I said college educated women. That was what the data showed.
You are right though, the democrats identity politics did not work. Trump made significant gains in non-college educated women, persons of color and especially with hispanics.
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You are right though, the democrats identity politics did not work. Trump made significant gains in non-college educated women, persons of color and especially with hispanics.
Of course they don't add up. Trump was leading on election night. Democrats (and some compromised GOP) are fighting tooth and nail to prevent election audits, both the mail in votes AND the voting software. A critical thinker would ask why that is.
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What data? I begged you to show it. Where is it?
My data shows your opinion is full of shit.
Do you really think throwing the country in the toilet was worth it to get rid of Mean Tweets?
Do you really think even 4 years of this shit is worth it just to get some guys you like in office?
You are why the republican party is trash.
for the third time, I gave you brooking data charts, not opinion. So if it does not come from your approved media source list, you ignore.
here is the financial times. Economic free traders. hardly socialists:
www.ft.com
now using your data, here is the Hill and Saagar who is a right wing populist
he using the tables you cited to make my exact point.
So calm down a bit, show discipline, quit demonizing and demeaning people and 45,000 votes return.
Pretty simple. You’re welcome.
here is the financial times. Economic free traders. hardly socialists:
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News, analysis and comment from the Financial Times, the worldʼs leading global business publication
now using your data, here is the Hill and Saagar who is a right wing populist
he using the tables you cited to make my exact point.
So calm down a bit, show discipline, quit demonizing and demeaning people and 45,000 votes return.
Pretty simple. You’re welcome.
Brookings is a liberal think tank.
If what you say really happened, everyone would be talking about it. Instead, all you can point to is liberals and liberal groups INTERPRETING the data.
Dude I get that you hate you some Trump, but I just showed you the actual data that shows that women increased their support for Trump. If what you claim is real, then that means non college-educated women supported Trump is such massive numbers that it rendered the college-educated women irrelevant.
Which undermines your entire claim that they cost Trump the election. I mean again I get you hate Trump, but at some point common sense and actually thinking through what you are claiming has to take hold.
Doesnt it?
Now. I will bet that among non-college educated white women, he killed it just as you said. Totally agreed.
said another way, do you think he did better with suburban, college educated women? Many of them voted trump in 2016, because Hillary was a deeply flawed and perceived to be disengenuous candidate. Biden, was safe and reassuring. Trump was reckless, arrogant and demeaning. For Suburban women, that matters - a lot.
on Trump, I don’t hate him, at all. I agreed with a lot of his policies. He does love this country, no question. Many got very frustrated with all of the unforced errors. He got arrrogant and sloppy. He said things that were just not presidential. Things DeSantis or Scott would never do.
put it together, and those small things turned off college educated women and he lost the presidency.
even worse, far worse, he lost the senate. In the runoffhis talking about 2,000 checks and saying that the voting system (run by Republicans in Georgia), was fraudulent, he basically dissuaded his base from even voting. He turned off moderates and they either voted D or did not even show up. Many centrists were certain that we would have divided government. That didn’t happen and now the main barrier to left leaning policies is Joe Manchin. Many unforced errors there.
yiu should watch the piece on the hill and the article in the financial times. It’s a good watch/read.
Again, listen to what you are saying.
You said would women that VOTED FOR HIM IN 2016, change their minds and NOT vote for him in 2020?
I guess the college-educated women that cared more about Trump's Mean Tweets than him actually keeping all the campaign promises that they voted for him would care.
Basically, you think college-educated women think as irrationally as you do.
Ok, you can think whatever you want. But when you make claims about how women voted, you better come with the numbers to prove it, else you are just letting your TDS run wild again.
Then why didn't Loeffler and Perdue back him? If they back Trump, both win in a landslide.
You say you don't hate Trump, but you keep telling on yourself with silly leaps of logic like this.
This is who you are:
Let's it's 1990, Florida needs to hire a head football coach. The AD says the top goal for the coach is winning SEC titles and NCs.
They hire Spurrier. They start winning SEC titles. Win a couple of NCs. Greatest time ever to be a Gator fan.
Then Tennessee hires Fulmer. A reporter asks Spurrier what he thinks of the hire.
Spurrier says "Meh, fvck that asshole!"
The media is stunned! The next week at Media Days, Spurrier's comment about Fulmer is brought up again, a reporter asks him if he wants to add anything to what he said. Spurrier says 'What? You mean like you want to know if I think he's a fat asshole? Ok fine, fvck that fat asshole!"
If you treated Spurrier the same way you treated Trump, you would have demanded that Florida fire him around 1993 or so for embarrassing the Florida name. Hell maybe you did.
Some of you people are just so short-sighted that you border on insanity. I remember when Bama hired Saban, there was a tiny portion of the fanbase that was outraged, said it was bullshit the way we had treated Mike Shula. Hell a couple of them still said we made a mistake AFTER Saban won his first NC in 2009.
Trump ended up accomplishing more for America than any president in our lifetimes, and had the highest approval rating in the history of the Republican party.
But you happily supported all that being thrown away, if Mean Tweets went with it.
I will never to my dying day understand what the hell you people were thinking.
I hear what you are saying, and the data says, “yes”.
Why is that?
They view CNN as a media outlet of record and not an organ of the Democratic Party. So when Trump says “s hole country”, “Muslim ban”, “illegals are murders and rapists”, CNN plasters that along with the MSM media, women start to wonder if they should vote for a perceived misognynst and rapist. When Trump tries to wish Covid away, say his musing on bleach and then say all will be well by Easter, when cases and deaths are rising, women forget that the corporate tax rate dropped to 20 percent and their or their husbands 401k went up by 200
More basis points.
For the tenth time, it just comes down to discipline for Trump. He could have just as effective and said none of the above. Pocahontas wasn’t his issue, that was poignant and funny. China Virus is provocative but accurate. Kung Flu gets him pointed as a racist. That’s a lack of discipline.
all good man. Remember, hoping for DeSantis and Scott in 2024.
Why is that?
They view CNN as a media outlet of record and not an organ of the Democratic Party. So when Trump says “s hole country”, “Muslim ban”, “illegals are murders and rapists”, CNN plasters that along with the MSM media, women start to wonder if they should vote for a perceived misognynst and rapist. When Trump tries to wish Covid away, say his musing on bleach and then say all will be well by Easter, when cases and deaths are rising, women forget that the corporate tax rate dropped to 20 percent and their or their husbands 401k went up by 200
More basis points.
For the tenth time, it just comes down to discipline for Trump. He could have just as effective and said none of the above. Pocahontas wasn’t his issue, that was poignant and funny. China Virus is provocative but accurate. Kung Flu gets him pointed as a racist. That’s a lack of discipline.
all good man. Remember, hoping for DeSantis and Scott in 2024.
Loved Spurrier. His jabs were hilarious.
now imagine Spurrier said, “I will never recruit in dade county, that shit hole county that has also illegals, murders and rapists.” Yes, he should not be the head coach or the Gators.
saying you can’t spell citrus bowl without “u-t” is comedic genius.
So you're ok with Spurrier being an asshole, just not Trump being an asshole.
LOL
Did you hire Spurrier to be a nice guy, or to win football games?
We hired Trump to fix America. I will never understand the Mean Tweets crowd. If we had listened to them, we would be currently enjoying the beginning of the 2nd Jeb Bush term.
And i honestly think you'd be very happy with that.
I am very ok with Spurrier and Trump being cocky. Spurrier never, to my knowledge, said "dumb stuff". When the comments become racist and misogynist, that is too far.
Listen, I get what you are saying on the "mean Tweets" stuff. It's funny and evokes images of Regina George. You are saying, "dude, don't put style over substance". It's ironic of course for someone like Trump who has driven a career off of "style", but I totally get it and agree.
There is a line between "mean tweets" and racism/misogyny that turns off voters whom are needed to carry the presidency and the senate. That is what I keep repeating here.
I will keep using the Pocahontas example. It's a Mean Tweet and very Spurrier-esque. It highlights the hypocrisy of the Elizabeth Warren. "S...t-hole countries" is a essentially racist and gives the MSM weeks of fodder that turns off people who are needed to win a national election, not Matt Gaetz's district in the panhandle.
Let's also hit your broader point on Jeb. It's a good one. Using your analogy, Jeb is like the McIlwain of presidents. Milquetoast. Zero swagger.
Ok, I think we drained the discussion here. I appreciate the back and forth. We may disagree on elements and individuals, but your goal is on improving the country.
fVck that! DeSantis for reelection in 2022 as Governor of Florida. I'm starting care less what is happening outside the state of Florida, although I do sympathize for the true conservatives who live in liberal sh!thole cities and states.
How is the term "sh*thole country" racist? Where is the misogyny in anything he said as president? No pub president is going to get a fair shake in the national media. So instead of hand wringing about message or optics, its time to fight back.
You are not fighting back but rather acquiescing to the narrative and saying be nice. That did not work for W, McCain or Romney.
W did not lie, he did not dodge the draft, Katrina was not mishandled, and Cheney was not Dr. Evil.
The McCain hit pieces were unprovable.
Romney paid his taxes and does not abuse animals.
Trump did not collude with Russia or bribe Ukraine. He is not a racist or a misogynist.
There was plenty of valid reasons not to like Romney or McCain. The false narratives of leftist media were not valid reasons and until we fight back we will continue to loose the "moderates" and "suburban" women.
Pubs could learn a lesson by emulating dems and their talking points. One message said by all. Booting Cheneys brat daughter may be a step in the right direction but pubs will need to show a unity never seen before in order to overcome the constant false narratives that you and others buy into.
Shithole countries was absolutely brilliant.
And completely straightfoward. Why are dems desperate to take poor people from shithole countries, but do NOT want to take people who WANT to come here who are HIGHLY SKILLED and WANT to be AMERICANS?
It's an insanely relevant question. But you missed it cause all your heard was 'shithole'. This is what missing the forrest for the trees looks like.
Do you remember when Trump televised his meeting with dems on illegal immigration? He sat there was his arms crossed listening to Feinstein tell him that the US absolutely MUST do something to address the immigration crisis, that it was the biggest problem facing America!
Trump sat there glaring at her with his arms crossed. Then said 'Ok fine, how fast can you put together a plan so we can review your ideas?"
Do you remember how the politicians in the room reacted? Mark Meadows' jaw literally hit the ground. Feinstein started giggling, looked at her dem colleagues and said 'Well, are you ready?????" The stunned republicans quickly started whispering in his ear that he was making a HUGE mistake.
A few days later, Feinstein presented her plan to fix the immigration crisis. Trump again televised the meeting.
He looked at the plan, and said 'What the hell is this???" and went through how the plan was nothing more than a list of goodies given to illegals already in the country.
Trump then, being the master politician he is, used this as a chance to ask the dems in the room why they always want to do everything for the illegals, but never want to take care of LEGAL Americans. He asked them why they always wanted to cater to illegals from shithole countries, but we have people from countries like Norway and Sweden who are highly skilled and begging to come here.
Why aren't we going after the best of the best? He asked the dems.
They had no answer. They called Trump racist for mentioning Norway. For mentioning shithole countries.
And short-sighted clowns like you bought it. You completely missed that the dems had just admitted on live national television that their immigration plan is all about having legal American citizens pay for illegals to come into the country.
But Trump reportedly said 'shithole' in private, and you blacked out and missed the real news.
I will never to my dying day understand what the hell the Mean Tweets crowd was thinking.
When you, as the President of the free world, categorize a whole country of African American people as a "shit hole" you are making a deeply denigrating comment about a race of people.
What I am saying is that Trump can be powerful, and profoundly provocative, but have message discipline.
As you drew the parallel to Spur-Dog (which I love), let me draw the closest parallel, one appropriate for a Gator board: elements of Trump is like Marco Wilson at the end of the LSU game.
You play your hearts out, are in a position to win, and then throw a dude's shoe after a great play.
Border wall, Tough on China, Tough on Immigration, Pulling troops out of endless wars, simplifying taxation, lowest unemployment for women and community of color, energy independence, etc. - great play.
S..thole country, injecting bleach comment, magically dissapear by Easter, etc. etc. and you just threw the shoe and lost the ballgame.
Should the shoe be a PI? Probably not, but those are the rules. Should Trump make those comments, he knows he shouldn't, but he can't help himself at points.
Again, discipline. You just don't throw the shoe.
Don't be that guy. Don't be BSC.
Trump suggesting injecting or ingesting bleach...... MSM fairytale
No, Trump didn’t tell Americans infected with the coronavirus to drink bleach | PolitiFact
Biden said Trump said drinking bleach could help fight the coronavirus. Trump did not specifically recommend ingesting disinfectants, but he did express interest in exploring whether disinfectants could be applied to the site of a coronavirus infection inside the body.
Shithole countries? Absolute truth! If you don't like the truth, CNN has a plethora of stuff for you.
Etc etc? You mean "mean tweets". 😂
Replacing Trump with Biden is like firing Saban and hiring Daryl Mudra.
Which country of African Americans? You mean blacks? Which country? He "lost" because the election was stolen. And spur-dog? You mean spurrier? I did not mention him or draw a parallel to him. You are addled and can not keep up with convos even when replying and having the text in front of you!
Madoff is a con man, trumps a con man, Joe is a rank and file politician. We disagree.
No, Trump Didn’t Win ‘The Largest Share Of Non-White Voters Of Any Republican In 60 Years’
While Trump did improve on his performance with minorities in 2020 vs. 2016, according to exit polls, the previous Republican president—George W. Bush—did significantly better in 2004.
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Lol at comparing spurrier to trump, they are nothing alike. Spurrier is as real as they come and a genuinely nice guy, trumps as amd as they get snd not even close to a nice guy. You won't convince the trumpettes that though.
African Americans...who are citizens of another country?
You're virtue signaling.
He shouldn't have called it a shithole country. But it is and was a shithole country.
My assistant's spread sheet is filling fast. That's two in less than 24 hours and I rarely pay you much attention. I'm sure there are more.
You might be the most ignorant poster on here. That is saying something. Politicians ARE Con men. Joe IS a Politician.
I believe you have your con artists backwards
They are politicians, they can't hold a candle ro trump or madoff you clown. Try to stop sniffing and use your head. Trump university, MAGA, New York lib has you eating out of his hand.
Speaking of sniffing....you still haven’t denied your affinity for being a cockholster. Your ignorance is amusing though.
And hell yes. MAGA. Best President in my lifetime. Only one who said what he meant, and did what he said. Biden is a cuck, with dementia that has been swindling America for almost 50 years.
Again, it’s probably best for you to go into timeout for a bit and shut your cockholster. Adults are conversing.
And you’re ignorance isn’t an excuse. You’re trying to be a con man, and everyone see’s it.
8 trillion in 4 years, you're either a raging fiscal lib or you're in love, there is no other option.
Sure there is...option 3, as stated....you’re a con artist. A bad one
