The fall of Saigon is happening again in real-time.
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Truman wasn't thinking about China when he made the decision regarding nukes, he was thinking about the Soviet Union. Setting the precedence of using nukes against a Soviet ally who didn't attack the United States means the Soviets can attack our allies who didn't attack Russia. Today we nuke China, tomorrow they nuke France (or the UK, West Germany, etc.). In fact, the Soviets would HAVE to nuke France, et al., because if they didn't do so then every country would think that only the Americans are willing to use nukes to defend their allies and nobody would join up with the Soviets.
MacArthur is a myopic general who can only see the battlefield right in front of him. Fortunately for us, though, it was a man who can see farther who was in charge.
Truman was absolutely considering the Soviet response.
However, I wasn't implying that Truman should have nuked China. Rather he didn't need to clarify to the Chinese, and the rest of the world, that he wouldn't.
Also, the inferred nuclear attack on China would not have taken place, even in theory, unless China did in fact attack American soldiers...as they later did.
The fear would have prevented China from massing troops and would have prevented an effective attack on NATO forces in what is now North Korea.
So, if China attacks NATO forces in Korea and the US responds by attacking massed formations of Chinese soldiers in Korea, that is not the same thing as the USSR attacking France or Britain when neither France or Britain had attacked Soviet Forces.
Yeah, equipped with US weapons that the US left behind in their fleeing in the night.
The cleared out the Embassy first. You know, the people who have to handle the paperwork to get everyone else out.
No planning. No leadership.
We should all be embarrassed.
edit: Actually not all of us. Just the 35MM people who actually voted for this clown show.
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Pants shitter in chief also lied about how big the ANA was…by a factor of 6.
I refuse to believe his intel was that far off.
@kalimgoodman are you watching?
These girls are less than 20 years old. This means they've never known what Taliban rule and extreme Sharia Law look like.
Most will be taken out of school by age 12 and "married" off to be raped for the rest of their lives after growing up in a relatively free society.
Again, no more from the left on human rights and women's rights.
Bring them here and tell your GOP friends how wrong they are for saying don't bring them here. You keep saying left but the left want them here. It's the right saying don't.
We should just bring the entire world to America. All other countries should be completely emptied and everyone brought to America. The entire planet should be living on US soil.
Correct. It's why his approval ratings are sinking faster than the titanic. He has been a disaster at everything he has touched. The economy, covid, the border, foreign policy.....just to name a few.
Bring back Trump STAT!!!
What a complete FOOL
Bombshell: Joe Biden Disbanded State Department Crisis Response Bureau Prior to Taliban Takeover
No they don't. Not unless they promise to vote for democrats the rest of their lives.
This administration showed us - when they catch Cuban refugees off the coast of Florida they ship them back to be tortured and killed.
When someone from Central America is tired of their living conditions they are welcomed in with open arms and shipped to red states to spread Covid....
The difference? The propensity to vote Democrat.
We've let in over 1MM through the southern border but we can't tolerate 27 migrants fleeing communism? The left is pure evil.
Nah. The left hates America so I just don’t have time for you.
The left wants America to be Venezuela. Do I hate em? No. Are they ignorant, You Betcha
You’re not far off on the Obama plan, not so much everyone on US soil, but the “American exceptionalism” be damned & knock us down to the “equality” of third world countries so the corporate elite, governmental elite puppet masters can tell you what you can have to live, like it or not. Don’t think the NWO or OWG isn’t a leftist dream, it’s not the liberals, the left are the problem, but liberals don’t realize the canceling & censoring will come to them as well, so I wouldn’t be routing for this administration to continue full steam ahead with snuffing the Liberty this country still provides!
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I'm on your side with not bringing them here but you hate the left. You have stated that 1000xs
You are trying to hard to fight something that is not true. This won't age well for you. I sent you links from people, even Trump is saying not to bring them here.
On this topic, you side with the left. Like i side with the right. Just accept it and move on.
Biden says 'no one's being killed' in Afghanistan, can't 'recall' advisers telling him to delay withdrawal
While there have been reports of deaths in Kabul, President Biden said Tuesday that "no one's being killed."
What a disgrace.
French and Brits Are Rescuing Their Citizens in Kabul, but Here's What Americans Were Hearing
So what else is new for the stuttering groper? More ice cream I guess.
CLOWN SHOW: Joe Biden Slurs Words, Stutters, Has Brain Freeze During Afghan Speech (VIDEO)
VP Harris making her Southeast Asia tour
Maybe a conservative, a real one, will dress down Pelosi and goad her to declare war. This would force Biden back in. We will need hundreds of thousands of troops . Or if any NATO citizens or troops were killed or injured then maybe Boris or one of the others can invoke the NATO act and force everyone back in.
And if we go back in it should be to stay until the "Islamic" republic becomes a secular democracy. We will know when their women are as trashy as ours and their men as equally emasculated. Then they will be safely neutered and no longer a threat to anyone.
And if we go back in it should be to stay until the "Islamic" republic becomes a secular democracy. We will know when their women are as trashy as ours and their men as equally emasculated. Then they will be safely neutered and no longer a threat to anyone.
Withdrawal is a mistake!
"...In an interview Sunday on CBS News' ''Face the Nation,'' Crocker said the withdrawal of U.S. forces from the country has emboldened violent Islamic radicals.
''It has created a global crisis, quite frankly,'' he said. ''It has emboldened violent Islamic radicals, and I think we're all going to see the fallout of that, certainly in Pakistan. They championed the Taliban because they felt they had no choice. Well, the Taliban victory, the narrative of defeating the great infidel empowers radicals in Pakistan that they're going to have to deal with if they can. And that's a country of 220 million people with nuclear weapons....'
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"...In an interview Sunday on CBS News' ''Face the Nation,'' Crocker said the withdrawal of U.S. forces from the country has emboldened violent Islamic radicals.
''It has created a global crisis, quite frankly,'' he said. ''It has emboldened violent Islamic radicals, and I think we're all going to see the fallout of that, certainly in Pakistan. They championed the Taliban because they felt they had no choice. Well, the Taliban victory, the narrative of defeating the great infidel empowers radicals in Pakistan that they're going to have to deal with if they can. And that's a country of 220 million people with nuclear weapons....'
Ex-Afghanistan Ambassador Crocker: 'The War Is Yet to Come'
Former U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan Ryan Crocker warned on Thursday that more violence is to come to the Taliban-controlled country. ...
"...I think he should be impeached," Graham told Newsmax earlier this week. "This is the most dishonorable thing a commander in chief has done, maybe, in modern times. Joe Biden, for political reasons, wanted to pull all of our troops out because of the polling numbers, and what has he done?''
Graham said on Fox News, "There's no way in hell we get all the American citizens out. We're going to leave thousands of Afghans who fought along our side behind. And we're setting the table for the rise of al-Qaida and ISIS to attack us down the road."
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Graham said on Fox News, "There's no way in hell we get all the American citizens out. We're going to leave thousands of Afghans who fought along our side behind. And we're setting the table for the rise of al-Qaida and ISIS to attack us down the road."
Sen. Graham to Biden: Retake Strategic Bagram Air Base
Following terrorist attacks that killed multiple U.S. personnel Thursday, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., demanded President Joe Biden order U.S. forces to retake Bagram Air Base. Graham said such action would help prevent U.S. citizens and Afghan allies from possibly being...
"...We have to make clear that we will not tolerate American leaders advocating for recognition of the Taliban.''
Of the current situation in Afghanistan, McMaster told Yahoo.com that he would advise President Biden to stop the troop withdrawl, extend the perimeter around the airport and create safe areas when Afghan civilians can be protected from the Taliban.
McMaster added that President Joe Biden's mistake is "there are no short-term solutions to long-term problems."
"This was not a foregone conclusion that Afghanistan would collapse, and he (Biden) placed the blame on Afghan government leaders and Afghan security forces," McMaster said...."
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Of the current situation in Afghanistan, McMaster told Yahoo.com that he would advise President Biden to stop the troop withdrawl, extend the perimeter around the airport and create safe areas when Afghan civilians can be protected from the Taliban.
McMaster added that President Joe Biden's mistake is "there are no short-term solutions to long-term problems."
"This was not a foregone conclusion that Afghanistan would collapse, and he (Biden) placed the blame on Afghan government leaders and Afghan security forces," McMaster said...."
Ex Trump Adviser McMaster: 'What We Saw Today Is Just the Beginning'
In the aftermath of Thursday's terrorist attacks in Kabul, former Trump administration national security adviser H.R. McMaster said it was time for President Joe Biden to ''reverse course'' on removing U.S. troops from Afghanistan. In an interview with Yahoo! News, McMaster...
"...A former Navy SEAL who served five deployments overseas, Crenshaw argued earlier this month, in The Wall Street Journal, that Biden’s withdrawal was a disastrous and dangerous move with short-term and long-term effects.
In the piece, Crenshaw also criticized the “no more endless wars” crowd.
“They prefer to live in a dream world rather than face the reality that our enemies are ideologically opposed to Western civilization and will gladly stage another 9/11 if they have the opportunity and means,” he wrote.
The Texas lawmaker argued, “There are many options between nation building and giving up, and we had found a good one in Afghanistan before President Biden abandoned it.”
There’s a difference “between wasteful nation building and a small residual force that conducts occasional counterterror operations,” Crenshaw said. When that isn’t understood, “many Americans hear that there is a single soldier on the ground in Afghanistan, they interpret it to mean ‘nation building’ and ‘world police.'”
“That’s wrong,” the Republican asserted. “There are a lot of foreign policy options between nation building and giving up. We found the proper balance in recent years—maintaining a small force that propped up the Afghan government while also giving us the capability to strike at Taliban and other terrorist networks as needed...”
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In the piece, Crenshaw also criticized the “no more endless wars” crowd.
“They prefer to live in a dream world rather than face the reality that our enemies are ideologically opposed to Western civilization and will gladly stage another 9/11 if they have the opportunity and means,” he wrote.
The Texas lawmaker argued, “There are many options between nation building and giving up, and we had found a good one in Afghanistan before President Biden abandoned it.”
There’s a difference “between wasteful nation building and a small residual force that conducts occasional counterterror operations,” Crenshaw said. When that isn’t understood, “many Americans hear that there is a single soldier on the ground in Afghanistan, they interpret it to mean ‘nation building’ and ‘world police.'”
“That’s wrong,” the Republican asserted. “There are a lot of foreign policy options between nation building and giving up. We found the proper balance in recent years—maintaining a small force that propped up the Afghan government while also giving us the capability to strike at Taliban and other terrorist networks as needed...”
Crenshaw: ‘Know For A Fact’ Biden Rejected Generals’ ‘Good Advice;’ ‘Reasonable’ To Ask Why They Didn’t Resign In Protest
Texas Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R) said Monday that he knows “for a fact” U.S. Military generals gave President Joe Biden good advice on the withdrawal efforts in Afghanistan that POTUS just did not take. It’s “reasonable,” the Republican noted, to now ask why those generals didn’t fight harder against...
