Surprising Revelation with Callaway's situation.
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I won't jump to any conclusions until all the facts are out, but you are correct in why we would pick that person to oversee....
You tried to take an underhanded shot and got called out...now trot back to your winston circle jerk....
True, after several months of what looked like an attempted cover up...but your point is valid.
The University of Florida has now released a statement concerning its practices in appointing hearing officers for case reviews in student conduct code or conflict resolution hearings in light of the Antonio Callaway story that surfaced on Friday morning.
Callaway has been suspended from the university as it investigated an alleged conduct code violation, and an ESPN report on Friday shed light on the nature of the allegations. A woman alleged that Callaway sexually assaulted her along with former Florida player Treon Harris, who transferred from the program in July.
ESPN reported that Callaway's accuser, her parents and five witnesses would boycott a hearing in the case on Friday, alleging bias by UF in appointing a Gators booster to hear the case. Florida responded with the following statement.
The University of Florida is prohibited to comment on the existence or substance of student disciplinary matters under state and federal law.
However, I can tell you that our student conduct process may be handled by a hearing officer, who could be a university employee or an outside professional, or by a committee of faculty and students.
Any hearing officer and all committee members are trained and vetted for their impartiality. A hearing officer or committee member would not be disqualified or lack objectivity simply because he or she had been a student athlete decades earlier or purchases athletic tickets as more than 90,000 people do each year.
Callaway has been suspended from the university as it investigated an alleged conduct code violation, and an ESPN report on Friday shed light on the nature of the allegations. A woman alleged that Callaway sexually assaulted her along with former Florida player Treon Harris, who transferred from the program in July.
ESPN reported that Callaway's accuser, her parents and five witnesses would boycott a hearing in the case on Friday, alleging bias by UF in appointing a Gators booster to hear the case. Florida responded with the following statement.
The University of Florida is prohibited to comment on the existence or substance of student disciplinary matters under state and federal law.
However, I can tell you that our student conduct process may be handled by a hearing officer, who could be a university employee or an outside professional, or by a committee of faculty and students.
Any hearing officer and all committee members are trained and vetted for their impartiality. A hearing officer or committee member would not be disqualified or lack objectivity simply because he or she had been a student athlete decades earlier or purchases athletic tickets as more than 90,000 people do each year.
Her motivation is clear. Particularly given her choice of lawyers. From what I can see is that the differences with the FSU case are;
1.) UF undertook a prompt investigation
2.) She never went to the police
3.) UF (presumably) did a thorough investigation.
If all of the above are true, and the first two most certainly are true, then Florida should fight the thing. In fact, if I am Florida, I give into her concerns about the hearing officer. Call her bluff. Or better said, her lawyer's bluff.
FSU did not go to court because they would lose. I am not so sure Florida is not in a much better place.
1.) UF undertook a prompt investigation
2.) She never went to the police
3.) UF (presumably) did a thorough investigation.
If all of the above are true, and the first two most certainly are true, then Florida should fight the thing. In fact, if I am Florida, I give into her concerns about the hearing officer. Call her bluff. Or better said, her lawyer's bluff.
FSU did not go to court because they would lose. I am not so sure Florida is not in a much better place.
Number 2 doesn't matter. Not in Title 9 land. If one I isn't dotted or one T not crossed, UF will pay. That's how this works. Then you can say how the system is rigged and no one understands the rules, which is what I've been saying since I looked into this stuff.
Now you can get back to bashing FSU for stuff you think you know.
That is correct...if a woman was sexually assaulted that would be the place to report it to. Defiantly seems weird to bring it to the school...I don't know any facts but that's kind of a big red flag.
Almost the first 15 out of 20 post is an FSU fan circle jerk. lol
LOL. You're a rookie. UF is going to pay up. Schools can't fight these things. They're not going to try and fight an alleged victim of sexual assault.
LOL. You're a rookie. UF is going to pay up. Schools can't fight these things. They're not going to try and fight an alleged victim of sexual assault.[/QUOTE]
I think she (the accuser) would have had a better case if she and her attorney attended the hearing. It's not like they just found out today.
I think she (the accuser) would have had a better case if she and her attorney attended the hearing. It's not like they just found out today.
I think she (the accuser) would have had a better case if she and her attorney attended the hearing. It's not like they just found out today.[/QUOTE]
You obviously don't get how this works. This Title IX stuff is a gold mine for guys like Clune. Schools can't fight this stuff. Not saying it's right. I'm just saying it's the way it is. UF will end up writing a check to Clune and his new client. 100% guaranteed.
One thing is for certain, these players need to keep their peters in their pants and the Coaches needs to start thinking of maybe giving these players, mainly these single players, some peter pills, like the US military use to give...Let Mr. Peter see a "shrink" for awhile until he can control himself...
Nomsayin'?
Nomsayin'?
I think she (the accuser) would have had a better case if she and her attorney attended the hearing. It's not like they just found out today.[/QUOTE]
Err did you miss the part where her lawyer told the media that they boycotted the hearing because UF appointed a football booster as hearing officer? But I'm sure the booster will find the player innocent and that will satisfy everyone and the media will go away quietly after that.
You obviously don't get how this works. This Title IX stuff is a gold mine for guys like Clune. Schools can't fight this stuff. Not saying it's right. I'm just saying it's the way it is. UF will end up writing a check to Clune and his new client. 100% guaranteed.[/QUOTE]
We will see but I don't think UF will. I believe Clune already tried to get a pay out and UF said "no". Hence the reason why Clune put this out there to media outlets today to try and put some pressure on the school.
This is the problem with ad hoc procedures, which are all too common in Title IX hearings.
They created special rules for this case because treating it as they would a normal case was "unfair" to the accuser. So they got an arbitrator, but her lawyers don't like the arbitrator so they are boycotting.
The accused, on the other hand, doesn't have any power. If he or she thinks the arbitrator or rules are unfair, they have no recourse, they're screwed.
They created special rules for this case because treating it as they would a normal case was "unfair" to the accuser. So they got an arbitrator, but her lawyers don't like the arbitrator so they are boycotting.
The accused, on the other hand, doesn't have any power. If he or she thinks the arbitrator or rules are unfair, they have no recourse, they're screwed.
Such a non story. Who do you people think is usually apart of student conduct hearings? Students, faculty, admin, etc. In other words, people with deep ties to the school. If that's the case for EVERY student conduct hearing why the hell would it be any different for this one? Because potato? So what exactly are y'all bitching about? Appearances?
And I love how everyone assumes the guy will be biased without knowing his history. Has he mediated student conduct hearings in the past? If he has, what were his rulings? Not a single one of you know that but hey lets jump to conclusions because you read some puff piece by a lawyer trying to try a case publicly to get public sentiment on its side. Once the allegations came about UF suspended Calloway, he wasn't allowed on the campus for months at a time while they investigated, and UF also involved the police in this investigation to make sure nothing was missed. In other words...they did everything they were supposed to do. But NOW they're gonna eff that all up and do something improper? How dumb are some of y'all? You read it in a magazine it must be true.
Well, not EVERY student conduct hearing is run by a financial contributor to the football team. Even FSU was smart enough to find an independent hearing officer. And if it's a non-story, why is it running on ESPN? Putting a booster in charge of the hearing was dumb, period. No matter the outcome, the national media is going to say the hearing was cooked.
He is going to have to leave...right, wrong, or indifferent, no receiver is worth this kind of bad press. sadgator will be shocked if he ever appears in a gator uniform again.
You realize he's simply just the hearing officer? He'll have no say in the outcome, the committee of faculty, students and admin will decide that. So in reality people are up in arms about a certified arbitrator serving as a hearing officer where his entire job is literally to make sure proceedings go as scripted just because of where he went to school. It's completely idiotic.
ESPN is in the business of getting clicks. Just like the whole 'booster' thing they ran with as if this guy is some wild football fanatic contributing tens of thousands of dollars to UF when records show he's simply made the minimum payments required to secure season tickets. So basically there are untold amounts of boosters in Gainesville. Good luck finding someone in the city who couldn't fall under that definition. It was a shameless attempt to draw eyes to a headline. And here you all are eating it up.
You are completely tone deaf if you think that's going to be the national perception. Of course ESPN is in the business of getting clicks. That's why you don't hand them a headline like: Woman accusing UF receiver Antonio Callaway of sexual assault boycotts Title 9 hearing after school appoints booster as hearing officer. Which is what I just saw crawl across my screen.
I'm not tone deaf, I'm just not gonna allow a headline, which you admit is for the purpose of getting clicks, cause me to go all apeshit on the school when they've handled everything above reproach to this point. But to each his own. Headlines don't control my emotions that much and I frankly don't give a damn about perception. Not in my personal life and not with this either. Show me the facts.
Oozie has nailed it. This also is only a news story is because Clune is making a last ditch effort by going to the press. ESPN just didn't pick this up or anything. They were fed this story from Clune. Clune already tried to get money from UF and UF said "no". UF has crossed every T and dotter every I. Callaway has been suspended by UF since January and missed all of spring practices for an issue where the police were never even called by the accuser.
It's not a news story because Clune is making it one. It's a news story because people are interested in it. That's how news works. They put stories out there that they know are going to attract attention. Following fsu and Baylor, you have to know how this is going to look and you have to know that Clune is going to blow it up.
They may have crossed every I and dotted every t but the only takeaway is going to be the booster in charge of the hearing. There are probably 5000 attorney, judges, administrators that could have done the job without attracting the negative attention. It's a ton of bad press for no reason. Hence: stupid.
They may have crossed every I and dotted every t but the only takeaway is going to be the booster in charge of the hearing. There are probably 5000 attorney, judges, administrators that could have done the job without attracting the negative attention. It's a ton of bad press for no reason. Hence: stupid.
Sure it does. She is alleging a crime happened. She is further alleging that UF has not yet appointed an impartial adjudicator, given his ties to the university. (As an aside, one wonders if a UF trained judge would have to recuse himslef in a rape trial where the accused is a UF athlete? I would think not).
I agree the optics are terrible. And Florida probably capitulates on it. Especially if they call her bluff.
She is after money in an eventual civil trial. Which is fine. She has the FSU debacle as her guide. As does her lawyer. FSU had a pay a ton of money out for far more egregious behaviors.
Here is the interesting thing. The FSU CoC hearing found neither Kinsman or Winston credible. Yet even FSU ended settling a civil suit anyway for a record sum of money. One wonders if either actor in the UF CoC hearing will be found credible.
It was UF adminstrators that made the assignation. The AD officials are apparently very angry about it. I think UF capitulates on the matter. They should. The lawyers can correct if I am wrong, but doing so will, if a later civil suit is filed, bolster UF's standing
Here's the tough part. Calloway can't be vindicated now. If the Gator Booster finds Calloway innocent...you will hear folks cry "foul".
I don't know what anyone thinks they are going to "find out" in terms of facts to help with whether it was wise to select a Gator Booster to determine a football player's case. Whether the guy is or is not biased is something nobody will ever discern...unless they can read the guy's mind.
The arbitrator should have stepped aside when his potential bias was made an issue...fact he didn't is curious to me.
I don't know what anyone thinks they are going to "find out" in terms of facts to help with whether it was wise to select a Gator Booster to determine a football player's case. Whether the guy is or is not biased is something nobody will ever discern...unless they can read the guy's mind.
The arbitrator should have stepped aside when his potential bias was made an issue...fact he didn't is curious to me.
Right. This becomes a bigger story when the ruling comes down in Callaway's favor. Smartest thing, as far as damage control, would probably be to set a new hearing and agree to a hearing officer in the same way FSU did with Jameis.
I agree with you. My main issue with using the press and optics is that it's a one way street. If they'd picked an FSU booster and Callaway was genuinely concerned about fairness, he'd be SOL.
This is the absurdity in having colleges arbitrate a rape allegation, which is something I've maintained for a long time. Evidently no one does it right since there are hundred of schools that have run afoul of the Title 9 rules.
I have to say a lot of Gator fans were all in on John Clune and these kangaroo courts when FSU was in the crosshairs. Not so much now.
Except that would never happen. The universities run these hearings. They're not going to put an athlete in a revenue sport in that position. Why would they?
Why do you think they care about some freshman athlete? The fact that someone was a booster of your rival might not actually come up when hiring an arbitrator.
Your President is a real dude. He's a serious academic. I can assure you he doesn't actually care about your football team. Your Dean of Students is a woman who went to FSU. Why would she care about protecting a football player over the reputation of her office and the university?
I'd like to see a standard fair process outlined for these cases. Making it up as you go along isn't working. That's not a UF problem. It's a Title IX problem.
Darn, I'm back in Dodge City after all,,,,
I think I needed one more post before I can actually get all the way outta town...
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While I believe that in substance, this is pretty much a non-story, it does have some important points that need to be addressed more fully. Number One of those is this; "Never give in to terrorist tactics."
Jacksonville attorney Jake Schickel was hearing the case on Friday.
"Any hearing officer and all committee members are trained and vetted for their impartiality. A hearing officer or committee member would not be disqualified or lack objectivity simply because he or she had been a student athlete decades earlier or purchases athletic tickets as more than 90,000 people do each year."
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One crooked lawyer, sniveling about another crooked lawyer's objectivity, is pretty funny to me.
Of course her lawyer (Clune) is completely unbiased and only cares about justice, not his own exorbitant fees...
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Amy E. Osteryoung, a partner at Johnson's law firm, responded to Clune's protest by releasing a press release stating the attorney's actions were "inappropriate and an attempt at intimidation."
From all accounts, Schickel is a good, fair and honest litigator. PC or public 'Optics' is just more BS imo.
The FACTS of the case will be there for all to see, no matter who sits in the main hearing chair. IF the final ruling does not match up with the FACTS, then that will be obvious to everyone, and it's not necessarily the final word anyway. She can always try the 'Civil Suit' route to getting some unjustified money out of someone.
However, Clune made it clear (out of both sides of his forked tongue mouth), that he did not want to impugn (be held accountable for) the integrity of Schickel, (which is exactly what he was attempting to do with his sniveling drivel complaint).
Bowing to this type of 'Optics' BS is how a LYNCH MOB works.
Why, because this is just like making a deal with terrorists, it will only encourage a rash of false accusation as many others will attempt to cash-in on the easy money.
JUST SAY NO TO ANY BS DEALS!
~ Now I'm outta here unless and until something of true substance actually takes place.
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While I believe that in substance, this is pretty much a non-story, it does have some important points that need to be addressed more fully. Number One of those is this; "Never give in to terrorist tactics."
Jacksonville attorney Jake Schickel was hearing the case on Friday.
"Any hearing officer and all committee members are trained and vetted for their impartiality. A hearing officer or committee member would not be disqualified or lack objectivity simply because he or she had been a student athlete decades earlier or purchases athletic tickets as more than 90,000 people do each year."
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One crooked lawyer, sniveling about another crooked lawyer's objectivity, is pretty funny to me.
Of course her lawyer (Clune) is completely unbiased and only cares about justice, not his own exorbitant fees... -----------
Amy E. Osteryoung, a partner at Johnson's law firm, responded to Clune's protest by releasing a press release stating the attorney's actions were "inappropriate and an attempt at intimidation."
From all accounts, Schickel is a good, fair and honest litigator. PC or public 'Optics' is just more BS imo.
The FACTS of the case will be there for all to see, no matter who sits in the main hearing chair. IF the final ruling does not match up with the FACTS, then that will be obvious to everyone, and it's not necessarily the final word anyway. She can always try the 'Civil Suit' route to getting some unjustified money out of someone.
However, Clune made it clear (out of both sides of his forked tongue mouth), that he did not want to impugn (be held accountable for) the integrity of Schickel, (which is exactly what he was attempting to do with his sniveling drivel complaint).
Bowing to this type of 'Optics' BS is how a LYNCH MOB works.
Why, because this is just like making a deal with terrorists, it will only encourage a rash of false accusation as many others will attempt to cash-in on the easy money.
JUST SAY NO TO ANY BS DEALS!
~ Now I'm outta here unless and until something of true substance actually takes place.
I'm pretty sure for a case involving a high profile athlete, with the potential to generate national headlines, they're not picking names out of a hat. They know who they're choosing. If they don't, they should.
You don't think the president of UF cares about the $40 million a year generated by the football team?
And I don't think this current situation is particularly reflective of a lack of standard procedure. By all accounts, UF followed the standard procedures. They just made a dumb decision at the end of the process.
Bowing to this type of 'Optics' BS is how a LYNCH MOB works.
I'm pretty sure a LYNCH MOB works by grabbing a person or persons and lynching them.
I'm pretty sure a LYNCH MOB works by grabbing a person or persons and lynching them.
