Winston Leaves, 4-Loss Fisher Returns
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Pretty sure the answer is 2. NC State in 2012, UVA in 2011. Both by a point. Saban has lost at least 5 times as a double digit favorite in the same time period.
I think Clemson is pretty solid. They have a much better QB than FSU. And much better receivers and OL. Cook is much better than Gallman.
The Clemson defense is a lot better than the one FSU has to offer.
Will Clemson win the NC? I do not think so. But it could happen
If he has a 10-1 record against his "rivals" then where did the other 14 losses come from?
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Disagree about the Clemson defense being much better. Just as Jacoby Brisset if he's out of the ice bath yet.
Let me ask you again; are you seriously arguing that Fisher is comparable with Saban?
My goodness. Are you serious? Clemson defense is ranked #7 nationally in yardage allowed. FSU's defense is ranked 25. Yea, they are much better.
Your metric pal. A guy that has 5 straight number one classes should technically never lose a game.
Why the quotes around rivals? Are you saying that UF and Miami are not FSU's rivals?
Oh and Fisher hasn't lost 15 times. He's 66-13 as currently stands.
Of course the "coach in waiting" years are as if they never happened at f$u, and they don't count either, but whatever. So I guess now that they are completely against the argument that JF is mehh w/o Winston, then they must be recanting all their previous assertions that jamie is a once in a lifetime special player, and it was actually the genius of JF that won all those games.
If Jimbo Fisher gets credit for the W/L per the NCAA during his "coach in waiting" years, then your argument is valid. If not...
He is so brilliant and elite, but he couldn't manage to influence the team to more wins as CIW? Or are you of the mindset that noles would have been even worse w/o him on the staff? Can we call him 6 loss Fisher now?
My point is this, if he's such a great recruiter/developer of talent then how would Dabo's team be so much better? He's had 6 years as HC and 3 as OC/HCIW to build and develop a roster.
But if thats not the reason he lost yo Clemson, if there's no talent gap, then he got out coached by Dabo
Because the game wasn't close.......
I think you're just pushing the ridiculous end of the spectrum now.
Gators act as though Bowden tossed the "keys to the kingdom" to Jimbo and took a nap on the side-line. If anything Bowden gave Jimbo the keys with a VERY short leash. A. Jimbo wasn't allowed to bring in his guys on defense, so we were stuck with Chuck the Chest and past-his-prime Andrews. It's no secret that Chuck and Jimbo didn't get along (even rumors of a locker-room scuffle). B. Bowden gave Jimbo "control" with caveats. Picture it like this: It's 4th and 1 and Jimbo's been calling all the plays during the 6-play drive. Jimbo's about to go for it on a crucial down and Bobby tugs the leash and calls in a punt. I'm not sure you'd call that "control."
As soon as Bobby was forced out, Jimbo cleaned house and his teams have been trending upward ever since. This year was a rebuilding year and any Nole who thinks otherwise is living a pipe-dream. This isn't the 90's...there is more parody in CFB. We'll see how Jimbo's team finishes out the year and on in to 2016.
Giving Jimbo credit for W/Ls under Bowden is one of the silliest things I've seen posted on this board and that's saying something.
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Jimbo has losses to
2010
- Ranked OU (acceptable)
- Unranked NC St (9-4 that year)
- Unranked UNC (8-5 unacceptable)
- Ranked VaTech (acceptable)
2011
- Ranked OU (acceptable)
- Ranked Clemson (10-4)
- Wake Forest (6-7...2nd worse Jimbo loss)
- UVA (8-5 ...unacceptable loss ...3rd worse Jimbo loss)
2012
- Ga Tech (8-5)
- Ranked UF
2013
- No losses
National Championship
2014
- No losses (season)
Loss to Oregon in the CFL
2015
- Ga Tech (worse loss under Jimbo...UNACCEPTABLE!)
- #1 Clemson (FSU led game for 3 quarters)
You are asking how FSU could lose to the number one ranked team in their stadium? And putting something in italics, doesn't make it true.
By all means call him 6 loss Fisher. Honestly makes as much sense as anything else posted here.
Some of the home board posters are as out of touch as many on WC. It's well beyond civil discussion in so many threads. Laughable at this point. If FSU wins in 2 weeks the bridges will be full of jumpers as the keys to the state will remain with SOW. I for one can't wait for this game.
Hahaha....bunch of petty phuckers in this thread.
Jimbo's going to lose some games. Some years more than others. Probably never going to field a team at FSU that doesn't make a bowl game. Some years he'll probably get to the playoffs. Occasionally he may play for a national championship and he may win another one or two at FSU.
Overall, everything's OK in my college football world as a fan.
Jimbo's going to lose some games. Some years more than others. Probably never going to field a team at FSU that doesn't make a bowl game. Some years he'll probably get to the playoffs. Occasionally he may play for a national championship and he may win another one or two at FSU.
Overall, everything's OK in my college football world as a fan.
Dabo is 2-4 vs. Fisher so I'm really not sure wth you're talking about. How did Meyer and Spurrier get worked by Jimbo? Obviously it's not because he's a good coach.
Pretty delusion words, considering this defense held your offense to 13 points. And the FSU defense allowed Clemson to score 23.
OK. So do you expect that of Fisher? Or are losses to 2-5 teams considered to be acceptable by FSU fans?
We certainly hope such a thing is acceptable, as your coach will undoubtedly have a lot of losses to inferior teams going forward.
Welp, I think I've got my limit. No trophies but a few keepers.......
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More strawmen. You tried to minimize the earlier losses in his career with statements like 'it was his first few years' so what's the excuse for losing to teams like Georgia Tech in year 6. Can you keep up now?
Yeah ok buddy. Whatever you say. You really 'won' this arguement, congratulations. See if the fsu athletic dept will make you a ring....translation =
My bad. You are right. He *only* has 13 losses. The reason I put quotes around the word is for amusement. I find it funny that Nole fans tout a 10-1 record against *rivals* when he has lost far more times to teams not considered to be a rival. How many times do you have lose to them before they are rivals?
I find it interesting that you guys don't consider any team in the ACC to be a rival? I know Miami is in the ACC, but that is a long time matchup.
FSU has been in the ACC for nearly a quarter of a century. Yet has not forged any rivalries.
Damn, that must suck donkey balls. Not to have any conference rivalries.
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And they still cannot grasp the point...w/o jamie they lose an avg of 4 games a year, even though they only play a one or two game schedule....oh well, delusio-noles to the end!
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You must be new here. Most know I have my own ring guy. This was my first ring back in 2012:
Maybe. But there are more than a few FSU fans that hold the same opinion of Fisher as we hold.
Yes, Fisher is a great recruiter. Yes, he seems to have built a very good, if not great overall program. Plus he definitely get credit for the Winston years. It is not often a coach goes through two years with only one loss. All that is notable. All that is in his favor. And contrary to what you imbeciles claim, many if not most Gator fans give him credit of it.
But then there are those aggravating losses to outranked teams. And it seems to happen every single year, sans Winston. Or, let me say it differently. We do not want to ruffle the delicate sensibilities of our easily offended FSU friends, so lets include the Winston years. Four loss Fisher has lost to at least one unranked team in 4 out of the 6 years he has been a head coach. That is 75% of the time. That is called a trend, especially since it includes the most recent year.
Happy?
BTW, as a point of comparison, while he was the coach of the Mighty Gators, Spurrier lost to an unranked one time...or maybe two. Can't remember the exact number. But he was here 11 years. It was certainly not in 75% of the years.
Actually, Oozie and MJ have said that's not the point and Fisher gets "full credit" for the Jameis years. Of course, then they turn around and say the same thing you just said so who really knows what the point is any more.
You are either willfully obtuse, deflecting as usual, or dense....most likely all of them, and for always, little brother.
Or I've actually read this thread and others like it.
"Again, he gets full credit for those two seasons and Winston. That isn't and never was the argument." -Oozie
"This is how 'brilliant' Noles are. UF fans point out that pre-Jameis Fisher consistently underachieved with rosters full of NFL talent, thus making him average. To refute that argument, Nole posters point to accomplishments of Fisher WITH Jameis. Ok. Are y'all slow?" -Oozie
Maybe you see now. Although I doubt it.
More of Oozie giving Fisher "full credit" for the Winston years:
"And riddle me this, FSU had more NFL talent than any team in the country last year, yet you trailed in 9 of 12 regular season games, a few of those games you trailed by double digits before Jameis saved his ass."
But, but, but...."that's not our point".
"And riddle me this, FSU had more NFL talent than any team in the country last year, yet you trailed in 9 of 12 regular season games, a few of those games you trailed by double digits before Jameis saved his ass."
But, but, but...."that's not our point".
So yea, you are slow. LOL wow. You still can't grasp that it's basically a before and after comparison. Saying he underachieved pre-Jameis, and even at times with him does not take away from giving him full credit with Jameis. You're really not bright, that's the nicest way I can put it.
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