Winston Leaves, 4-Loss Fisher Returns

[SeaPA]

It's funny reading some of the stuff posted here. On one hand, Fisher is a terrible coach whose success was entirely a result of lucking into Winston. On the other hand, I've also learned that Winston has no athletic ability whatsoever, a terrible throwing motion, is dumb as a rock, and can't read a defense.

Between the two of them, I don't know how we won a game the last two years.

 

[alaskanseminole]

 

[Nolez29]

It's funny reading some of the stuff posted here. On one hand, Fisher is a terrible coach whose success was entirely a result of lucking into Winston. On the other hand, I've also learned that Winston has no athletic ability whatsoever, a terrible throwing motion, is dumb as a rock, and can't read a defense.

Between the two of them, I don't know how we won a game the last two years.

You forgot Benjamin made Winston & once Benjamin started practicing on real fields in the NFL. The real fields ripped up his ACL.

 

[danoleman]

That's kinda the point....f$u is the only standard bearer of ACC football, and they still lose games in the one to two game schedules they play. The rest of your post is more gibberish, esp the part about USCe beating Clemson.

Yeah, how dare FSU only win 30 of our last 32 conference games!! We shouldn't ever lose a game!! Ever!!!!! Smh

 

[sadgator]

sadgator thinks most of us here would acknowledge that Winston has talent...but that has little or nothing to do with the fact that he is a moron.

Fisher is a decent coach. He works with and maximizes his talent pretty well. He doesn't seem to be a slave to any "system." That is sadgator's gauge of good coaching. sadgator has no problem acknowledging that. He's kind of a bland character though, and sadgator finds it hard to really care that much about him one way or the other.

 

[keyzer soze]

Yeah, how dare FSU only win 30 of our last 32 conference games!! We shouldn't ever lose a game!! Ever!!!!! Smh

That's exactly the point. With the fancy pillows that fsu had access to, how does it ever lose to those other powder puffs?
It would be different if fsu played in a league that has actual football games and not pillow fights. Against real football competition nobody is winning 30/32 with JIMBO as their coach.

 

[danoleman]

That's exactly the point. With the fancy pillows that fsu had access to, how does it ever lose to those other powder puffs?
It would be different if fsu played in a league that has actual football games and not pillow fights. Against real football competition nobody is winning 30/32 with JIMBO as their coach.

Sure. Have you seen Jimbo's record against the SEC??

 

[danoleman]

And BTW, name some of these powerful teams that would be destroying us if we were in another conference. I'm curious

 

[SKSnole]

Sure. Have you seen Jimbo's record against the SEC??

I'm pretty sure that SEC fans think that if they just ignore this fact people will quit bringing it up.

 

[SKSnole]

Sure. Have you seen Jimbo's record against the SEC??

Or his OOC record in general which I think is something like 23-4 (.852)

 

[danoleman]

Or his OOC record in general which I think is something like 23-4 (.852)

Oh crap!! Gators were right!! 4 loss Fisher!! Lmao

 

[MJWilliamson]

It's not just getting 4 losses...it's 4 losses on that schedule...it's one of the weakest in the FBS, not talking smack...it's a fact. .

Exactly the point. Even in 2012, the third year of Fisher's regime when he only lost 2 games, one of those was to NCState, a team that finished 7-6 and got clobbered by two SEC teams that year. One of those SEC teams was Vandy. The other was Tennessee. And most FSU fans considered Florida to be vastly inferior that year, and we clobbered them too.

Fisher, sans Winston, is known for dropping at least one game to a vastly inferior team every year. And often two.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Clemson really looked like the best team in the country against that powerful Syracuse team.

The local FSU fans were chortling that LSU *only* beat Syracuse, at the Carrier Dome earlier in the year, by 10 points. One wonders what the feel about this game.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Congrats on your huge win against 3-7 USCjr.

Listen you ass, that 3-7 USCjr team beat an ACC divisional champion. So you got that going for you.

 

[hooking]

The local FSU fans were chortling that LSU *only* beat Syracuse, at the Carrier Dome earlier in the year, by 10 points. One wonders what the feel about this game.

The Cuse is a different team at home. I think UNC will take Clempson in the championship game.

 

[Nolez29]

Exactly the point. Even in 2012, the third year of Fisher's regime when he only lost 2 games, one of those was to NCState, a team that finished 7-6 and got clobbered by two SEC teams that year. One of those SEC teams was Vandy. The other was Tennessee. And most FSU fans considered Florida to be vastly inferior that year, and we clobbered them too.

Fisher, sans Winston, is known for dropping at least one game to a vastly inferior team every year. And often two.

Our definition of clobbering is different.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Actually there are 75 schools with worse schedules that FSU and 98 with worse schedules than UF's.

Of course you force me to test this.

According to the NCAA, FSU has the #86 SOS. Florida has #63.
According to the Sagarin , FSU has the #53 SOS. Florida has #31.
According to the Massey, FSU has the #44 SOS. Florida has #15.

So, the average of these is, Florida with a #36 and FSU with # 61. That is 25 places better.

FSU's SOS will get better by the end of Bowl season, what with playing the Mighty Gators and a decent bowl team . But Florida's will get MUCH better, what with playing Alabama, a better bowl team and FSU.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Our definition of clobbering is different.

Please enlighten us. My definition of clobbering is beating a team by double digits and dominating most statistical categories. What is yours?

 

[MJWilliamson]

The SEC East isn't that much better than the ACC Atlantic.

Actually, the SEC East is on par with the ACC Coastal. To wit;

Sagarin;

1 SEC-WEST (A) = 83.25 83.89 ( 1) 7 83.65 ( 1)
2 BIG 12 (A) = 79.29 78.58 ( 2) 10 79.24 ( 2)
3 PAC-12(SOUTH) (A) = 78.43 77.94 ( 3) 6 78.18 ( 3)
4 PAC-12(NORTH) (A) = 77.99 77.20 ( 4) 6 77.77 ( 4)
5 BIG TEN-EAST (A) = 76.06 76.12 ( 5) 7 76.13 ( 5)
6 ACC-COASTAL (A) = 75.87 76.05 ( 6) 7 75.99 ( 6)
7 SEC-EAST (A) = 75.57 76.04 ( 7) 7 75.90 ( 7)
8 BIG TEN-WEST (A) = 74.69 74.50 ( 9) 7 74.58 ( 9)
9 ACC-ATLANTIC (A) = 74.61 75.22 ( 8) 7 74.88 ( 8)
10 I-A INDEPENDENTS (A) = 72.79 71.80 ( 10) 3 73.23 ( 10)

 

[MJWilliamson]

Oh crap!! Gators were right!! 4 loss Fisher!! Lmao

He still has enough games left to make it to four losses. Or at least three. I never underestimate him in that regard.

 

[GatorNation79]

Geez Noles get their panies in a wad the second something is said about Fisher. IMO he's a good coach that plays in a weak conference (this is a National opinion), he recruits players that can play football really good but might be a piece of crap personally-then defends them to the end when they get in trouble or these players get little or no trouble when things happen...and that's just on things that get broadcasted...so that's why a lot of people think that FSU-Jimbo runs a dirty program. Outside of that FSU is a good team that plays a lot of games that they are heavily favored in and you guys win a lot. Urban did some of the same things when it comes to ethical stuff he was at UF...except we always played a tough schedule in lots of games are really close in talent and projected scoring. That's just my opinion but I think that a lot of people would agree with this.

 

[Nolez29]

Please enlighten us. My definition of clobbering is beating a team by double digits and dominating most statistical categories. What is yours?

2013 FSU at Clem.

That was a dismantling from beginning to end. Fsu was winning with 10 mins to go in the 4th quarter in 2012 against Uf. You guys won the game, but a beat down it wasn't.

 

[hardliner]

He still has enough games left to make it to four losses. Or at least three. I never underestimate him in that regard.

Yeah you guys certainly own Jimbo with your .200 win percentage against him.

 

[oozie7]

I'm pretty sure that SEC fans think that if they just ignore this fact people will quit bringing it up.

What's to ignore? 3/4 of those wins have come against UF teams with 5 or more losses. Also beat a 4-loss South Carolina team and then Auburn in the title game. The same Auburn team y'all spent a month here telling us they were overrated and should have had 4 losses and how the greatest team ever was gonna route them by 20. So please stop with this 'record against the SEC' bullshit, you've played UF and two other SEC teams. It's not as if you're playing multiple SEC teams on an annual basis and succeeding. Y'all are annoying.

 

[keyzer soze]

Yeah you guys certainly own Jimbo with your .200 win percentage against him.

What I love is that there is no acknowledgement of the fact that UF was a dumpster fire for the last 5 years.
That's where most of his wins against the SEC come from. Fsu won those games fair and square, but they're not a fair representation of what UF games should be like.
If Jimbo stays at fsu long enough, that win percentage will change drastically. He better thank his lucky stars that he was spotted a 4 game cushion.

 

[danoleman]

What's to ignore? 3/4 of those wins have come against UF teams with 5 or more losses. Also beat a 4-loss South Carolina team and then Auburn in the title game. The same Auburn team y'all spent a month here telling us they were overrated and should have had 4 losses and how the greatest team ever was gonna route them by 20. So please stop with this 'record against the SEC' bullshit, you've played UF and two other SEC teams. It's not as if you're playing multiple SEC teams on an annual basis and succeeding. Y'all are annoying.

Whatever dude, the losses still count and those teams are still SEC.

 

[danoleman]

What I love is that there is no acknowledgement of the fact that UF was a dumpster fire for the last 5 years.
That's where most of his wins against the SEC come from. Fsu won those games fair and square, but they're not a fair representation of what UF games should be like.
If Jimbo stays at fsu long enough, that win percentage will change drastically. He better thank his lucky stars that he was spotted a 4 game cushion.

Well yall got 6 straight on some of Coach Bowden worst teams. They are still losses though.

 

[SKSnole]

What's to ignore? 3/4 of those wins have come against UF teams with 5 or more losses. Also beat a 4-loss South Carolina team and then Auburn in the title game. The same Auburn team y'all spent a month here telling us they were overrated and should have had 4 losses and how the greatest team ever was gonna route them by 20. So please stop with this 'record against the SEC' bullshit, you've played UF and two other SEC teams. It's not as if you're playing multiple SEC teams on an annual basis and succeeding. Y'all are annoying.

Interesting argument seeing as how this thread is discussing losing 4 games in the ACC. Didn't you guys play a 4 loss ACC team in 2010, 2011, and 2013? How'd that go?

 

[hardliner]

What I love is that there is no acknowledgement of the fact that UF was a dumpster fire for the last 5 years.
That's where most of his wins against the SEC come from. Fsu won those games fair and square, but they're not a fair representation of what UF games should be like.
If Jimbo stays at fsu long enough, that win percentage will change drastically. He better thank his lucky stars that he was spotted a 4 game cushion.

Basically word for word what BONG said after Jimbo's lone loss to UF a few years ago. Hopefully history repeats itself.

 

[keyzer soze]

Basically word for word what BONG said after Jimbo's lone loss to UF a few years ago. Hopefully history repeats itself.

Then he was delusional, because that moron Muschamp was our coach then. If you don't realize that things have changed now, then you're whistling past the graveyard.

Well yall got 6 straight on some of Coach Bowden worst teams. They are still losses though.

We gave you some of your 'lost decade' back with piss poor coaches. Bowden at his worst was better than Zook and muschamp combined.
After all those years of GOAT talk about Bowden any nole that comes in here and downplays any Bowden coaching should have to turn in his Sycophant Nole card and give up his garnet and gold glasses

 

[hardliner]

Interesting argument seeing as how this thread is discussing losing 4 games in the ACC. Didn't you guys play a 4 loss ACC team in 2010, 2011, and 2013? How'd that go?

The last 5 years didn't count. Jimbo loses 4 games a year every year. Winston sucks and is horrible. The ACC is the equivalent of the Pioneer League. Par for the course.

 

[keyzer soze]

The last 5 years didn't count. Jimbo loses 4 games a year every year. Winston sucks and is horrible. The ACC is the equivalent of the Pioneer League. Par for the course.

No the acc is a pillow fighting league. I thought we had established that. When 3 or 4 acc teams win about 8 NCs in a row we can amend that
The last 5 years absolutely count. I hope they serve as a reminder to Gators forever. But you and I both know that those years are not the norm. Based on history we went about 30 years between teams that bad.
Jimbo is a championship coach when he has the best players and the breaks go his way. He HAS NEVER proven that he can win like Mac is this year with less talent. Or like Meyer did in '06
He's more of a Les Miles or Larry Coker type.
Prove me wrong

 

[oozie7]

Whatever dude, the losses still count and those teams are still SEC.

K. Point is you're purposefully misconstruing the extent of Jimbo's dominance to prove some silly ass point. If the SEC is as overrated as y'all claim it to be and our program has been such a dump the last few years as y'all claim it to be, then why are y'all beating your chest about beating 5 loss SEC teams with you're greatest teams ever? Does not compute.

 

[hardliner]

No the acc is a pillow fighting league. I thought we had established that. When 3 or 4 acc teams win about 8 NCs in a row we can amend that
The last 5 years absolutely count. I hope they serve as a reminder to Gators forever. But you and I both know that those years are not the norm. Based on history we went about 30 years between teams that bad.
Jimbo is a championship coach when he has the best players and the breaks go his way. He HAS NEVER proven that he can win like Mac is this year with less talent. Or like Meyer did in '06
He's more of a Les Miles or Larry Coker type.
Prove me wrong

Comparing CJF to a guy that did nothing but clap on the sidelines (Coker) and who's teams got worse the longer he was there is a joke. Coker was fired after his 6th season. Pretty sure Jimbo isn't going to be fired after this year.

K. Point is you're purposefully misconstruing the extent of Jimbo's dominance to prove some silly ass point. If the SEC is as overrated as y'all claim it to be and our program has been such a dump the last few years as y'all claim it to be, then why are y'all beating your chest about beating 5 loss SEC teams with you're greatest teams ever? Does not compute.

We respond with facts. Fact: Jimbo is 4-1 against UF. Fact Jimbo averages 11.6 wins per year. You respond with feelings. I feel Jimbo isn't any good. I feel that if Jimbo didn't have great players he would suck.

 

[MJWilliamson]

2013 FSU at Clem.

That was a dismantling from beginning to end. Fsu was winning with 10 mins to go in the 4th quarter in 2012 against Uf. You guys won the game, but a beat down it wasn't.

It was a beat down. We beat you by double digits. We outgained you on the ground and through the air. We won the turnover battle. We dominated the LOS and dominated TOP.

You Noles are delusional.

But that is fine you don't agree with us. It only supports the original point. That Jimbo will lose to at least two teams he should not lose to.

 

[danoleman]

K. Point is you're purposefully misconstruing the extent of Jimbo's dominance to prove some silly ass point. If the SEC is as overrated as y'all claim it to be and our program has been such a dump the last few years as y'all claim it to be, then why are y'all beating your chest about beating 5 loss SEC teams with you're greatest teams ever? Does not compute.

You added the "beating your chest" part. We simply stated the facts. And it is a fact.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Yeah you guys certainly own Jimbo with your .200 win percentage against him.

That was not my point. Way to deflect, ass.

The point? Sans Winston, Jimbo loses to at least one inferior team and most years two or more. Every.Single.Year

 

[Uniformed_ReRe]

Exactly the point. Even in 2012, the third year of Fisher's regime when he only lost 2 games, one of those was to NCState, a team that finished 7-6 and got clobbered by two SEC teams that year. One of those SEC teams was Vandy. The other was Tennessee. And most FSU fans considered Florida to be vastly inferior that year, and we clobbered them too.

Fisher, sans Winston, is known for dropping at least one game to a vastly inferior team every year. And often two.

Fair enough, but what coach does not occasionally have a "bad" loss? I can only think of Urban Meyer and Nick Saban. And they are both widely acknowledged to be the best coaches in the game today. 2011 is the only season, since Jimbo took over, that FSU had multiple bad losses (Wake & UVA).

 

[MJWilliamson]

Well yall got 6 straight on some of Coach Bowden worst teams. They are still losses though.

This is so rich. FSU fans will chortle about Jimbo's record against Florida. Florida teams that are some of the worst in over 30 years. Yet they will defend the 0-6 record before that, saying those FSU teams were not very good, even though they were coached by the best coach in FSU's history and the offense during that period was coached by their current head coach.

But then, intelligence has never been a FSU fans strong suit.

 

[MJWilliamson]

Fair enough, but what coach does not occasionally have a "bad" loss? I can only think of Urban Meyer and Nick Saban. And they are both widely acknowledged to be the best coaches in the game today. 2011 is the only season, since Jimbo took over, that FSU had multiple losses (Wake & UVA).

We are not talking occasionally. We are talking about every year, sans Winston. Every year. That is four years, including this year. In fact with the two losses so far this year, Fisher has averaged 3 losses a year, sans Winston. That is a trend. That is who he is. Had he not tanked against GaTech this year, then you might have a point.

Hell, you post over on the FSU board. The analysis I use here is echoed by more than a few FSU fans over there.