To me, after watching this year this reeks of an Urban situation. Me thinks FSU sees that FSU is broke. How else to you explain all that talent being 5-6? Sure you lose your QB but that was game 1. And they have a shit ton of defensive talent.
UGA Sports reporting Jimbo has agreed to the A&M job
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Oregon doing their part.
Alternatively, Sexton's ploys pay off.
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Oregon has offered coach Willie Taggart a new deal worth more than $20 million, @Andy_Staples reports http://on.si.com/2i0EcUo
With Florida State on the verge of a coaching search, Oregon has opened up its wallet in an effort to keep Willie Taggart http://on.si.com/2i2i5gw
1:19 PM - Nov 29, 2017
Oregon offering Willie Taggart new contract
Taggart has reason to wait to accept Oregon's new deal. If Jimbo Fisher leaves Florida State, Taggart could be a candidate in Tallahassee.
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I want Taggart to leave just so I can watch Chip pull a Bill Bellichek and back out on UCLA to return to Oregon before even running a practice
Bunch of dead wood coaches on staff that the players have tuned out. All it took was the injury to Francois for the house of cards to collapse.
Yep, think everybody felt comfortable until francois got hurt. I warned everybody
You did indeed.
My argument is that you guys saw a lot of potential in him but blamed the offensive line for not protecting him...but that’s straight up prognostication.
Do you really think your season turns out significantly better if he doesn’t get hurt? Serious question.
I think you win a couple more games, but I’m not sure you do much more than that.
We lost three games by less than a TD. I think we'd be 8-3 with Francois, with the 9th win coming Saturday. Nothing special, but better than 5-6, with a half-assed bowl eligibility coming Saturday.
I think we win at least 9. We almost beat Miami, UL and clemson with the tall blind stork
Yeah that’s about what I think. Pretty fair analysis I would say.
My point is that “3 loss Fisher” would pretty much have been on pace this year with his starting QB. And that if I was an FSU fan I would be willing to take my chances with a new coach. I honestly think that on top of all the other things that have been said about Fisher, his recruiting prowess has been oversold. He has benefitted greatly from Florida and Miami dumpster fires. FSU was CLEARLY the best choice for top prospects the last few years.
I don't think anyone will ever hold up him up as GOAT, but he did solid work on rivals, and averaged under three losses a year while winning a title and hitting the playoff with three conference titles. I'd have been surprised if you told me Bowden's successor would manage that in the time he did.
Three loss Fisher is on par with another year of FSU not winning a championship of any kind. Kind of what we predicted in August.
The FSU morons would have been happy with that because "omogomg we beat Florida that did not have head coach!"
Beating Florida is always fun regardless of how bad their coaches or players suck, MJ.
I would be thrilled with Taggart, but I don't understand the Fuente thing. I'd be pretty lukewarm about that hire.
Taggart is an unknown. Never been anywhere long enough to know if he is actually any good or not. His coaching record is certainly pretty bad coaching in non-Power 5 conferences but he’s never stayed anywhere very long. He was on the verge of getting fired at USF. He appears to be a good recruiter. Not sure if he can actually coach or not. Certainly lots of question marks with him. Fuente is much more proven than Taggart.
FSU is having decommits left and right. Something is up.
FSU is having decommits left and right. Something is up.
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So is Fisher. Can Taggart run a program or coach is the question? We really don’t know.
He was further down my list as an option for UF but I had him behind guys like Kelly, Frost, Mullen, Norvell, Gundy, Fuente etc.
At this point, I'd be shocked if he isn't gone. I'm still not sure if he was always serious about aTm, or if he really thought he could just let Sexton play FSU for more money and stay with FSU, but FSU fans have now largely turned on him and players are starting to decommit.
"A situation described as "disastrous" Wednesday has only gotten worse. Some key figures around the program question whether the relationship is salvageable – and whether Fisher should coach in Saturday's regular-season finale against Louisiana-Monroe.
A fan who started to question Fisher's loyalty during his call-in show Wednesday night was shoved out, as shown in this video from the Orlando Sentinel.
The Seminoles also lost three recruits: four-star IMG offensive lineman Verdis Brown, four-star IMG defensive back Houston Griffith and three-star defensive back Israel Mukuamu. The decommits dropped FSU's class from ninth nationally to No. 14.
And it could fall farther, as others are publicly questioning the situation."
Are you for real?
Ok what is exciting about Taggart over Fuente? His recruiting rankings. I just don't see it when talking on the field results.
Fuente has a 26-23 record at a non P5 and a 19-7 record at a P5 program with his first year gaining 10 wins and his second year being a bowl game away from winning 10 games again.
Taggart is 40-45 at non P5 schools and 7-5 at a P5 program in a conference that isn't as good as the ACC.
Edit: Head to Head just for added measures, Taggart is 0-3 vs Fuente. Don't give me the line of "Taggart took over a bad program left by Skip Holtz" because the shvt show Fuente had to take over behind Larry Porter at Memphis was a lot worse...and the recruiting ground was not as fertile for Fuente.
The hell some of y'all think I just don't understand.
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And as I posted above anout this reeking of an Urban broken program exit, yup, hearing Jimbo has been covering up some big trouble by a player. Haha, getting out before it breaks. Good luck guys, see you again in a decade
Well, you guys are fond of saying that Jimbo's recruiting skills are overrated and that he is a mediocre game day coach. I guess we'll find out soon.
On the bright side, if we're going to have a lost decade, we might as well do it without paying a guy $6+ million, plus all of the super expensive infrastructure and staffing demands that he's making.
Plus, a decade from now, college football will probably have been outlawed. 
I understand. Believe me I do. Yet we often accuse you semis for elevating that event to a place higher than it should be. We do that because you (the bigger you) often say things like, "We can go 1-11 as long as the one win is against Florida."
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That press conference with that booster being shoved out of the room after asking a pointed question in a polite way is brutal. Even though Fisher was not the author of that incident, the question was a very fair question and Jimbo should have answered it.
BTW, the guy doing the shoving seemed to be auditioning for a spot on the FSU roster. That was some of the best blocking we have seen from FSU all year.
I'm certain I've seen people, including on this board, state that any halfway decent coach could recruit well at FSU, just based on their brand.
I’m pretty see most on this board have said Jimbo is a very good recruiter and an average game day coach.
However I don’t think you have to be a great recruiter to recruit well at UF or FSU. You have to put in work stil because everybody is coming to the state to recruit players.
https://twitter.com/JPPetersonSprts/status/936257348909363200
JP Peterson@JPPetersonSprts
Just spoke with a well connected booster and someone inside the FSU Athletic department. Jimbo is gone. Expect an announcement today. He will not coach the final game. FSU has not recruited in a month. Class is falling apart. Totally unprofessional but not surprising.
10:35 AM - Nov 30, 2017
JP Peterson@JPPetersonSprtsJust spoke with a well connected booster and someone inside the FSU Athletic department. Jimbo is gone. Expect an announcement today. He will not coach the final game. FSU has not recruited in a month. Class is falling apart. Totally unprofessional but not surprising.
10:35 AM - Nov 30, 2017
Probably. Just not from me. But Jimbo's performance does beg the question. Which is it; overrated recruiting or poor coaching? As I have said several times, I think he suffers from poor coaching. Many of the guys he signs are one we have recruited hard and many of them have done very well at the next level.
Early returns seem to suggest that Mullen might be better at this than his predecessor
So 10-4 got Fisher dubbed "4 loss Fisher" and McElwain fired, but it's the gold standard when discussing Fuente? Fuente may do a great job, I just wouldn't be thrilled with the hire. He's supposedly an offensive guru with high octane offenses. The problem with that is his offenses aren't actually any good. Scoring O rankings:
2012: #88
2013: #111
2014: #22
2015: #11
2016: #33
2017: #63
His 4th year at Memphis is nice, but I can't say I'd be excited about him bringing his 63rd ranked VT offense here. Taggart's last 3 years at USF he took their offense from #119 to #41 to #4. Spin it anyway you want, but that's pretty damn impressive. His offense in year 1 at Oregon currently sits at #19. Taggart also likely comes with Jim Leavitt as DC which would be a monumental upgrade over Charles Kelly. No clue who Fuente would hire as DC but Bud Foster isn't leaving VT so that would be a big question mark. Can Fuente recruit? Does he have any recruiting ties to FL? There's no guarantee that Taggart or Fuente are going to be the next coach though. It could be Norvell or Venebales or Bloomgren or someone no one is talking about. It's all hypothetical at this point.
Problem is Taggart really just beings recruiting. Which if you are following a clown like Mac would fix a lot. Fisher has recruited well, so Taggart won’t fix that.....so......do we really believe he is a better football coach?
Who knows, but why is it assumed that Fuente would be a better coach? Is it his 63rd ranked offense?
I think Jimbo is a good recruiter. But I also feel that he benefited from Miami's extended downcycle. Miami is FSU's biggest recruiting rival, even more than UF.
As far as gameday coaching, I'm not really knowledgeable enough to judge, but I get the impression that Jimbo's elaborate, pro X's and O's are actually very good -- if you've got players who can mentally grasp them and play them. If you don't have those players, there can be a lot of miscues and confusion. A coach who runs simpler stuff might be able to edge Jimbo, especially if the players aren't getting it. Jimbo would probably be a monster at a place like Alabama, but then, so would my grandma.
Cogent thoughts from a guy on another board;
VT has been pretty solid under Fuentes but not massively improved. Memphis has been as good or better under Norvell.
I think there is, for me, some question about who is the real brain between Fuentes / Norvell. I don't know enough about the dynamics when they were at Memphis. Was Norvell a play calling OC or did Fuentes call the plays? What in-game function does each do for their respective teams this year? It is possible that both are gifted coaches, while it is also possible that one was the real brain behind the success at Memphis.
VT has been pretty solid under Fuentes but not massively improved. Memphis has been as good or better under Norvell.
Can't wait for a couple years down the road and TAM has to worry about Jimbo going to Auburn or LSU.
