TCU National Champs.
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I love people who selectively choose stats. The Big 10 had the worst winning % of the power 5 conferences in OOC games during the regular season Why on earth do you think bowl games and results after the fact have merit when discussing the relative strength of each conference heading into the playoffs? Are you slow? And I love how a handful of bowl games disprove a seasons worth of games played, genius logic. Because all those losses they racked up during the regular season weren't played on the field apparently, they must have occurred in some alternate universe. But keep selectively choosing games. Your conference champ got housed at home by a 6-6 VT team that finished 4th in their own division. Using your logic, it just shows how poor your conference is. I love this game. Wanna keep going?
This is the first year in recent memory the Big 10 didn't have a losing bowl record. Let's not pretend one good bowl showing is a trend and means the B1G is suddenly worth a crap. Here's a trend: over the last five years the B1G has a .353 winning percentage against the Big 12, a .393 winning percentage against the PAC 12 and a .360 winning percentage against the SEC. You guys manage to have a .625 winning percentage against the ACC. Congrats.
Although I'm no fan of Baylor, let's also not pretend that Baylor didn't piss that game away. When you're up by 3 TDs against an inferior opponent and manage to lose, that's called pissing the game away. You managed to beat the Big 12 once this year out of four tries. Congrats, that win kept the B1G from going 0-fer in a season against Big 12 teams for the 2nd time in 5 years.
That same TCU team you mentioned blasted a Minnesota team that Ohio State only managed to beat by 7 while giving up 218 yards on the ground. TCU only gave up 99 yards to the Gophers and beat the crap out of them 30-7 while forcing five turnovers.
Remember when people who opposed the playoffs said they didn't like it because we wouldn't be able to argue about who the best was anymore?
All I'm trying to point out in my previous posts is that thhe BIG 10 did very well in the post season despite the tag here as a cream puff conference. I used the Indiana - Missouri reference to show anything can happen on any given day. Who do I feel is the best conference depth-wise ? Still the SEC and I'd be foolish to say otherwise. But, the gap is closing a little.
My point being, there are still people out there trying to minimize what OSU did - like the original poster in this thread. To say TCU would have beat OSU by 14, well........This is the same OSU team that was a big underdog to both Alabama and Oregon. Hell, they were even significant underdogs against both Michigan State and Wisconsin. We all now know the results of those games. The one team that really scared most OSU fans, of course, was Alabama and their oveall depth - especially their 8 to 9 man deep, NFL-type defensive front. Well, we all witnessed what the young (experience-wise) OSU offensive line did to the Tide defensive front to the tune of 280 something yards rushing ! That was the same offensive line that looked like a sieve earlier in the year against Virginia Tech. At the time, I also had big tiime doubts about the new QB afetr the Viginia Tech game, some red-shirt freshman named J.T. Barrett.
Do we have the overall depth of Alabama - NO. But we're getting there. And this is the one major area that IMO we have a major advantage over TCU. I'm not going to be foolish enough to say we would beat TCU like we did to the others. We'll never know. TCU had a heck of a team. But after seeing what OSU did to the high-flying - can score on anyone - Oregon offense, well, I like our chances.
But I'm going to repeat my question again. Why TCU and not Baylor when the selection committee made their selection. The 4 teams selected were all outright conference champions. Put yourself in the selection committee's place. All we heard on the BIG 12 boards was this Baylor/TCU thing. They couldn't select one - they were split. Yeah, after the bowl game results people are now swinging towards TCU. But Baylor BEAT TCU ON THE FIELD and were conference co-champs with an identical record. Even a lot of their fans are now admitting this being the problem. Go to their boards. The same damn thing will happpen again next year if they don't figure out a way to present their one champion to the commitee and it's their own stupid fault.
My point being, there are still people out there trying to minimize what OSU did - like the original poster in this thread. To say TCU would have beat OSU by 14, well........This is the same OSU team that was a big underdog to both Alabama and Oregon. Hell, they were even significant underdogs against both Michigan State and Wisconsin. We all now know the results of those games. The one team that really scared most OSU fans, of course, was Alabama and their oveall depth - especially their 8 to 9 man deep, NFL-type defensive front. Well, we all witnessed what the young (experience-wise) OSU offensive line did to the Tide defensive front to the tune of 280 something yards rushing ! That was the same offensive line that looked like a sieve earlier in the year against Virginia Tech. At the time, I also had big tiime doubts about the new QB afetr the Viginia Tech game, some red-shirt freshman named J.T. Barrett.
But I'm going to repeat my question again. Why TCU and not Baylor when the selection committee made their selection. The 4 teams selected were all outright conference champions. Put yourself in the selection committee's place. All we heard on the BIG 12 boards was this Baylor/TCU thing. They couldn't select one - they were split. Yeah, after the bowl game results people are now swinging towards TCU. But Baylor BEAT TCU ON THE FIELD and were conference co-champs with an identical record. Even a lot of their fans are now admitting this being the problem. Go to their boards. The same damn thing will happpen again next year if they don't figure out a way to present their one champion to the commitee and it's their own stupid fault.
Simple answer, it better fits the anti-Meyer argument, plain and simple. TCU had NOTHING other than blowouts of crap teams on its resume, nothing.
Yet our AD is willing to give his first born to try and re-create Saban's Bama in Gainesville????
There seem to be a lot of people outside UF circles that think McElwain is in the Saban/Harblow type level for program building. I am skeptical but surely see a lot of positive signs. This is so unlike when Meathead was hired and a number of us picked up that he was doomed for failure from his opening presser. Time will tell
Lol come in Mich, we have three guys on staff that have any relation to Saban (one of those only served as a GA back in 2007).
I hardly call that "trying to be Bama."
Hell, even Muschamp hasn't coached with Saban since 2005.
I hardly call that "trying to be Bama."
Hell, even Muschamp hasn't coached with Saban since 2005.
LOL@ Michi thinking people rightfully calling the Big 10 weak is Meyer hatred. This doesn't have anything to do with Ohio St., they won it on the field so whatever. But that doesn't suddenly dismiss the knocks on the conference PRE bowl game, they were the worst of the power 5 based on results on the field. It's inarguable.
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