an uptempo, spread out offense which is why he brought Kiffin in.
So, no.
All of that is well documented here. Many times.
For 3 years I have read one of the biggest knocks on Muschamp was his meddling. That I totally agree with you on...however some stuff some of you all talk circles and chase your own tail.
-Years ago folks (myself included) hated how Muschamp wanted to be a ground and pound Line of Scrimmage team. How wanted to be a Bama type team.
-Couple of years before Kiff was even thought of being an OC at Bama folks on here and other forums were talking about how Bama were getting away from the traditional power game and spreading the ball around more. I remember reading those type statements in 2013 and 2014.
-So who was around when Bama was getting away from the typical Bama? It wasn't Kiffin. He has only coached at Bama for one season.
-Who is the most successful QB in modern day Bama times? AJ McCarron.
-What two OCs did McCarron enjoy his success under? Lane Kiffin? Hell no.
-Please don't get on here and acting like Lane damn Kiffin is the hero of Bama's offensive success.
-Bama choked last year in the playoffs correct? Lane was the OC.
-When Bama choked in 2014 it wasn't the offense. It was a fluke play Auburn pulled out of their rear end. Besides being a fluke play some blame Saban for calling for that kick, as well as not having any speed on the field to defend the return of the missed FG.
-Muss should take zero blame for Bama choking that year
-Kiff should take some blame for Bama choking last year.
Bama's offense choke against OSU last year? Didn't they score 35 in that game?
Lane Kiffin's offense last year was light years better than Nuss or Mac's ever was at Bama, period. And that was with a first year QB.
Just an FYI but the most TD passes ever thrown by the starting QB in a single year at Alabama happened when Nuss was the OC at Bama (2012). McCarron threw 30 TDs in 2012 and 28 TDs in 2013. The highest QB rating in a single season in Alabama history also happened with Nussmeir as Bama's OC (2012).
Yeah, got that. Who's record did they break? Brody Croyle? John Parker Wilson? or was it one of the the prehistoric era Bama QBs before them?
I'm just saying. The Alabama program has been pretty successful. All this talk about how conservative Nuss is yet his QB threw more TD passes and a better QB rating than even under Kiffin's offense at Bama.
The Alabama program wasn't put on the map by Steve Spurrier and high powered offense. The bar is there, if you aren't going to score in bunches you best win, and win damn near every game. Zook and Chump were under fire early because their offenses sucked. Chump went 11-2 and faced fire. Meyer caught hell in 2010 with 2 NCs and consecutive 13-1 seasons because his offense sucked. To think UF fans are going to sit and watch 8-4 seasons of '3 yards and a punt' is flat out wrong. Fair or not, Spurrier set a bar, no one, as has been proven, is lowering it.
I get it, but not even Spurrier himself as really put too many good offenses on the field at South Carolina. UF fans wouldn't be happy with scoring 40 points a game and finishing 8-4 either.
Happy, no. More patient, yes. If we have an unproductive offense this year the clamoring will begin, you know it and I know it. Is what it is, and no one is going to change it.
Mac is in an odd position. If Foley chooses to step down or move on in the next couple years, Mac has to endear himself quickly or he will fall prey to a new AD wanting his guy.
Jesus people...give the man at least a full season and recruiting class before you start to judge.
At the time the thread was made...
This is the key phrase. Lot of recruiting has been done since then, both to help this year and for 2016. So GN79's admonition is a good one.
I think this post demonstrates a bit of a logical flaw.Not really, it's after the fact. It would be more appropriate if someone made a thread now questioning recruiting. At the time, any worries were completely legitimate. Because we're doing better now doesn't mean the worries then were any less on target.
I do not expect to see much positive movement on either count until at least midseason. Put an offense that is demonstrably more competent and productive on the field than Muschampball and we'll generate more interest with those recruits.The fact remains that to this point....
1. UF is not among the favorites for many of the top players in the state if Florida
2. UF continues to struggle to attract top offensive skill position players
I do not expect to see much positive movement on either count until at least midseason. Put an offense that is demonstrably more competent and productive on the field than Muschampball and we'll generate more interest with those recruits.
The Alabama program wasn't put on the map by Steve Spurrier and high powered offense. The bar is there, if you aren't going to score in bunches you best win, and win damn near every game. Zook and Chump were under fire early because their offenses sucked. Chump went 11-2 and faced fire. Meyer caught hell in 2010 with 2 NCs and consecutive 13-1 seasons because his offense sucked. To think UF fans are going to sit and watch 8-4 seasons of '3 yards and a punt' is flat out wrong. Fair or not, Spurrier set a bar, no one, as has been proven, is lowering it.
I'm just saying. The Alabama program has been pretty successful. All this talk about how conservative Nuss is yet his QB threw more TD passes and a better QB rating than even under Kiffin's offense at Bama.
Scoring points, especially in '03 &'04 wasn't so much a problem as lack of discipline and late-game meltdowns. We were leading late in the 4th in 3 of the 4 regular season losses in '03.I just remember Zook's offenses being frustrating usually getting some yards but not scoring that great. I think we did score decent in his last year however.
Alabama's wide receivers lined up in 3 point stances until what, 1997? And Kiffin's offense was better, sorry. TD passes and QB rating are not the only factors to consider when comparing offenses. There's a reason why the best coach in college football shipped Nuss off to Michigan
BINGO!Scoring offense is what matters and the 2 best years at Alabama since 2008 were the 2 years that Nussmeier was the OC
Scoring offense is what matters and the 2 best years at Alabama since 2008 were the 2 years that Nussmeier was the OC
Yet no major offers? Its odd.
I think it was due to Bama just having such a great O line and a high talent level. They would get wide open guys on many of those play action passes those years due to that running game being so great because of that O line. They weren't running anything creative I remember. I just hope McElwain keeps him in check and is running a lot of it because it looked like Muschamp's mess at Michigan this past season when he had a talent deficit like he is probably looking at here the first season..
I do not expect to see much positive movement on either count until at least midseason. Put an offense that is demonstrably more competent and productive on the field than Muschampball and we'll generate more interest with those recruits.