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Not know/understanding the Constitution is a crime for an elected official. Thinking its a living document is stupid.

The pledge of allegiance, on the other hand, was a misguided attempt during the Cold War to keep communism at bay on the homefront even though it's disturbingly similar to what the Russians were doing at the time and was written by a Socialist.

So I'm fine with it.
 
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Not know/understanding the Constitution is a crime for an elected official. Thinking its a living document is stupid.

The pledge of allegiance, on the other hand, was a misguided attempt during the Cold War to keep communism at bay on the homefront even though it's disturbingly similar to what the Russians were doing at the time and was written by a Socialist.

So I'm fine with it.
I was raised when it was implemented, and it still gives me chills to say it. I do not let lefties disgust of our flag and Country persuade me differently
 
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Not know/understanding the Constitution is a crime for an elected official. Thinking its a living document is stupid.

The pledge of allegiance, on the other hand, was a misguided attempt during the Cold War to keep communism at bay on the homefront even though it's disturbingly similar to what the Russians were doing at the time and was written by a Socialist.

So I'm fine with it.
Creepy as it's origins may be, Americans - esp elected officials - should still probably know it.

Put another way...I can promise you if she doesn't know the Pledge she doesn't know its history.
 
Hey, you do you. I feel the same way about the National Anthem, even when people sing it weird.
And I am not calling out anyone for feeling differently, as I believe this depends on when you were brought up. I also get chills on the National Anthem. Chris Stapleton was INCREDIBLE at the SB when he sang/played it. Other patriotic song that moves me is God bless the USA Lee Greenwood. I am a democrats worst nightmare.
 
And I am not calling out anyone for feeling differently, as I believe this depends on when you were brought up. I also get chills on the National Anthem. Chris Stapleton was INCREDIBLE at the SB when he sang/played it. Other patriotic song that moves me is God bless the USA Lee Greenwood. I am a democrats worst nightmare.
Samuel Johnson is often misquoted as saying "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

What he actually said was THE scoundrel. And that simple change from indefinite to definite article changes the meaning profoundly.

Patriots aren't scoundrels. People who cloak themselves in the mantle of patriotism as a shield against criticism and action are. Now no more than 5% of the total population of the colonies fought in the revolutionary war. A lot of people talked a good game and gave speeches but not a lot of people, not many people at all actually bellied up to the bar. A lot of people make a big show of pledging allegiance and bellowing out the anthem with their hand over their heart. I'm not going to judge their patriotism based on that.

I just wonder how many people would actively support a resistance movement, or either side of a Civil War.

Everyone wants to be a patriot til its time to do patriot shit.
 
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Samuel Johnson is often misquoted as saying "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

What he actually said was THE scoundrel. And that simple change from indefinite to definite article changes the meaning profoundly.

Patriots aren't scoundrels. People who cloak themselves in the mantle of patriotism as a shield against criticism and action are. Now no more than 5% of the total population of the colonies fought in the revolutionary war. A lot of people talked a good game and gave speeches but not a lot of people, not many people at all actually bellied up to the bar. A lot of people make a big show of pledging allegiance and bellowing out the anthem with their hand over their heart. I'm not going to judge their patriotism based on that.

I just wonder how many people would actively support a resistance movement, or either side.

Everyone wants to be a patriot til its time to do patriot shit.
Me and every one of my life long friends. RWA (ready, willing and able)
 
Me and every one of my life long friends. RWA (ready, willing and able)
Not talking about you my friend.

But Gen Y/Z has shown a disturbing willingness to endorse military intervention under the auspices of a safer world but they absolutely do not want to be the ones running and gunning.

Assuming they were mentally and physically qualified to begin with.
 
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Not talking about you my friend.

But Gen Y/Z has shown a disturbing williningness to endorse military intervention under the auspices of a safer world but they absolutely do not want to be the ones running and gunning.

Assuming they were mentally and physically qualified to begin with.
NO DOUBT...scares the HELL out of me if confrontation comes...here or abroad.
 
Not know/understanding the Constitution is a crime for an elected official. Thinking its a living document is stupid.

The pledge of allegiance, on the other hand, was a misguided attempt during the Cold War to keep communism at bay on the homefront even though it's disturbingly similar to what the Russians were doing at the time and was written by a Socialist.

So I'm fine with it.
Hate to tell you, I doubt that 90% of our elected officials across the US actually knows the constitution. I doubt that 90% of the country knows it.

Pledges is 100% communism type stuff.
 
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Pledges is 100% communism type stuff.

It's a show of patriotism and love for our imperfect union. That imperfect union also happens to be the most perfect devised by man so far.

If someone doesn't wish to participate, fine. But I'd absolutely consider their refusal before casting a vote for them. If that's communism, I guess I'm a communist. But it isn't, so I feel ok about it.
 
Hate to tell you, I doubt that 90% of our elected officials across the US actually knows the constitution. I doubt that 90% of the country knows it.

Pledges is 100% communism type stuff.
Most of the questions on the naturalization exam pertain to the Constitution. Maybe they should make passing that exam a requirement for holding office.
 
Creepy as it's origins may be, Americans - esp elected officials - should still probably know it.

Put another way...I can promise you if she doesn't know the Pledge she doesn't know its history.
You made me think about this. I haven't repeated it in 50 years. I just recited it in my head without a problem. Sum Ting Wong with these woke politicians. :oops:
 
Other patriotic song that moves me is God bless the USA Lee Greenwood. I am a democrats worst nightmare.
I like the song I remember it as a kid. Lee Greenwood on the other hand is a hack and I can take or leave him. IMHO you don't take your great patriotic song and slightly alter the lyrics, and sell it as God Bless Canada 5 years later. He's from California so I suppose he can't help it.

My SGT Maj gets the credit for reminding me of this.
 
Most of the questions on the naturalization exam pertain to the Constitution. Maybe they should make passing that exam a requirement for holding office.
I feel very confident that people that pass the naturalization exam knows more than our natural born citizens.
 
Creepy as it's origins may be, Americans - esp elected officials - should still probably know it.
Put another way...I can promise you if she doesn't know the Pledge she doesn't know its history.
I just did this again in my head. You know, that "indivisible with liberty" part is looking very sketchy these days. :confused:
 
You made me think about this. I haven't repeated it in 50 years. I just recited it in my head without a problem. Sum Ting Wong with these woke politicians. :oops:
They hate this country and what it stands for.

Thomas Sowell said it best...

Liberals believe in utopia if only the institutions were right - so they put all their effort and energy into tearing down and replacing the "broken" institutions.

Conservatives don't believe in utopia, they believe in trade offs. You have to maximize the value of those trade offs, but certain things have to be tolerated.

So from the liberal view, nothing about America is just or right or solid...everything must be torn down and "reimagined" (one of my least favorite words). So why learn the pledge, or the national anthem, or the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights when you already think the country is so flawed?
 
I feel very confident that people that pass the naturalization exam knows more than our natural born citizens.

Agree, many do. They're forced to learn it.

I think it's a great idea that they are. I just also think that it would be a great idea if natural born citizens were forced to learn it as well.
 
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They hate this country and what it stands for.

Thomas Sowell said it best...

Liberals believe in utopia if only the institutions were right - so they put all their effort and energy into tearing down and replacing the "broken" institutions.

Conservatives don't believe in utopia, they believe in trade offs. You have to maximize the value of those trade offs, but certain things have to be tolerated.

So from the liberal view, nothing about America is just or right or solid...everything must be torn down and "reimagined" (one of my least favorite words). So why learn the pledge, or the national anthem, or the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights when you already think the country is so flawed?

Thanks for posting...that was beautifully said. Sowell is poet...a poet who waxes sensibility.

Dreamers vs realists. In a perfect world you have both...and they're reasonable with one another and they compromise.

A dreamer invisions the moon landings. The realist makes it happen. Sounds good to me.
 
They hate this country and what it stands for.

Thomas Sowell said it best...

Liberals believe in utopia if only the institutions were right - so they put all their effort and energy into tearing down and replacing the "broken" institutions.

Conservatives don't believe in utopia, they believe in trade offs. You have to maximize the value of those trade offs, but certain things have to be tolerated.

So from the liberal view, nothing about America is just or right or solid...everything must be torn down and "reimagined" (one of my least favorite words). So why learn the pledge, or the national anthem, or the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights when you already think the country is so flawed?
I don't think wanting to change our country means they hate it. That is always a weak defense to argue against changes.

I know I said this previously but I will say this again. When people fought for women rights, they were labeled as people who hates this country, when they fought to end slavery, they were labeled as people who hate this country, etc.

You do understand that when these "institutions" were created there was zero input from women and minorities? So course there will be some people from that fashion that think that we should "improve" it.

The constitution actually allows for change with "amendments" because the founding fathers believed that change should be allowed.
 
It's a show of patriotism and love for our imperfect union. That imperfect union also happens to be the most perfect devised by man so far.

If someone doesn't wish to participate, fine. But I'd absolutely consider their refusal before casting a vote for them. If that's communism, I guess I'm a communist. But it isn't, so I feel ok about it.
Very well said!
 
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You made me think about this. I haven't repeated it in 50 years. I just recited it in my head without a problem. Sum Ting Wong with these woke politicians. :oops:
This reminds me of a very funny story. I was in 8th grade, and we had to memorize the pre amble of the Constitution. Well I THOUGHT I already knew it from fraggle rock. So I sung it in my head while reciting in front of the class...however at the beginning of the cartoon the song goes " We the people...in order to form a more perfect union" when the actual pre amble starts "We the people of the United States of America, in order to perform a more perfect union" So the teacher called me out for using fraggle rock in front of the class. I was embarrassed, as 8th grade is past cartoon time! LOLI wish they still used the fraggle rock stuff!
 
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They hate this country and what it stands for.

Thomas Sowell said it best...

Liberals believe in utopia if only the institutions were right - so they put all their effort and energy into tearing down and replacing the "broken" institutions.

Conservatives don't believe in utopia, they believe in trade offs. You have to maximize the value of those trade offs, but certain things have to be tolerated.

So from the liberal view, nothing about America is just or right or solid...everything must be torn down and "reimagined" (one of my least favorite words). So why learn the pledge, or the national anthem, or the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights when you already think the country is so flawed?
Super good post...and DEAD ON. Libs do NOT love America...they love what America CAN DO FOR THEM. JFK has been rolling in his grave for decades for what they have become. Can you imagine if and WHEN the shiz hits the fan (like it did in WWII) these little POS's doing what it takes to keep America free? I CANNOT imagine it. They join the military to GET something from our Country...not because they want to serve our Nation.
 
I don't think wanting to change our country means they hate it. That is always a weak defense to argue against changes.

I know I said this previously but I will say this again. When people fought for women rights, they were labeled as people who hates this country, when they fought to end slavery, they were labeled as people who hate this country, etc.

You do understand that when these "institutions" were created there was zero input from women and minorities? So course there will be some people from that fashion that think that we should "improve" it.

The constitution actually allows for change with "amendments" because the founding fathers believed that change should be allowed.
Your way to look at it...but from a group of people who support DEI (diversity, equity and inclusion) over "All men are created equal, with certain unalienable rights" I really have to question your post.
 
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I don't think wanting to change our country means they hate it. That is always a weak defense to argue against changes.

I know I said this previously but I will say this again. When people fought for women rights, they were labeled as people who hates this country, when they fought to end slavery, they were labeled as people who hate this country, etc.

You do understand that when these "institutions" were created there was zero input from women and minorities? So course there will be some people from that fashion that think that we should "improve" it.

The constitution actually allows for change with "amendments" because the founding fathers believed that change should be allowed.
This is BS....I have ZERO problems with change IF an amendment is passed. Your side likes to question the validity of the Constitution when passing an amendment fails. That is the difference between REAL Americans...and democrats. (see roe vs wade)
 
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I don't think wanting to change our country means they hate it. That is always a weak defense to argue against changes.

I know I said this previously but I will say this again. When people fought for women rights, they were labeled as people who hates this country, when they fought to end slavery, they were labeled as people who hate this country, etc.

You do understand that when these "institutions" were created there was zero input from women and minorities? So course there will be some people from that fashion that think that we should "improve" it.

The constitution actually allows for change with "amendments" because the founding fathers believed that change should be allowed.
- Defund the police
- Equity (not equality)
- Abolish ICE, open the borders and grant amnesty
- CRT
- Post-birth abortion
- Repeal the 2A
- Infringe on the 1A when your political opponents say things that you don't like
- The weaponization of three letter agencies - from the IRS targeting Tea Party 501c3's to the Biden DOJ calling MAGA patriots "violent extremists" (a year after violent left wing rioters destroyed cities for an entire Summer)
- Abolishment of the EC, moving to a popular vote
- Mass mail in voting with no signature verification, abolishing voter ID laws, refusing to maintain voting rolls, voting registration upon issuance of a DL (motor voter laws), allowing non-citizens to vote in local elections, etc.
- Attempting to make DC, Puerto Rico states to gain Senate and House seats

I'm sorry, but this is just a quick list off the top of my head. Leftists want to tear down every basic tenet of America to reframe it in a image that gives them true power over all institutions. They promise utopia if you'll just give them this power and make changes like these.

And yes, Amending the Constitution is a built in method for evolving it but do you know what it takes to pass and enact a Constitutional Amendment? Do you understand why the FF's made it so hard?

Lastly, GTFO with "minorities and women" had no say...while that's true in the beginning everyone has had tremendous "say". We elected a black man to be president twice. We have a black female VP. Congress and the House have have minority and female members for decades, as have local govt's. All you want to do is go back to the original sin and act like there's been no progress in hundreds of years...which is exactly how someone who hates the country thinks.
 
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Reading some of the comments in Yahoo articles, I agree with you 100%. Millennials and Gen X people are essentially clueless. There should be civics classes in high school. :oops:
The hell you say. Gen X is the last generation that actually knows how to do stuff.

It's Y/Z that dont want to work, want everything handed to them and has tantrums when they can't access the internet.
 
- Defund the police
- Equity (not equality)
- Abolish ICE, open the borders and grant amnesty
- CRT
- Post-birth abortion
- Repeal the 2A
- Infringe on the 1A when your political opponents say things that you don't like
- The weaponization of three letter agencies - from the IRS targeting Tea Party 501c3's to the Biden DOJ calling MAGA patriots "violent extremists" (a year after violent left wing rioters destroyed cities for an entire Summer)
- Abolishment of the EC, moving to a popular vote
- Mass mail in voting with no signature verification, abolishing voter ID laws, refusing to maintain voting rolls, voting registration upon issuance of a DL (motor voter laws), allowing non-citizens to vote in local elections, etc.
- Attempting to make DC, Puerto Rico states to gain Senate and House seats

I'm sorry, but this is just a quick list off the top of my head. Leftists want to tear down every basic tenet of America to reframe it in a image that gives them true power over all institutions. They promise utopia if you'll just give them this power and make changes like these.

And yes, Amending the Constitution is a built in method for evolving it but do you know what it takes to pass and enact a Constitutional Amendment? Do you understand why the FF's made it so hard?

Lastly, GTFO with "minorities and women" had no say...while that's true in the beginning everyone has had tremendous "say". We elected a black man to be president twice. We have a black female VP. Congress and the House have have minority and female members for decades, as have local govt's. All you want to do is go back to the original sin and act like there's been no progress in hundreds of years...which is exactly how someone who hates the country thinks.
Having bad policy ideas can be found on BOTH sides, that doesn't mean that you hate the country. It just means that you have bad ideas. MTG wants a national divorce, that's definitely a bad idea. Just because you dislike a policy, shouldn't mean that someone hates the country. Everything you mentioned are "policy" decisions. That is literally why we have elections, to enforce, create and pass policies.

Being elected president or VP and having a say so and how institutions are structured isn't the same. I never said that minorities and women can't be successful in this current situation but there are some that think minorities and women could have more success in a different environment. Maybe they wouldn't had to wait until 2020 and 2008 to be in white house, maybe we still wouldn't have the "1st woman" or 1st minorities to do XXX in 2023.
 
Having bad policy ideas can be found on BOTH sides, that doesn't mean that you hate the country. It just means that you have bad ideas. MTG wants a national divorce, that's definitely a bad idea. Just because you dislike a policy, shouldn't mean that someone hates the country. Everything you mentioned are "policy" decisions. That is literally why we have elections, to enforce, create and pass policies.

Being elected president or VP and having a say so and how institutions are structured isn't the same. I never said that minorities and women can't be successful in this current situation but there are some that think minorities and women could have more success in a different environment. Maybe they wouldn't had to wait until 2020 and 2008 to be in white house, maybe we still wouldn't have the "1st woman" or 1st minorities to do XXX in 2023.
STOP RIGHT THERE, son..you are lying before you even get started. NAME EVERYTHING that is better under Brandon than under Trump to help America. If you cannot, then you are caught in your lie. Your statement is true..to a VERY small point...but EVERYTHING is worse under Brandon, and that is ALL that really matters. Afghanistan, Borders, Energy price, inflation, interest rates,
 
Having bad policy ideas can be found on BOTH sides, that doesn't mean that you hate the country. It just means that you have bad ideas. MTG wants a national divorce, that's definitely a bad idea. Just because you dislike a policy, shouldn't mean that someone hates the country. Everything you mentioned are "policy" decisions. That is literally why we have elections, to enforce, create and pass policies.

Being elected president or VP and having a say so and how institutions are structured isn't the same. I never said that minorities and women can't be successful in this current situation but there are some that think minorities and women could have more success in a different environment. Maybe they wouldn't had to wait until 2020 and 2008 to be in white house, maybe we still wouldn't have the "1st woman" or 1st minorities to do XXX in 2023.
MTG is one person, everything I listed comes from The Party.

And yes, everything I listed is a disruption or total dissolution of one or more of our institutions. If you love the country you don't try to tear it down and start over. Tweaks? Fine, but that's not what the Left wants.
 
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The hell you say. Gen X is the last generation that actually knows how to do stuff.

It's Y/Z that dont want to work, want everything handed to them and has tantrums when they can't access the internet.

Yep I think the 40 or so and younger crowd are a lot different than Gen X overall. Probably due to the unrestricted indoctrination in schools starting with that age group plus the stuff that came around when they were young.
 
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And yes, everything I listed is a disruption or total dissolution of one or more of our institutions. If you love the country you don't try to tear it down and start over. Tweaks? Fine, but that's not what the Left wants.
The J6 Jamboree happened because people are outraged at the apparent loss of free and fair elections. The same damned thing just happened in Brazil. The Deep State wants ZERO transparency that elections weren't tarnished. It's going to actually be violent going forward if that isn't fixed.
 
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MTG is one person, everything I listed comes from The Party.

And yes, everything I listed is a disruption or total dissolution of one or more of our institutions. If you love the country you don't try to tear it down and start over. Tweaks? Fine, but that's not what the Left wants.
Everything you listed is not the party. You listed anything that you dislike from the left and made it the entire democratic party.

The right wants to break down institutions in America too. The FBI, EPA, education, etc. It doesn't mean that they hate the country. Change by tweaks or complete tear downs is the America way.
 
The right wants to break down institutions in America too. The FBI, EPA, education, etc. It doesn't mean that they hate the country. Change by tweaks or complete tear downs is the America way.
The conservative faction wants those agencies to "stay in their lanes" , be non partisan, and not become a weapon of the woke left...........which is EXACTLY what they've become.
 
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