I agree they may not be as good but they are the most veteran lineup in the SEC I think with like 18 starters being 4th year players. I just don't think that QB matches up to Hooker. He is slow to take off running for 1st downs while Hooker would take off right when the hole opened. He also throws hard on the intermediate stuff which results in quite a few drops. I just hate their defense seems best at dealing with strong running teams that have QBs that aren't big running threats. Pretty mobile QBs that can pass have given them the most problems.
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I agree they may not be as good but they are the most veteran lineup in the SEC I think with like 18 starters being 4th year players. I just don't think that QB matches up to Hooker. He is slow to take off running for 1st downs while Hooker would take off right when the hole opened. He also throws hard on the intermediate stuff which results in quite a few drops. I just hate their defense seems best at dealing with strong running teams that have QBs that aren't big running threats. Pretty mobile QBs that can pass have given them the most problems.
Even vs Samford and Eastern Washington there were several missed tackles along with giving up 3rd and long plays. I haven't seen this type of defense since(2016) Side Hat Collins was our DC under Butters, granted that he and Butters inherited Muschamps defense.
Wasn't Milton the same QB that came in late in the game vs UF in the Peach Bowl? Damn he's been around longer than Debose and Emory Jones.
You are right and that was 2018 so he is at least on his 6th year from high school.
The coming 2023-24 QB Room:
QB-pp Graham Mertz 6-3 215 rsSr ***** - Seasoned Starter
QB-pp Jack Miller III 6-3 210 rsJr **** - Seasoned Starter / Backup
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QB-dt Max Brown 6-2 220 rsSo *** - Slow/dumb and lacks any QB talent. portal candidate
QB-dt Parker Leise 6-2 215 rsFr *** - PWO - Future backup to Miller
QB-dt DJ Lagway 6-2 225 Fr **** - deep depth left rotting on the bench
With all of those quality QB's in front of him, DJ likely won't play until he's a rsSo.
Why? Because everyone here knows that Fr or rsFr can't learn Napier's complicated offense in less than 2-3 years, especially when playing against SEC defenses. That is unless they are failed elsewhere portal xfer's, then they can pick up his schematics virtually over night...
And this is especially true because Billy chooses to play a 'stays in the pocket' QB-pp while running the ball the majority of the time with his room full of top quality RB's.
I can't imagine why he recruited Lagway to begin with, nor why dual threat DJ committed to UF?
Maybe it's the $$$ NIL deal??? 😏
1. Graham Mertz - the crafty experienced veteran.
2. Jack Miller - the seasoned backup.
3. Max Brown - The 3rd year QB who "still has a lot to learn" and is close to finally having Napier's very complicated playbook down.
Maybe the problem involves the teacher??? IF so, he should hire an OC/QB's coach to be a tutor for his vastly complicated schematic offense??? 😉
If Max is really so 'dumb as a rock' stupid, how is he managing to remain at UF and pass his courses? Is he taking basket weaving or chair stacking?
Edit PS -- Opposing DC's must all be genius, because they seem to have no problems figuring out BN's (7-8) offense.... 🙄
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gbo, we'd all better hope that this years Gator team is not last years team also... 😉
Max Brown made the 1st year academic honor roll along with a bunch of 1st year Gators. The major is "Exploring social and behavioral sciences". Not sure how that stacks up to "recreation and sports management science" etc.
Fever, having watched BN's so-called complicated schematic offense with #4 NFL Draft pick and now Colts starting QB=dt AR-15, and what little he's done with Brown and Leise, I'm left wondering if he has a clue on the way to get the best out of a dual threat QB. That's what has me wondering about not only Brown & Leise, but with QB-dt Lagway coming in too??? He's doesn't seem to be preparing the rest of the team to work with a dual threat QB.... 🤓
So far, he's chosen to go with his two failed xfer QB-pp M&M QB's instead of developing the dual threats already on his roster???
I want Billy and the Gators to succeed as much or more than any other Gator fan, but so farrrrrrr........ 😒
So far, he's chosen to go with his two failed xfer QB-pp M&M QB's instead of developing the dual threats already on his roster???
I want Billy and the Gators to succeed as much or more than any other Gator fan, but so farrrrrrr........ 😒
I guess Milton thinks he can't be beat in the state of FL as a starting QB because he won the Orange Bowl last season.
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Surprising. He played QB in college (actually think he won conference player of the year his senior year) he has coached under some pretty big name coaches, and has 4 years of D1 head coaching experience under his belt. Curious as to your credentials? If better, then we need to get you connected with Nappy head ASAP!!
I agree that, as far as running the offense and making decisions/reads, AR looked better against that pro defense than he did for us.
The only think I’ve seen Napier do really well is recruit. This weekend would be a wonderful time for him to put a gameplan together and execute it.
What is funny about that is @instaGATOR used to make similar statements to us when we started questioning Grantham's mess - well about his coaching background at least. I think we have all seen enough to know sometimes it doesn't mean much. When a coach has been an SEC championship or a college playoff level coach then maybe they should get some slack but not most of them. Napier deserves some slack on the wins and losses until year 3 but he is starting to scare people with the play calling. Hopefully he shows a nice game plan Saturday for the offense when Tennessee brings all that pressure. At least the starting center will be back as Slaughter is a big liability there.
My humble opinion is we need a CEO of football not an offensive play caller. Very few coaches can do both successfully. May get our starting center back this week.
Cg1, I'm not a medical doctor either, but I wasn't stupid enough to take a fake misnamed vaccine during the Scamdemic...... 😜
And I don't want to see BN fired, but that won't stop me from commenting on what I see happening, just like I have with every other Gator coach.... 🤓
Current DL Coach of the N.O. Saints
Gator Head Football Coaches that the iG has observed.
1. Ray Graves - 1960 - 1969 - SEC Coy 1960
(He was HC and SOS was QB at my 1st game at Ole Florida Field)
2. Dig Ducky - 1970 - 1978
3. 'Give em Hell' Pell - 1979 - 1984 - SEC CoY 1980
4. Ail-en Galen - 1984 - 1989 - SEC CoY 1984
- Gary Darnell - 1989 - Interim
5. 'The Evil Genius' - 1990 - 2001 - SEC CoY 1990-95-96
6x SEC-C - NC 1996 (ACC-C @ Duke)
6. The Zookster - 2002 - 2004 - (2007 Big-10 CoY - 2008 Rose Bowl)
7. Urban Crier - 2005 - 2010 - 2x SEC-C, & 2x NC 2006-08 - Natl. Coach of Decade 2009
8. Will Musclecramp - 2011 - 2014 - SEC CoY 2012
- D. J. Durkin - 2014 - Interim
9. Jim McLame - 2015 - 2017 - SEC Coy 2015
- Randy Shannon - 2017 - Interim
10. Dan Sullen - 2018 - 2021 - SECe-C 2020 (SEC CoY 2014)
- Greg Knox - 2021 - Interim
11. Ole Nappy Head - 2022 -------- (7-8 so far) 😉
"We just continue to dot the i’s and cross the t’s here as we get close to the (UT) game.”
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So, while I'm certainly not a professional at anything football, I do have some considerable experience as a long time 'more than average' observant fan....
Question - What does Socialist-U (along with their rich and influential closet football genius types) do that turns CoY winners into fired losers????
Sorry, but MOST don't suck afterwards, as their awards, championships, and continued employment demonstrates.
But I applaud your vast football knowledge anyway.... 🙄
Ray Graves retired.
Doug Dickey - 1978 Fired @ UF >> 1979 - Colorado OC
2x SEC CoY @ TN 1965=67 BTW
TN AD 1985-2002 - - TN Sports HoF
Charlie Pell - Retired
Galen Hall
NFL-EU World Bowl Champion with MVP Danny Wuerffel at QB in 2000.
3x NFL Europe CoY
XFL CoY - 2001 Orlando Rage
Dallas Cowboys RB's 2002
PSU - OC/RB's - 2004-11
FL/GA HoF
SOS - Wash Redskins HC @ 5 Million/Yr - Quit after 2 Yrs of Snake Snyder BS.
Winning-est Coach at USCe & UF
Currently UF Ambassador at Large
Ron Zook - 2007 Big-10 CoY - 2008 Rose Bowl
A very long list of continuous employment in football, see Bio if interested.
Currently the DC for the Seattle Sea Dragons
Urban Meyer - NC at tOSU 2014 -- 3X Big-10-C - 2014-17-18
Will Muschamp - 2012 - SEC Co-CoY
2015 - AU DC - Highest paid DC in College football.
2016-20 - HC @ USCe, (took a 3-9 team to 6-7 in 1st season)
2021 - UGA STC - NC's
2022 - Present UGA Co DC/ST's
Jim McElwain
2018 Mich WR's
2019-Present CenMich HC - MAC CoY 2019
In 2022, Mullen became a TV broadcaster, working as a studio analyst covering college football for ABC and ESPN.
Already had offers, so he can return to coaching with the right offer, and likely will imo.
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Mullen I assume wants a big offer in college for a HC position which I highly doubt he gets. He probably will have to take an OC position at a top school if he won't take a lesser power 5 team for a HC position. I think he would be a good fit as an NFL OC since he is a lazy recruiter.
Fever, you need to read/study Dan's resume before talking that kind of BS....
As HC at MissSt, Dan was the 2nd-winningest coach in Mississippi State history.
As HC at UF, Dan took McLame's 4-7 team to a 10-3 record in his 1st season.
Then he went 11-2 in his 2nd season,,,, before the Scamdemic and Socialist-U began to systematically kill his stay at UF over his final 2 seasons.
Dan won't have any trouble getting another HC'ing job at a D1, or as an OC/QB's in the NFL, but we'll see as time goes by....
Just like with Grantham my point stands. We won the first 2 years because of Mac's defenders and we won some in 2020 with offense because he finally was forced to make Trask the starter. He can scheme up plays if he has good talent but his rep on recruiting and all that will keep any of the big programs from offering him a HC position. Maybe he can do like Grantham and have his agent float an NFL team was going to hire him as a DC etc to try and generate more interest.
Well political season is upon us....another classic insta post!!!
He's not in any hurry, as Florida is still paying him not to coach, plus he has that cushy gig as a TV commentator. UF gave him $6 million when they fired him and they give him $1 million every July through 2027. That's the best way to make a living - getting fired from a P5 football program.
Dan should take an offensive position in the nfl. Guy hates recruiting.
OC/QB's - Alex Smith at Utah
OC/QB's - Tim Tebow at UF
HC - Dak & Fitzgerald at MsSt
Maybe UF/UAA/AD should have hired Dan a 50+ person staff....
Or do you believe that only the HC does any recruiting?
However.....
Recruit Class Rankings per 247Sports
2016 - #12 McLame's last full class.
2017 - #11 -- McLame out, Dan in.
2018 - #14 Dan's first full class.
2019 - #9
2020 - #9 -- Scamdemic and Socialist-U begins their diss on Dan campaign.
2021 - #12 -- Dan can see the writing on the walls...
2022 - #18 -- Dan out, Napier in.
2023 - #13 -- Napier's first full class.
Dan's 4 seasons (18-19-20-21) averaged a #11 Class, and that's without the help and assistance of a 50+ staff.... And Dan had 2 of the highest ranked recruiting classes (#9) in the last 10 years, (#9 in 2014).
Moving Forward,,,,, hopefully....
Josh Heupel -- "We have to apply pressure to him (Mertz) and make him uncomfortable inside the pocket. A lot of that starts with being really efficient defensively on first and second down, so you have to do a good job with the run game."
Translation: Load the box on 1st & 2nd down to stop the run, then pressure the QB to either take a sack, or throw an interception. (Josh is well aware of the Wis history) -- 38 TD's, 26 Int's, 49 Sacks
And so far in two 2023 games: A 1 Yd QB sneak for a rushing TD vs McNeese.
45 of 61, 73.8% for 526 Yds, 8.6 Ave, 2 TD's, 1 Int, 5 sacks
The Mertz completion % is being propped up by the dink & dunk junk, followed by good YAC vs McNeese. He's only completing about 1 of 3 on deep passes in my estimation, with an overall QBR of just 47.4 (32.7 vs UU)
But hey, the good news is that he's got 3-30 'Miller Time' returning from throwing shoulder rotator-cuff tendentious as the backup so they're saved if he's needed....
QB Comparison: Tenn's senior QB Joe Milton (429 passing yards, 4 TD's, 66.67%, Zero Int's, 12 runs for 40 Yd's, with 3 rushing TD's. Tennessee will be an accurate gauge of the Gator team's capabilities.
So, this long time fan is looking/hoping for a minor miracle on Saturday Night.....
(the D might need a couple of pick-6's with the ST's getting a score to get a win )
Josh Heupel -- "We have to apply pressure to him (Mertz) and make him uncomfortable inside the pocket. A lot of that starts with being really efficient defensively on first and second down, so you have to do a good job with the run game."
Translation: Load the box on 1st & 2nd down to stop the run, then pressure the QB to either take a sack, or throw an interception. (Josh is well aware of the Wis history) -- 38 TD's, 26 Int's, 49 Sacks
And so far in two 2023 games: A 1 Yd QB sneak for a rushing TD vs McNeese.
45 of 61, 73.8% for 526 Yds, 8.6 Ave, 2 TD's, 1 Int, 5 sacks
The Mertz completion % is being propped up by the dink & dunk junk, followed by good YAC vs McNeese. He's only completing about 1 of 3 on deep passes in my estimation, with an overall QBR of just 47.4 (32.7 vs UU)
But hey, the good news is that he's got 3-30 'Miller Time' returning from throwing shoulder rotator-cuff tendentious as the backup so they're saved if he's needed....
QB Comparison: Tenn's senior QB Joe Milton (429 passing yards, 4 TD's, 66.67%, Zero Int's, 12 runs for 40 Yd's, with 3 rushing TD's. Tennessee will be an accurate gauge of the Gator team's capabilities.
So, this long time fan is looking/hoping for a minor miracle on Saturday Night.....
(the D might need a couple of pick-6's with the ST's getting a score to get a win )
He isn't in Meyers position though. You won't see the big schools hiring him. I would say as a head coach he won't ever get an offer more than something like a mid-level ACC type team. My guess is the sour grapes may keep his ego from ever taking that though.
You don't even have to worry about the coach speak - every game starting last season all Tenn does is attack on defense. It causes a lot of havoc and blows up a lot of runs but leaves them vulnerable for the intermediate and longer passes if the QB gets rid of the ball right away or is able to scramble some and buy extra time. Teams with good O lines don't get hardly any pocket time with how Tenn plays defense. It could get crazy if Mertz isn't getting rid of the ball quickly.
He’ll have the chance to coach other big time programs. Look at how Sark and Lane came back from their complete disasters at USC.
Disagree with the recruiting tag - their fans would be all over them considering lazy Mullen. No big team will come calling after this season ends. Imagine an A@M etc considering him and how the fans and even big donors would react. They see Mullen like most UF fans do.
We’ll see. The guy has a pretty good track record. It ended up going bad for him at UF, but he’s not exactly unique in that regard. We all see how hard it is to find a good coach. Someone will give him a shot. He may need to go be a an OC first. That’s what Lane and Sark did.
Gator great Ratliff who was in charge of recruiting during the Mullen days very publicly stated that Dan rarely got involved with recruiting. Actually said it was a point of frustration as Nick, Kirby etc were at the forefront. Dan's recruiting classes were decently ranked on signing day, but generally fell apart before the season started and did not equal to their original ranking.
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In 9 seasons at MSU Dan only had 1 with a conference record above .500. Don't get me wrong, he did a good job but it was on the back of his outstanding play calling. Dan did not recruit particularly well at msu either. His first two seasons here were mostly Butter Tooths. Butter tooth was a weird dude but actually not a horrible recruiter. Lane is a lot like Dan. Great offensive play calling but when you look at his yearly records not overly impressive.
Mullen was a grave disappointment to us all. We pinned him as the one to bring us back to the glory years. He was on the right track until his laziness and arrogance cost him. And unfortunately our program. I don't think any big-time P5 schools will touch him considering his lack of recruiting prowess among other things. In comparison to Lane Kiffin and Steve Sarkisian, Mullen can't hold candle stick to any of those two. Sark is the best of the three obviously because he will hit the recruiting trail/transfer portal hard.
I think Mullen is the best coach of the three but obviously the worst recruiter by a mile. He’d have to have a coach O or someone like that to handle the recruiting.
Sark has really surprised me with what he’s got UT doing. That was a big time win. I think Lane is sloppy and it usually catches up with him about 4/5 years in, so I’m interested to see what Ole Miss does this year. I do respect that Lane always looks like he was hanging out on a beach 15 minutes ago.
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