The fall of Saigon is happening again in real-time.
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We need to learn how to fight wars again, too many regulations. Truman did it right & he was a democrat back when they weren’t leftists!
Too many priorities that do not make us more lethal. Until we prioritize lethality in the DoD beyond technology we will be playing from behind in every conflict.
Neville Chamberlain Biden surrenders humiliating America. The bumbling fool didn’t call any of our nato allies. This is a disaster beyond anything America has ever seen
'We've Lost the War' — Former Reagan Official Slams 'Disingenuous' Biden
It’s just an embarrassment & whatever you want to call it, psychologically it is a loss & should have never went down the way it did.
The Biden Illusion Crumbles to Dust | National Review
President Joe Biden addressed the nation and confirmed all of the worst suspicions of his critics.www.nationalreview.com
I’m not disagreeing but enough is enough, if they want to chop each other’s heads off, let them. Why do we always have to get involved? All it does is cost us tax payers and what do we get out of it?
There was a withdrawal plan, Trump had one by phase & a cease fire agreement in order for it to be maintained. Biden has changed every good policy Trump had from the get go, politicizing everything, not for the good of the American people, everything is a mess now, in 7 months! If you look over all at any kind of security from defund the police to open borders to leaving in the middle of the night & leaving high value military equipment what the F dude, how do you defend any of it! You can’t, no one sane would even try, the guy is a political lifer arrogant jack@$$! He needs to be gone!
Since this is all an opinion, let’s just say I would bet he wouldn’t have left in the middle of the night & left everything of military value there. It’s also quite telling that Americans left behind after pulling all American military personnel that were pretty much the guarantee for security was a stupid move, since biden has been briefed that it was highly likely this would happen, though he said when asked it was highly unlikely. Face it, the guy is arrogant and as former defense secretary Robert Gates said that Joe Biden has “been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy” for his over 40 yr career. Regardless of any arguments of this or any other debacles this guy has done, whether support donor against, this will be his undoing, he’s done this doesn’t go away.
Pretty much spot on. Without air support & not getting paid, they didn’t have any will to fight. Also the fact that there’s no air support backup, or American presence, they know that threats of killing their families are more likely to happen.
Truman F'd it up in Korea. He put the gloves on our military which allowed for a massive Chinese counterattack.
Without Truman's hedge, no North Korea and no border on the 38th parallel.
Navy SEAL who killed Osama bin Laden rips Biden and Milley: 'POTUS is a disaster'
Biden sought to defend his administration, but offered mainly half-truths and straw man arguments in his White House remarks.
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Gen. Michael Flynn unleashes on Biden's Afghanistan failure * WorldNetDaily * by Michael Flynn, The Western Journal
'Even the Americans who voted for Biden-Harris will realize that this team operates through deception and deceit.'
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Obama CIA director: Taliban will provide safe haven for al-Qaida * WorldNetDaily * by Art Moore
some analysts say the U.S. military is in a worse position than before in ensuring that Afghanistan doesn't become a safe haven for al-Qaida
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I’m pretty much referencing the atomic bomb. Leave no doubt and 💩 stops. No easy decisions with this, but there’s a way to handle things & it’s to have a coherent plan.
The Taliban(as The Groper Joe says, Tolly Bon) is mocking our very own Groping Pedo President.
And I am sure all American journalists are running to them to find out what flavor they chose.
I figured as much but amazingly the fighting with one hand tied behind your back actually began towards the end of WWII.
Truman used the bomb and he was absolutely right in doing so...and saved untold lives in the process so I give him credit there. He didn't want to invade the Japanese home islands and, equally as important, it was a warning shot across Stalin's bow.
BUT he chickened out on using it on China and fired McArthur.
“If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed;
if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may
come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” -Churchill
'Rumors That The Taliban Have Taken Over Are Unfounded,' Says Jen Psaki Wearing Hijab
WASHINGTON, D.C.—Many are expressing concerns over how far the Taliban has managed to advance after Press Secretary Jen Psaki gave her latest press conference while wearing an Islamic Hijab.
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Biden Demands Whoever The President Is Take Full Responsibility For This Mess
WASHINGTON, D.C.—In a forceful press conference today, Biden called for whoever the President is to "clean up this mess."
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CNN Praises Taliban For Wearing Masks During Attack
KABUL—Approximately twelve minutes after U.S. troops withdrew from Afghanistan, Taliban fighters have completely taken over the entire country.
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Definitely have to show strength to even think diplomacy will work. If you don’t have the strength, diplomacy is just hot air. Most of the time deterrence is through power, those who fear the fact there will be actual consequences for bad behavior.
Agree but I think it's even more complex and in many ways worse than that.
First off, MacArthur should have shut up when ordered to do so. He was right, Truman was wrong...but chain of command matters.
OTOH, Truman didn't even have to use or authorize for use the atomic bomb in Korea (more accurately in China north of Korean border). All he needed to do was to get Mac to STFU and then STFU himself. The entire world believed that we were willing to use it. If Truman had not convinced China that we wouldn't, they never would have massed troops to counter-attack and that war ends on the Korean-Chinese border (actually 12 miles north of it).
Both men had huge ego's...to our detriment and China's benefit. It was a pissing contest that extended the war, killed American soldiers and left us with North Korea.
“...The incompetence of the Biden administration on this is really overwhelming,” Crenshaw said on “Fox & Friends” on Monday. “There need to be resignations, there need to be firings. They couldn't have done this in a worse way. We have American citizens left behind. We have people getting shot in Kabul airport at this moment. It's such a complete disaster.”
He added, “The Biden administration screwed this up beyond belief, but this was always going to be the case with any kind of withdrawal like this. It just blows my mind that this is where we've come to. I've been beating this drum for a long time trying to explain to people that you send people like me over there so that you fight them there instead of here.”
The Texas Republican went on to say that “There's a lot of intelligence that demonstrates that the people there do want to commit terrorist attacks here on the homeland. They always have. This is what they do. They hate Western civilization. They're ideologically opposed to us. And I know that makes people uncomfortable that that fight is required. But just because you bring the troops home doesn't mean they will...”
Dan Crenshaw on why we should not plan on leaving for generations.
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He added, “The Biden administration screwed this up beyond belief, but this was always going to be the case with any kind of withdrawal like this. It just blows my mind that this is where we've come to. I've been beating this drum for a long time trying to explain to people that you send people like me over there so that you fight them there instead of here.”
The Texas Republican went on to say that “There's a lot of intelligence that demonstrates that the people there do want to commit terrorist attacks here on the homeland. They always have. This is what they do. They hate Western civilization. They're ideologically opposed to us. And I know that makes people uncomfortable that that fight is required. But just because you bring the troops home doesn't mean they will...”
Dan Crenshaw on why we should not plan on leaving for generations.
Rep. Dan Crenshaw Demands 'Firings' Over Afghanistan
Rep. Dan Crenshaw, R-Texas, on Monday said that "there need to be firings" in President Joe Biden's administration as the Taliban moves to take control over Afghanistan....
Exactly what he says:
“...We never should have been there in the first place.” “They should defend themselves.” “We’re not an imperial force.” “Interventionists are wrong.” “This was always going to happen when we left.”
These views — and many others — are based on the false premise that we were facing a choice between withdrawing now and withdrawing later, built on the false assumption that the war in Afghanistan was wrong in the first place.
Whether made through ignorance, naivety, or cynicism, these views are incorrect.
First, the War in Afghanistan was a correct decision. In 2001, we were attacked by terrorists harbored and protected by the Taliban in Afghanistan. Regardless of whether you believe the subsequent military actions or strategies were effective or necessary, the initial decision to strike back was unquestionably valid following 9/11.
Second, the “leave now or leave later” proposition is a false binary. There is another choice being ignored: don’t withdraw. Instead, maintain a long-term specialized military force in any and all regions in which the undermining of terrorist activity protects U.S. civilians.
Finally, the very metrics of success are incorrectly understood by most when it comes to Afghanistan. To be fair, this is largely the fault of political leaders who presented the conflict as one with an “end-point” objective of achieving a nation-building installation of democracy in a part of the world in which democracy will never exist. Instead, the goal should be to prevent the radical ideology of parts of Afghanistan from landing on our front doorstep. If we can prevent evil from spreading while we’re there, and give the innocent victims of the Taliban regime a fighting chance to live in some semblance of peace, then all the better.
Right now, the only mainstream alternative being pushed is a belief that we can withdraw from Afghanistan and safely retreat behind our metaphorical borders, without facing any subsequent consequences.
Such belief is folly...."
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So yes DJT and ByeDone endless war is an option...the only good one.
“...We never should have been there in the first place.” “They should defend themselves.” “We’re not an imperial force.” “Interventionists are wrong.” “This was always going to happen when we left.”
These views — and many others — are based on the false premise that we were facing a choice between withdrawing now and withdrawing later, built on the false assumption that the war in Afghanistan was wrong in the first place.
Whether made through ignorance, naivety, or cynicism, these views are incorrect.
First, the War in Afghanistan was a correct decision. In 2001, we were attacked by terrorists harbored and protected by the Taliban in Afghanistan. Regardless of whether you believe the subsequent military actions or strategies were effective or necessary, the initial decision to strike back was unquestionably valid following 9/11.
Second, the “leave now or leave later” proposition is a false binary. There is another choice being ignored: don’t withdraw. Instead, maintain a long-term specialized military force in any and all regions in which the undermining of terrorist activity protects U.S. civilians.
Finally, the very metrics of success are incorrectly understood by most when it comes to Afghanistan. To be fair, this is largely the fault of political leaders who presented the conflict as one with an “end-point” objective of achieving a nation-building installation of democracy in a part of the world in which democracy will never exist. Instead, the goal should be to prevent the radical ideology of parts of Afghanistan from landing on our front doorstep. If we can prevent evil from spreading while we’re there, and give the innocent victims of the Taliban regime a fighting chance to live in some semblance of peace, then all the better.
Right now, the only mainstream alternative being pushed is a belief that we can withdraw from Afghanistan and safely retreat behind our metaphorical borders, without facing any subsequent consequences.
Such belief is folly...."
OPINION: No Matter The Timing, Withdrawing From Afghanistan Was Wrong
President Joe Biden’s withdrawal from Afghanistan has been an unmitigated disaster — a fact even the legacy media have accepted as the spotlight falls heavily on the Biden administration. With Biden emerging from hiding in Camp David and White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki taking the...
So yes DJT and ByeDone endless war is an option...the only good one.
Where do you stop then? Are we gonna start occupying Yemen? Libya? The French are drawing down in Mali, maybe we should head there too? What about Sudan? Iran? Pakistan? 9/11 was mostly committed by Saudis, should we beef up our presence there too?
it is inconsistent. Somebody in here said we still have forces in Germany and Japan 70 years later. Why would we completely withdraw from a country we hadn't been able to manage in 20 years. We should have left a large base open in every region, plus a garrison of troops in each base, plus active use of regional SOCCOM forces.
War is a huge money maker for politicans, always has been, always will be. They make money off starting wars, they make money off ending wars.
Occasionally we go to war because it serves our countries best interests.
Occasionally we go to war because it serves our countries best interests.
Professor Turguson: "While p*ssies like you, were back there partying, putting head bands on, doing drugs and listening to the &@d damn Beatles album, ugh! ugh!:
Thornton Melon: "Because Truman was too much of a p*ssy wimp to let MacArthur go back in there and blow out those commie bastards!"
you can’t make this shit up. Whoremala heading to Vietnam
Optics....is everyone mentally challenged in this administration? It's a real question.
WTF are you talking about? What part of cluster**** of an exit are you not grasping? Strategically withdrawing is widely accepted, the operational execution of the withdrawal has been the biggest blunder in 40 years. Catch up or quit trying to change the subject.
That’s been going on at every city they’ve taken. They are on a revenge tour. This version of the Taliban is worse and more barbaric than the ones we toppled twenty years ago. And now they’re better trained and equipped.
The 'kryptonite' in our Vietnam and Afghanistan losses * WorldNetDaily * by Lt. Col. James Zumwalt
James Zumwalt explains role extremist Islamism played in Taliban victory
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Did you mean to quote someone else? I was replying to the guy above me who's proposing "endless war" as the best option. I think I made it pretty clear in my previous post that it's the execution and not the decision to withdraw that was a failure.
To be fair I was confused as well. Now I understand what you were referring to.
